WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:04.020 [Host] Hello everyone and welcome to today's Tech Talk with the Department of Homeland Security's (DHS) 2 00:00:04.020 --> 00:00:08.040 Science and Technology (S&T) Directorate. Today we are going to be talking about the lost 3 00:00:08.040 --> 00:00:12.050 person behavior suite of tools for search and rescue efforts. 4 00:00:12.050 --> 00:00:16.060 We're very fortunate today to have S&T's Dr. Angela Ervin and 5 00:00:16.060 --> 00:00:20.070 Mr. Robert Koester, from DBS productions, one of S&T's partners. Thank you both for being here. 6 00:00:20.070 --> 00:00:24.090 [Dr. Ervin and Robert] Thank you so much. [Host] So we are going to get things started, talk a little bit about the 7 00:00:24.090 --> 00:00:28.090 background, then we will answer audience questions. If you have a question, feel free to post it 8 00:00:28.090 --> 00:00:32.110 in the thread and we will get to it as we go through the video. 9 00:00:32.110 --> 00:00:36.120 So let's just start by talking about the background for this project. [Dr. Ervin] So as you know 10 00:00:36.120 --> 00:00:40.130 and many in the audience know. The focus of DHS 11 00:00:40.130 --> 00:00:44.150 S&T is to fund research and development projects 12 00:00:44.150 --> 00:00:48.160 that develop solutions for our components and our customers requirements 13 00:00:48.160 --> 00:00:52.170 and needs. So this particular project resides in the first responder group 14 00:00:52.170 --> 00:00:56.190 and in that group we focus on the first responders and tools they might 15 00:00:56.190 --> 00:01:00.200 use to, you know to make their operations more 16 00:01:00.200 --> 00:01:04.210 efficient or safer. So we know that 17 00:01:04.210 --> 00:01:08.210 on any given day in the United States (U.S.) there are thousands 18 00:01:08.210 --> 00:01:12.210 of missing people reports. 19 00:01:12.210 --> 00:01:16.220 Missing people cases and along with those then there's going to be 20 00:01:16.220 --> 00:01:20.220 searches. One search strategy cannot 21 00:01:20.220 --> 00:01:24.230 fit all. People are different. People have different mental, 22 00:01:24.230 --> 00:01:28.230 physical capabilities. People are different ages. 23 00:01:28.230 --> 00:01:32.240 Therefore the search strategies really have to be sort of tailored 24 00:01:32.240 --> 00:01:36.240 towards those categories. So in 25 00:01:36.240 --> 00:01:40.240 2013 DHS S&T posted a 26 00:01:40.240 --> 00:01:44.250 SBIR, which is a Small Business Innovative Research announcement 27 00:01:44.250 --> 00:01:48.250 asking thee, you know the private industry 28 00:01:48.250 --> 00:01:52.260 can you develop tools to help make search and rescue 29 00:01:52.260 --> 00:01:56.260 operations more efficient. More efficient search 30 00:01:56.260 --> 00:02:00.270 and rescue operations will decrease the time of the search 31 00:02:00.270 --> 00:02:04.270 and increase the likelihood of saving lives. So 32 00:02:04.270 --> 00:02:08.270 Mr. Koester was the recipient of 33 00:02:08.270 --> 00:02:12.280 the SBIR award in that year. [Host] Very nice and 34 00:02:12.280 --> 00:02:16.280 Robert can you tell us a little bit about this suite of tools, because it's not just one thing 35 00:02:16.280 --> 00:02:20.280 necessarily? It sounds like there's a lot of resources available to first responders through this. 36 00:02:20.280 --> 00:02:24.290 [Robert] The initial tool I developed, which I 37 00:02:24.290 --> 00:02:28.290 which I had a little bit before was the lost person behavior 38 00:02:28.290 --> 00:02:32.300 book and a lot of people refer to that as their bible 39 00:02:32.300 --> 00:02:36.300 or go to tool on most searches. 40 00:02:36.300 --> 00:02:40.310 The next thing I did was actually update 41 00:02:40.310 --> 00:02:44.310 the database that goes into the book. And then 42 00:02:44.310 --> 00:02:48.320 with the updated database, I wrote another book called, 43 00:02:48.320 --> 00:02:52.320 "Endangered, vulnerable, adults and children" that has the more up to date data. 44 00:02:52.320 --> 00:02:56.330 It also provides the first responders with more 45 00:02:56.330 --> 00:03:00.340 checklists to get through those initial stages of a search. 46 00:03:00.340 --> 00:03:04.340 Another tool that was developed 47 00:03:04.340 --> 00:03:08.340 for the person who wakes up at four o'clock in the morning and just wants a 48 00:03:08.340 --> 00:03:12.350 quick reference of what this subject is like 49 00:03:12.350 --> 00:03:16.350 okay I'm looking for a missing hunter. Just a few 50 00:03:16.350 --> 00:03:20.360 brief sentences of characteristics of missing hunters. 51 00:03:20.360 --> 00:03:24.370 How far are they usually found away? Where are some of the likely locations 52 00:03:24.370 --> 00:03:28.370 their actually found? A lot of people keep this right by the 53 00:03:28.370 --> 00:03:32.380 right by their bedside and then they can also flip it 54 00:03:32.380 --> 00:03:36.380 around. Here's the initial actions to get your search 55 00:03:36.380 --> 00:03:40.380 going. Then we have sort of three pieces 56 00:03:40.380 --> 00:03:44.390 of software that are available. 57 00:03:44.390 --> 00:03:48.390 One is an app for your smart phone that 58 00:03:48.390 --> 00:03:52.400 essentially has all of the contents of the book on your phone. 59 00:03:52.400 --> 00:03:56.400 [Host] Okay. [Robert] So most people don't walk around with a book all the time, but we all walk 60 00:03:56.400 --> 00:04:00.410 around with our smart phones all the time. 61 00:04:00.410 --> 00:04:04.410 Another one is once the search is done 62 00:04:04.410 --> 00:04:08.420 you want to collect, hopefully basic data on where the 63 00:04:08.420 --> 00:04:12.420 subject was found. How far away were they found? 64 00:04:12.420 --> 00:04:16.430 What did this last person do while they were lost? That's the data that goes into 65 00:04:16.430 --> 00:04:20.440 sar cat and sar cat is something that is freely available. 66 00:04:20.440 --> 00:04:24.440 And that then feeds back into the 67 00:04:24.440 --> 00:04:28.440 ISRI, International Search and Rescue Incident database 68 00:04:28.440 --> 00:04:32.450 that I then write to develop products. The kind of final product 69 00:04:32.450 --> 00:04:36.450 is going to be search management software 70 00:04:36.450 --> 00:04:40.460 [Host] Okay. [Robert] and that piece of software is called "find," and 71 00:04:40.460 --> 00:04:44.460 it integrates search mapping, incident management and 72 00:04:44.460 --> 00:04:48.470 search theory. [Host] So it sounds like it's nice 73 00:04:48.470 --> 00:04:52.470 to have this suite of tools, because not only does it help you at the beginning of a search when that time 74 00:04:52.470 --> 00:04:56.480 is really precious to, you know making sure that resources are allocated 75 00:04:56.480 --> 00:05:00.490 efficiently and right away. But there's also some 76 00:05:00.490 --> 00:05:04.490 resources for folks a you finish up this process. 77 00:05:04.490 --> 00:05:08.500 So that your information then can go on to help others and it sounds like this is constantly being 78 00:05:08.500 --> 00:05:12.500 updated so that as we gather more information this database being updated 79 00:05:12.500 --> 00:05:16.510 then can help other people who might find themselves in similar situations. 80 00:05:16.510 --> 00:05:20.510 [Dr. Ervin] Absolutely and I think something that Bob has 81 00:05:20.510 --> 00:05:24.520 really bought to the table is this expansion of this ISRI, 82 00:05:24.520 --> 00:05:28.520 this database that he is talking about. Setting guidelines 83 00:05:28.520 --> 00:05:32.530 as to what type of data should be input, changing it from an excel format to 84 00:05:32.530 --> 00:05:36.530 more of a relational database. These are important things that make it 85 00:05:36.530 --> 00:05:40.540 easier to use and he collects this data nationaly 86 00:05:40.540 --> 00:05:44.540 and internationally. So this isn't just a U.S. tool per se. 87 00:05:44.540 --> 00:05:48.550 This is very broad reaching. [Host] I want to dig a little bit more into that database. Can you tell us a little bit 88 00:05:48.550 --> 00:05:52.560 more about the database and why it's important to have that, especially from an international perspective? 89 00:05:52.560 --> 00:05:56.560 [Robert] Well the basic premise is of your trying to find a 90 00:05:56.560 --> 00:06:00.570 lost person, there is no way of knowing where that exact 91 00:06:00.570 --> 00:06:04.570 person is going to be, but what we wanna do is try 92 00:06:04.570 --> 00:06:08.580 to match the search to as similar as 93 00:06:08.580 --> 00:06:12.590 this person will be. So I have 41 different categories. 94 00:06:12.590 --> 00:06:16.590 Dementia, lost kids by different ages, 95 00:06:16.590 --> 00:06:20.600 hikers, hunters. So you have their activity, then you 96 00:06:20.600 --> 00:06:24.610 also have to match the terrain. If your conducting a search 97 00:06:24.610 --> 00:06:28.610 in Colorado it's going to be very different then if your conducting a search in Kentucky. 98 00:06:28.610 --> 00:06:32.620 Just because of the terrain and the 99 00:06:32.620 --> 00:06:36.630 vegetation. And then is it a mountainous search? Is it a flat search? 100 00:06:36.630 --> 00:06:40.630 Or are you doing a search n water and that divy's 101 00:06:40.630 --> 00:06:44.640 things up. Is it an urban search? Those need to be 102 00:06:44.640 --> 00:06:48.640 differentiated from wilderness and rural type searches. 103 00:06:48.640 --> 00:06:52.640 And once you start cutting by 41 subject types, 104 00:06:52.640 --> 00:06:56.660 four different types of eco regions, population densities, 105 00:06:56.660 --> 00:07:00.670 terrain. You're number of cases start getting smaller 106 00:07:00.670 --> 00:07:04.680 and smaller and smaller. So to have useful predictive 107 00:07:04.680 --> 00:07:08.690 data, the larger database the better. 108 00:07:08.690 --> 00:07:12.690 [Host] And we have some screenshots (maps) in our background that you can see sort of 109 00:07:12.690 --> 00:07:16.700 sort of what the tool looks like. And from what your describing so the app 110 00:07:16.700 --> 00:07:20.710 a responder can input all this information and really 111 00:07:20.710 --> 00:07:24.720 parse down into that guidance that says, okay here's our recommendation or here's 112 00:07:24.720 --> 00:07:28.730 the resources you should start gathering immediately. So this is really 113 00:07:28.730 --> 00:07:32.740 user focused about how easy it is to put those different scenarios in. 114 00:07:32.740 --> 00:07:36.740 [Robert] The whole idea was to go from the book 115 00:07:36.740 --> 00:07:40.750 which is just chocked full of tables and 116 00:07:40.750 --> 00:07:44.760 tables and numbers I like, but I know not everybody else 117 00:07:44.760 --> 00:07:48.770 likes that all you really have to do is say, this is 118 00:07:48.770 --> 00:07:52.780 where the subject was last seen. This is the type of subject. 119 00:07:52.780 --> 00:07:56.790 With the right mapping tools it already knows 120 00:07:56.790 --> 00:08:00.800 if it was mountainous or non-mountainous. So you don't potentially have to 121 00:08:00.800 --> 00:08:04.810 even input those things and then it immediately display 122 00:08:04.810 --> 00:08:08.820 in a map format, instead of just numbers 123 00:08:08.820 --> 00:08:12.830 of here's the most likely place, here's the less likely places. 124 00:08:12.830 --> 00:08:16.840 Well never be able to say and here is the subject that we 125 00:08:16.840 --> 00:08:20.850 call that a rescue instead of a search. [Host] Makes sense. What kind of 126 00:08:20.850 --> 00:08:24.860 input did you get from the first responder community as you were building this app or as you were translating the 127 00:08:24.860 --> 00:08:28.870 information from the book into something that someone in the field could use? 128 00:08:28.870 --> 00:08:32.880 [Robert] Fortunately, I respond to searchers, so I 129 00:08:32.880 --> 00:08:36.890 have no problem still relating to what searchers need 130 00:08:36.890 --> 00:08:40.900 and I've talked to hundreds of other people, cause you know I certainly need 131 00:08:40.900 --> 00:08:44.910 to go beyond my input. So certainly the easier 132 00:08:44.910 --> 00:08:48.920 it was to use the better. 133 00:08:48.920 --> 00:08:52.940 The goal was to develop tools that really need little to no 134 00:08:52.940 --> 00:08:56.950 training. [Host] Gotcha. [Dr. Ervin] And I can add to that, in that the group or the division 135 00:08:56.950 --> 00:09:00.960 I'm in, in the first responder group is called R-Tech 136 00:09:00.960 --> 00:09:04.970 and one of things we always do with our projects is something called operational 137 00:09:04.970 --> 00:09:08.990 field assessments. That's where we take these tools out into the field 138 00:09:08.990 --> 00:09:13.000 with volunteers and in this case search and rescue teams 139 00:09:13.000 --> 00:09:17.010 and have them use the tools and provide feedback. 140 00:09:17.010 --> 00:09:21.020 We do have a 100 second video, I believe on this. One of 141 00:09:21.020 --> 00:09:25.040 our search and rescue exercises that we performed with Oregon. 142 00:09:25.040 --> 00:09:29.040 So we do test out the tool with actual first responders. 143 00:09:29.040 --> 00:09:33.060 [Host] Absolutely. [Dr, Ervin] And get their feedback, it's very critical. [Robert] We've actually 144 00:09:33.060 --> 00:09:37.070 used the Find software on 145 00:09:37.070 --> 00:09:41.090 four simulations already and we have four more 146 00:09:41.090 --> 00:09:45.100 planned and that's where we get just absolutely 147 00:09:45.100 --> 00:09:49.110 fantastic feedback. [Host] So really getting continuous data. How this is being used? How we can 148 00:09:49.110 --> 00:09:53.130 keep improving it? You know, what else do you need? And thats a good reminder about the video. 149 00:09:53.130 --> 00:09:57.140 Folks you can check out more information about the lost person behavior suite of 150 00:09:57.140 --> 00:10:01.140 tools and actually watch the 100 second video if you go to our website. The link is at the bottom of your 151 00:10:01.140 --> 00:10:05.150 screen. (www.dhs.gov/science-and-technology/first-responders) (first.responders@hq.dhs.gov) And just a 152 00:10:05.150 --> 00:10:09.150 reminder if you have questions post them in the chat and we will get to the as you type them in. 153 00:10:09.150 --> 00:10:13.160 I wanna ask about how search and rescue 154 00:10:13.160 --> 00:10:17.160 operations currently happen? How this has maybe helped shaped some of those efforts? 155 00:10:17.160 --> 00:10:21.170 And how you might see it evolve over the next few years? 156 00:10:21.170 --> 00:10:25.170 So you know current state and what's possible with something like this? [Robert] Current state is 157 00:10:25.170 --> 00:10:29.180 a pretty wide spectrum. Ranging from 158 00:10:29.180 --> 00:10:33.180 I'm just gonna use my gut instinct and go look where I think 159 00:10:33.180 --> 00:10:37.190 I wanna look, to people who use more 160 00:10:37.190 --> 00:10:41.190 certainly use the book and use heuristics or rules of thumb. 161 00:10:41.190 --> 00:10:45.200 I like to call that reflex tasking and that's highly 162 00:10:45.200 --> 00:10:49.200 effective to once when those reflex taskings 163 00:10:49.200 --> 00:10:53.210 doesn't work, you can use formal search theory. 164 00:10:53.210 --> 00:10:57.210 Most people don't use it, because it does require 165 00:10:57.210 --> 00:11:01.220 math and input and if you don't have a computer 166 00:11:01.220 --> 00:11:05.220 so it hasn't been easy to use 167 00:11:05.220 --> 00:11:09.230 up to this point, but from lots of other studies we know 168 00:11:09.230 --> 00:11:13.230 when people implement search theory they are going to be more successful. [ Hos] Wow. 169 00:11:13.230 --> 00:11:17.240 So it's really having an impact and we know that it's informed by responders 170 00:11:17.240 --> 00:11:21.240 it's using technology that you know everyone is used to 171 00:11:21.240 --> 00:11:25.250 having a smart phone these days and inputting the data or 172 00:11:25.250 --> 00:11:29.250 imputing what they want. So in that sense it's really making something that's user focused that's easy. 173 00:11:29.250 --> 00:11:33.260 Again, making sure that we have that timely information so they can make 174 00:11:33.260 --> 00:11:37.260 important decisions as soon as possible. [Dr. Ervin] And 175 00:11:37.260 --> 00:11:41.260 I think that something that is very clever in this software is 176 00:11:41.260 --> 00:11:45.270 that there is a lot of math yes going on behind the scenes, 177 00:11:45.270 --> 00:11:49.270 but you don't need to concern yourself with that. [Host] Right. [Dr. Ervin] Right. 178 00:11:49.270 --> 00:11:53.270 There's a PSR or a probability of success rate. (said in unison by both Dr. Ervin and Robert) 179 00:11:53.270 --> 00:11:57.280 And it's a number and the 180 00:11:57.280 --> 00:12:01.280 larger the number, the higher of the probability of finding the person. 181 00:12:01.280 --> 00:12:05.290 It's that finding the person, it's that simple. So you don't have to worry about that 182 00:12:05.290 --> 00:12:09.300 magic math behind the scenes. So it's very user friendly. [Host] We're hiding that behind the 183 00:12:09.300 --> 00:12:13.310 curtain. [Dr. Evin] We're hiding that behind the curtain for sure. [Host] Excellent. We have a couple of questions. 184 00:12:13.310 --> 00:12:17.320 What is the name of the app and is it on IOS or android? 185 00:12:17.320 --> 00:12:21.320 [Robert] The name of the app is "Lost person behavior" 186 00:12:21.320 --> 00:12:25.330 and it is on both IOS, android and you can also get it 187 00:12:25.330 --> 00:12:29.340 from a blackberry store as well. [Host] Oh okay and it's free to use or 188 00:12:29.340 --> 00:12:33.340 do you have to verify. [Robert] No, it's $10 to download but 189 00:12:33.340 --> 00:12:37.350 then there's no updates. The app itself 190 00:12:37.350 --> 00:12:41.350 we push out new data to, but once you've purchased it 191 00:12:41.350 --> 00:12:45.360 you've purchased it. [Host] And then is the app applicable 192 00:12:45.360 --> 00:12:49.360 in Canada as well as the U.S.? [Robert] So the app itself 193 00:12:49.360 --> 00:12:53.370 probably about 25% of my book sales 194 00:12:53.370 --> 00:12:57.370 go to Canada. So certainly Canadian resources have 195 00:12:57.370 --> 00:13:01.380 found that the information be highly useful. 196 00:13:01.380 --> 00:13:05.380 The lost person behavior app can certainly be 197 00:13:05.380 --> 00:13:09.390 downloaded and people are doing that all the time. 198 00:13:09.390 --> 00:13:13.400 The "find" software has to have some 199 00:13:13.400 --> 00:13:17.400 geographic information data behind it 200 00:13:17.400 --> 00:13:21.410 so maps of the U.S. and where all the roads are 201 00:13:21.410 --> 00:13:25.410 in the U.S. and where all the power lines and trails are 202 00:13:25.410 --> 00:13:29.420 in the U.S.. So we are going to be rolling out the find 203 00:13:29.420 --> 00:13:33.430 software for the U.S. first and then in the future 204 00:13:33.430 --> 00:13:37.440 I'm hoping to be able to get all that underlying 205 00:13:37.440 --> 00:13:41.450 data for Canada as well. [Host] So theres more capabilities 206 00:13:41.450 --> 00:13:45.450 coming as this technology is tried and tested in the U.S. 207 00:13:45.450 --> 00:13:49.460 and then hopefully expand it out so our international 208 00:13:49.460 --> 00:13:53.470 partners can use it as well. Let's talk a little bit more about 209 00:13:53.470 --> 00:13:57.470 each tool. So the initial wheel which we saw is a nice handy 210 00:13:57.470 --> 00:14:01.480 resource for folks to have on hand. Then we have the lost person behavior app. 211 00:14:01.480 --> 00:14:05.490 We have find and we have sarcat that you mentioned earlier. Can you tell me a little more about sarcat? 212 00:14:05.490 --> 00:14:09.500 [Robert] Sure, sarcat I mean I like to take sarcat 213 00:14:09.500 --> 00:14:13.500 collects the data that goes into the database. 214 00:14:13.500 --> 00:14:17.510 Sarcat is a free program 215 00:14:17.510 --> 00:14:21.520 that agencies can download to their own 216 00:14:21.520 --> 00:14:25.530 server so they are in charge of their own data 217 00:14:25.530 --> 00:14:29.540 and then it collects it in sort of a systematic format 218 00:14:29.540 --> 00:14:33.550 that the user gets to decide, do I want 219 00:14:33.550 --> 00:14:37.560 to make people give me 25 questions or do I want to do 220 00:14:37.560 --> 00:14:41.570 the full 78 questions to 221 00:14:41.570 --> 00:14:45.580 the format and then they collect their own data. 222 00:14:45.580 --> 00:14:49.590 They can generate their own reports. They can see their 223 00:14:49.590 --> 00:14:53.590 own statistics. Then at the end of the year they can create a 224 00:14:53.590 --> 00:14:57.600 file that they can export and I can import into the ISRI database. 225 00:14:57.600 --> 00:15:01.610 And instead of me usually spending a week cleaning up 226 00:15:01.610 --> 00:15:05.620 the data and making sure theres no errors in the data 227 00:15:05.620 --> 00:15:09.630 if it's coming in through sarcat I can get into the database 228 00:15:09.630 --> 00:15:13.640 usually in like 20 minutes just spot checking and making sure that everythings okay. 229 00:15:13.640 --> 00:15:17.650 So then making sure that information then goes onto the larger databases actually clean 230 00:15:17.650 --> 00:15:21.660 and is ready to go. A couple of more questions from Facebook. 231 00:15:21.660 --> 00:15:25.670 Is there a maritime element to the tool? [Robert] Right 232 00:15:25.670 --> 00:15:29.680 now since there is maritime software already out 233 00:15:29.680 --> 00:15:33.690 there, I'm not really developing a maritime 234 00:15:33.690 --> 00:15:37.710 element other than if you have a riverine environment. 235 00:15:37.710 --> 00:15:41.710 You're search is just in a river, that's built 236 00:15:41.710 --> 00:15:45.730 into it. So far as open ocean, no. [Host] Got it. 237 00:15:45.730 --> 00:15:49.730 Okay. Will the find software mapping for the U.S. include Alaska? 238 00:15:49.730 --> 00:15:53.750 [Robert] It will. Because all of those 239 00:15:53.750 --> 00:15:57.760 GIS layers are available. [Host] Yay. 240 00:15:57.760 --> 00:16:01.770 [Robert] And yeah, Alaska is a part of the U.S.. (Host chuckles) 241 00:16:01.770 --> 00:16:05.780 [Host] Alright and when will "Find" be available? 242 00:16:05.780 --> 00:16:09.790 [Robert] Looking for a limited commercial rollout 243 00:16:09.790 --> 00:16:13.800 2-4 months from now. Which probably means 244 00:16:13.800 --> 00:16:17.810 4-8 months in reality, (Chuckles) but my target is 245 00:16:17.810 --> 00:16:21.820 2-4 months to have a limited commercial rollout. 246 00:16:21.820 --> 00:16:25.840 And then we will be able to add additional 247 00:16:25.840 --> 00:16:29.850 states at pretty much anytime the demand is there. [Host] So stay tuned for more information 248 00:16:29.850 --> 00:16:33.860 about that. We will be absolutely sure to tell you when that's available. Does the tool 249 00:16:33.860 --> 00:16:37.880 address the use of drones? [Robert] Actually it does. 250 00:16:37.880 --> 00:16:41.890 I received supplemental funding from the Virginia Center 251 00:16:41.890 --> 00:16:45.900 for Innovative Technology to actually do, I call them 252 00:16:45.900 --> 00:16:49.910 UAV's, but drone is fine. Research 253 00:16:49.910 --> 00:16:53.920 to get the science part 254 00:16:53.920 --> 00:16:57.930 of the drone and once we have the science part of a drone 255 00:16:57.930 --> 00:17:01.950 down then you input your 256 00:17:01.950 --> 00:17:05.960 above ground level, how high your flying the thing. What type of sensors 257 00:17:05.960 --> 00:17:09.970 you've actually put on it. Whether its a electro optical 258 00:17:09.970 --> 00:17:13.980 fancy word for just a normal camera or if your flying it with 259 00:17:13.980 --> 00:17:17.980 infra-red or IR. Then what's the sensor like? 260 00:17:17.980 --> 00:17:21.990 What's the camera tilt like? What speed are you actually 261 00:17:21.990 --> 00:17:26.990 flying it at? How much flight time you have? 262 00:17:30.000 --> 00:17:34.000 completed it's mission. Obviously if it's made the flight, nobody cares about search 263 00:17:34.000 --> 00:17:38.010 theory. But if it hasn't made the 264 00:17:38.010 --> 00:17:42.010 find, then what was it's probability of actually having 265 00:17:42.010 --> 00:17:46.020 detected the person and where should it go next? 266 00:17:46.020 --> 00:17:50.030 So we're working on that. [Host] Yeah, I'm interested with all these 267 00:17:50.030 --> 00:17:54.030 data inputs that you an have. What is sort of the minimum amount that people need to put 268 00:17:54.030 --> 00:17:58.030 in, in order to be able to use the app? [Robert] To use the 269 00:17:58.030 --> 00:18:02.040 app you need to know the subject category. So are you looking for somebody with dementia? 270 00:18:02.040 --> 00:18:06.040 Are you looking for a hiker, hunter, child? If it's a child 271 00:18:06.040 --> 00:18:10.050 put in the age and you have to know 272 00:18:10.050 --> 00:18:14.050 where your search is starting. So we call that the initial planning point 273 00:18:14.050 --> 00:18:18.060 which is accomplished by taking a pin. You drop the pin 274 00:18:18.060 --> 00:18:22.060 on the map. Not a physical pin, but you gotta move your 275 00:18:22.060 --> 00:18:26.070 mouse and you put that on the map and 276 00:18:26.070 --> 00:18:30.070 that's it. Oh if you have a direction of travel 277 00:18:30.070 --> 00:18:34.080 you would have to input the direction of travel. 278 00:18:34.080 --> 00:18:38.080 [Host] That's good, so just some basic info. [Robert] And then the model is automatically 279 00:18:38.080 --> 00:18:42.080 generate the potential search areas are automatically 280 00:18:42.080 --> 00:18:46.080 generated. Then it's up to the user to decide where 281 00:18:46.080 --> 00:18:50.090 they are going to send their resources. [Host] Hmm, okay. A few more questions from Facebook. 282 00:18:50.090 --> 00:18:54.090 Is it possible to get a extract of the ISRA database 283 00:18:54.090 --> 00:18:58.090 for Washington state for example? [Robert] It is. 284 00:18:58.090 --> 00:19:02.100 That's not apart of of my contract but it is something I 285 00:19:02.100 --> 00:19:06.100 do in my free time. But yes 286 00:19:06.100 --> 00:19:10.100 I'm actually working with several academics, 287 00:19:10.100 --> 00:19:14.110 several PHD students that are 288 00:19:14.110 --> 00:19:18.110 using it as part of their project. 289 00:19:18.110 --> 00:19:22.120 But I kind of squeeze it in my free time. 290 00:19:22.120 --> 00:19:26.120 [Host] Got it. Do you know if the app is being used internationally? 291 00:19:26.120 --> 00:19:30.120 [Robert] The "Lost person behavior app" has been downloaded 292 00:19:30.120 --> 00:19:34.130 to something like 20 countries or so. 293 00:19:34.130 --> 00:19:38.130 [Host] Wow, what's the feedback like coming from international users? 294 00:19:38.130 --> 00:19:42.140 [Robert] It's there sort of go to, check it 295 00:19:42.140 --> 00:19:46.140 for every search. Cause it gives you, its a really quick what I call 296 00:19:46.140 --> 00:19:50.140 a tactical briefing. So for team leaders going out into field 297 00:19:50.140 --> 00:19:54.150 here's something just real quick everyone should know on your team. 298 00:19:54.150 --> 00:19:58.150 So you know if your looking for somebody with dementia, hey people with dementia like to 299 00:19:58.150 --> 00:20:02.160 go in thick brush or briars. So don't say nobody would go in there because 300 00:20:02.160 --> 00:20:06.160 it's too thick. So that becomes an important place to 301 00:20:06.160 --> 00:20:10.170 look. Then it has all of the statistics and the behavioral 302 00:20:10.170 --> 00:20:14.170 questions and then there's investigative questions and then finally 303 00:20:14.170 --> 00:20:18.180 initial reflex tasks. These are the things that you should do at the beginning of 304 00:20:18.180 --> 00:20:22.180 a search. So it's just kind of is a nice checklist. [Host] Yeah. 305 00:20:22.180 --> 00:20:26.190 Excellent. Is this on block chain? 306 00:20:26.190 --> 00:20:30.190 [Robert] I don't know what a block chain is. 307 00:20:30.190 --> 00:20:34.190 [Host] Okay, so we will get back to you on that one. We will come back to that (Laughter) 308 00:20:34.190 --> 00:20:38.200 maybe after the video. Is there an API that would allow 309 00:20:38.200 --> 00:20:42.200 integration of these great resources with other search and rescue deployment tools? 310 00:20:42.200 --> 00:20:46.210 Not right now. It wasn't apart of the initial contract. 311 00:20:46.210 --> 00:20:50.210 However, it's kinda on my 312 00:20:50.210 --> 00:20:54.220 1-3 build out plan 313 00:20:54.220 --> 00:20:58.220 of a feature. I certainly want it to be able to export 314 00:20:58.220 --> 00:21:02.230 say to ISRI's tools. 315 00:21:02.230 --> 00:21:06.230 Other asked could I export 316 00:21:06.230 --> 00:21:10.230 to D4H. So there's a lot of other commercial 317 00:21:10.230 --> 00:21:14.230 products I'm considering for the API. 318 00:21:14.230 --> 00:21:18.240 [Host] Okay. Alright. So we'll come back to that in maybe a few years. 319 00:21:18.240 --> 00:21:22.240 Let's see. 320 00:21:22.240 --> 00:21:26.250 Okay let's answer a few more from Facebook. 321 00:21:26.250 --> 00:21:30.260 As an LKP or PLS 322 00:21:30.260 --> 00:21:34.260 is established after the IPP was entered 323 00:21:34.260 --> 00:21:38.270 is there a way to shift the start point or do you have to start over with the mission input? 324 00:21:38.270 --> 00:21:42.270 [Robert] For people who are not familiar with all that stuff 325 00:21:42.270 --> 00:21:46.280 (laughter) I'll go ahead and explain. So Typically you start 326 00:21:46.280 --> 00:21:50.280 with an initial planning point or IPP. IPP's 327 00:21:50.280 --> 00:21:54.280 can actually come in two flavors. One flavor is 328 00:21:54.280 --> 00:21:58.290 a last known position. So last known position 329 00:21:58.290 --> 00:22:02.290 well actually we will start with a PLS, place last seen. 330 00:22:02.290 --> 00:22:06.300 So the place last seen might be the residence as the 331 00:22:06.300 --> 00:22:10.310 spouse saw the person leave in the vehicle. Probably not a good place to actually 332 00:22:10.310 --> 00:22:14.310 start a search from. Once you find the vehicle 333 00:22:14.310 --> 00:22:18.320 and the subjects not in the vehicle, you can say well this 334 00:22:18.320 --> 00:22:22.320 vehicle is a known point. So in this case the vehicle 335 00:22:22.320 --> 00:22:26.330 parked at the trail head is going to our LKP 336 00:22:26.330 --> 00:22:30.330 and that's what we are going to use as our initial planning point or IPP. 337 00:22:30.330 --> 00:22:34.340 Now you send and that's what you would mark into Find. [Host] Right. 338 00:22:34.340 --> 00:22:38.350 [Robert] Because that's where the search has started. You send a team 339 00:22:38.350 --> 00:22:42.350 down the trail and two miles down the trail is a trail register. 340 00:22:42.350 --> 00:22:46.360 And you can see the subject has actually signed into the 341 00:22:46.360 --> 00:22:50.360 trail register, so that's a pretty good chance they were 342 00:22:50.360 --> 00:22:54.370 actually there. So you can drop a new 343 00:22:54.370 --> 00:22:58.370 pin onto that trail 344 00:22:58.370 --> 00:23:02.370 register and we would call that a revised LKP 345 00:23:02.370 --> 00:23:06.380 and the software will automatically, without 346 00:23:06.380 --> 00:23:10.390 changing your mission or anything, your software will automatically change 347 00:23:10.390 --> 00:23:14.390 the probability of area. Cause now we have a direction of 348 00:23:14.390 --> 00:23:18.400 travel and the circles will move from here to over there. 349 00:23:18.400 --> 00:23:22.400 So basically the short answer is, yes it can 350 00:23:22.400 --> 00:23:26.410 do that without having to start a new search over. 351 00:23:26.410 --> 00:23:30.420 [Host] You don't have to reenter all that information, you can just keep updating the same 352 00:23:30.420 --> 00:23:34.420 search. Excellent. Can you explain in 353 00:23:34.420 --> 00:23:38.430 layman's terms how the tech automatically generates? 354 00:23:38.430 --> 00:23:42.440 Specifically how it changes in remote areas? 355 00:23:42.440 --> 00:23:46.440 [Robert] How the tech automatically generates where the subject is most likely 356 00:23:46.440 --> 00:23:50.450 loacted? I'm going to interpret it 357 00:23:50.450 --> 00:23:54.450 that way. [Host] Sure. [Robert] So once you know where the subject was last 358 00:23:54.450 --> 00:23:58.460 seen our initial planning point and the type of subject it is, 359 00:23:58.460 --> 00:24:02.460 I have eight different models 360 00:24:02.460 --> 00:24:06.470 that kind of explain. One is a ring model, hey most people 361 00:24:06.470 --> 00:24:10.480 are say 50% of the people are found one mile away. 362 00:24:10.480 --> 00:24:14.480 75% are found two miles away. 363 00:24:14.480 --> 00:24:18.490 So basic rates. If we have a direction of travel 364 00:24:18.490 --> 00:24:22.500 most people are going to be found within that direction of travel. 365 00:24:22.500 --> 00:24:26.510 We have the probability of them going up or them going 366 00:24:26.510 --> 00:24:30.510 down. We have, if there is a linear feature 367 00:24:30.510 --> 00:24:34.520 say a road, a trail or drainage we have stats of how close 368 00:24:34.520 --> 00:24:38.530 to those linear features are they actually found. [Host] Wow. 369 00:24:38.530 --> 00:24:42.530 [Robert] We have other stats. What's the chance of them being found in a residence? What's the chance of them 370 00:24:42.530 --> 00:24:46.540 being found in the woods? What's the chance of being found 371 00:24:46.540 --> 00:24:50.550 on a road? So that would be a fine location model. 372 00:24:50.550 --> 00:24:54.550 We have a point model, so what's the chance of being found 100 meters 373 00:24:54.550 --> 00:24:58.560 from where they were last seen and if they said they were 374 00:24:58.560 --> 00:25:02.570 going over here to their destination. What's the chance of being found within 375 00:25:02.570 --> 00:25:06.580 100 meters. 100 meters, a 100 yards their kind of the same 376 00:25:06.580 --> 00:25:10.580 things for people who don't like metrics at least in Sar. 377 00:25:10.580 --> 00:25:14.590 It's close enough. 100 yards of their destination 378 00:25:14.590 --> 00:25:18.600 the chance of being found in the same water shed or 379 00:25:18.600 --> 00:25:22.610 moving to and then we just take all of these various GIS 380 00:25:22.610 --> 00:25:26.620 layers and we combine them all. Because a computer can combine them all 381 00:25:26.620 --> 00:25:30.630 really easier. Somebody trying to scribble on a map 382 00:25:30.630 --> 00:25:34.640 can't so that's how it's sort of decides 383 00:25:34.640 --> 00:25:38.650 the probable locations. We also can't input human 384 00:25:38.650 --> 00:25:42.660 input which is called, in the SAR world called 385 00:25:42.660 --> 00:25:46.670 a matching process or a consensus process. 386 00:25:46.670 --> 00:25:50.680 So different search planners come together and say hey I think they are over here or 387 00:25:50.680 --> 00:25:54.690 this amount of chance they are over here. We integrate that 388 00:25:54.690 --> 00:25:58.700 information as well and then obviously you gotta put a border 389 00:25:58.700 --> 00:26:02.710 on this so I think that was the second part of the question of how do you 390 00:26:02.710 --> 00:26:06.720 automatically generate borders to your areas? Well we 391 00:26:06.720 --> 00:26:10.730 use the various GIS layers. So roads, trails, 392 00:26:10.730 --> 00:26:14.740 railroads, ridge lines, 393 00:26:14.740 --> 00:26:18.750 drainages and then it just automatically draws 394 00:26:18.750 --> 00:26:22.760 it's borders using those rules. [Host] I think maybe the second part of that 395 00:26:22.760 --> 00:26:26.770 question that is sort of the rural areas. This is something that, do you need to be online? 396 00:26:26.770 --> 00:26:30.770 Do you need to have good service in order to use this app? 397 00:26:30.770 --> 00:26:34.780 [Robert] RIght, excellent question. One of our just being a SAR person 398 00:26:34.780 --> 00:26:38.790 I go places cell phone service doesn't exist. 399 00:26:38.790 --> 00:26:42.800 And talking to a lot of other folks 400 00:26:42.800 --> 00:26:46.810 it's like cell phone service exists on 50% of 401 00:26:46.810 --> 00:26:50.830 searches. Even some of the more urban areas tend to have 402 00:26:50.830 --> 00:26:54.840 a couple of holes here and there. So the way that the software works is 403 00:26:54.840 --> 00:26:58.850 on a USB stick. You plug it into your device. 404 00:26:58.850 --> 00:27:02.860 It fires up. It doesn't need to have an internet connection. 405 00:27:02.860 --> 00:27:02.870 You can still form a local network if you have a router and 406 00:27:02.870 --> 00:27:06.890 You can still form a local network if you have a router and 407 00:27:06.890 --> 00:27:10.900 everybody is in view of the wifi signal. You can connect multiple devices. 408 00:27:10.900 --> 00:27:14.910 If you are able to establish an internet connection 409 00:27:14.910 --> 00:27:18.920 then it can do a few more things, but the software 410 00:27:18.920 --> 00:27:22.930 can do everything in kind of standalone mode. 411 00:27:22.930 --> 00:27:26.950 It's just if it tries to talk to the outside world for 412 00:27:26.950 --> 00:27:30.950 the enhanced features we would have to do that. [Host] Got it. So very important 413 00:27:30.950 --> 00:27:34.960 takeaway. This can work even without an internet connection. Speaking to those 414 00:27:34.960 --> 00:27:38.980 rescuers and those searchers. You have to go out into 415 00:27:38.980 --> 00:27:42.990 you know great portions of our country that don't have cell service. [Robert] Certainly. [Host] We have another 416 00:27:42.990 --> 00:27:47.010 question. How do you confirm that persons found 417 00:27:47.010 --> 00:27:51.010 are those that are lost or missing? [Robert] Well that's more of a tactical question, 418 00:27:51.010 --> 00:27:55.010 but that's the ob of a search and rescue 419 00:27:55.010 --> 00:27:59.020 team. So certainly when every team goes out 420 00:27:59.020 --> 00:28:03.020 they are given the subject information sheet, which is 421 00:28:03.020 --> 00:28:07.030 something else we build into the software. We will eventually 422 00:28:07.030 --> 00:28:11.040 deliver to your smart phone through a fine mobile app. 423 00:28:11.040 --> 00:28:15.040 So you can have that subject information sheet. It has a picture, it has a name. 424 00:28:15.040 --> 00:28:19.050 So you can confirm you have actually found 425 00:28:19.050 --> 00:28:23.050 the right person if they are unconscious and not able to 426 00:28:23.050 --> 00:28:27.060 speak to you. [Host] A few more questions, do you have any 427 00:28:27.060 --> 00:28:31.060 success stories? [Robert] I probably get an email 428 00:28:31.060 --> 00:28:35.070 once a month about I used your book, I used your 429 00:28:35.070 --> 00:28:39.070 information. I don't know how you did it that person was 430 00:28:39.070 --> 00:28:43.070 exactly where the book said they were. The book tells you 431 00:28:43.070 --> 00:28:47.080 it's a game of probability, here's a likely place, here is a less likely place. 432 00:28:47.080 --> 00:28:51.080 So yeah I actually feel 433 00:28:51.080 --> 00:28:55.090 satisfied that I'm just helping people around 434 00:28:55.090 --> 00:28:59.090 the world all the time. [Host] That's wonderful. 435 00:28:59.090 --> 00:29:03.100 Did you decide to equally weigh all eight POA modules or did you weigh more than the others? 436 00:29:03.100 --> 00:29:07.100 [Robert] Right now they are equally weighed. 437 00:29:07.100 --> 00:29:11.110 In the future, I actually did design a tool called 438 00:29:11.110 --> 00:29:15.110 map score so I could score each model to see which model to see which model 439 00:29:15.110 --> 00:29:19.120 is better than the other model. I can actually tell you the 440 00:29:19.120 --> 00:29:23.120 ring model score is a .8, with one being the best. 441 00:29:23.120 --> 00:29:27.130 And the water shed model score is a .3 but 442 00:29:27.130 --> 00:29:31.140 if you combine the two models together, you get a .85. 443 00:29:31.140 --> 00:29:35.150 So I will eventually 444 00:29:35.150 --> 00:29:39.160 weight the models. I'm not there yet, 445 00:29:39.160 --> 00:29:43.160 but that is my goal and I know it is an approach that will work. 446 00:29:43.160 --> 00:29:47.170 [Host] Can you speak to the data being historical? 447 00:29:47.170 --> 00:29:51.170 How X number of people have behaved in the past versus uses the state of 448 00:29:51.170 --> 00:29:55.180 predictively? 449 00:29:55.180 --> 00:29:59.180 [Robert] So obviously its designed that 450 00:29:59.180 --> 00:30:03.190 past behavior is predicting future behavior. 451 00:30:03.190 --> 00:30:07.200 Is future behavior changing any? 452 00:30:07.200 --> 00:30:11.200 A little bit. So actually, I certainly see among 453 00:30:11.200 --> 00:30:15.210 lost hikers and lost hunters and even lost 454 00:30:15.210 --> 00:30:19.210 mountain bikers who are out there with their cell phones 455 00:30:19.210 --> 00:30:23.220 that if they get lost in the past the vast majority of them 456 00:30:23.220 --> 00:30:27.230 went down, but we are starting to see an increase in the 457 00:30:27.230 --> 00:30:31.230 number actually going up. [Host] Wow. [Robert] Because 458 00:30:31.230 --> 00:30:35.240 they want to get a cell phone signal where one doesn't exist. 459 00:30:35.240 --> 00:30:39.250 So it may be in the future, I'll have something like does 460 00:30:39.250 --> 00:30:43.250 the person have a cell phone? If the answer is yes, 461 00:30:43.250 --> 00:30:47.260 then we tweak the up down model to account 462 00:30:47.260 --> 00:30:51.270 for that. [Host] So as we see these behaviors evolve or change overtime 463 00:30:51.270 --> 00:30:55.270 that's sort of the features that will be tweaked in the software. [Robert] Yes, once I've nailed down 464 00:30:55.270 --> 00:30:59.280 the stats. [Host] Got it. How can we be notified 465 00:30:59.280 --> 00:31:03.280 when the apps are being released in the future? 466 00:31:03.280 --> 00:31:07.290 [Robert] I find the moment I release it 467 00:31:07.290 --> 00:31:11.300 everybody else puts it out on social media 468 00:31:11.300 --> 00:31:15.310 and everybody seems to know within a day or two. 469 00:31:15.310 --> 00:31:19.310 That's my method. 470 00:31:19.310 --> 00:31:23.320 [Host] So a collection of maybe word of mouth but also some official announcements coming out. 471 00:31:23.320 --> 00:31:27.320 And then Angela, does S&T have any plans to 472 00:31:27.320 --> 00:31:31.330 fund development for more tools of this nature? 473 00:31:31.330 --> 00:31:35.340 [Dr. Ervin] So if we have a need, we have a continued need and we have a budget 474 00:31:35.340 --> 00:31:39.340 we have funding available, we will fund. 475 00:31:39.340 --> 00:31:43.350 So part of my job is to make sure, one that 476 00:31:43.350 --> 00:31:47.360 DBS commercializes the products that they have been developing, 477 00:31:47.360 --> 00:31:51.370 which they are doing and will continue to do and 478 00:31:51.370 --> 00:31:55.370 then where else can we go with this? Where are 479 00:31:55.370 --> 00:31:59.380 some of the remaining holes and requirements and needs 480 00:31:59.380 --> 00:32:03.390 and what can we do to address those and do we have the budget to support it? 481 00:32:03.390 --> 00:32:07.400 So I'm always, I'm eyes and ears and if anybody has suggestions 482 00:32:07.400 --> 00:32:11.410 about things that they would like to see in this tool or improvements 483 00:32:11.410 --> 00:32:15.420 or enhancements or other applications that Bob 484 00:32:15.420 --> 00:32:19.420 mentioned a few that he was looking at and from the 3-5 485 00:32:19.420 --> 00:32:23.430 year time frame, if I hear from customers 486 00:32:23.430 --> 00:32:27.440 components, first responders that we really need that, 487 00:32:27.440 --> 00:32:31.450 then I put that on my list. You know and I keep it there 488 00:32:31.450 --> 00:32:35.450 and make sure if funding becomes available we go for it. 489 00:32:35.450 --> 00:32:39.460 So yes, there is always opportunity as long as there is budget. 490 00:32:39.460 --> 00:32:43.470 [Host[ How does S&T learn about those gaps or those holes? 491 00:32:43.470 --> 00:32:47.480 [Dr. Ervin] Well in the first responder group we are a very unique group, I will say. We have a 492 00:32:47.480 --> 00:32:51.490 first responder resource group, which is actually a large group of first responders. 493 00:32:51.490 --> 00:32:55.510 From the United States 494 00:32:55.510 --> 00:32:59.520 all local EMT, law, firefighters, etc., and we gather 495 00:32:59.520 --> 00:33:03.530 annually and we talk about the requirements. 496 00:33:03.530 --> 00:33:07.540 We break up into smaller groups. We define requirements from their perspective. 497 00:33:07.540 --> 00:33:11.550 They give us the requirements. We write statements of 498 00:33:11.550 --> 00:33:15.560 objectives around those requirements and then we publish broad agency announcements. 499 00:33:15.560 --> 00:33:19.570 For those that we have funding for, based on what budget we get. 500 00:33:19.570 --> 00:33:23.580 [Host] And what are broad agency announcements in case anyone doesn't know? 501 00:33:23.580 --> 00:33:27.590 [Dr. Ervin] Our way of announcing a particular requirement. 502 00:33:27.590 --> 00:33:31.590 We're looking for you to develop a solution. So if you 503 00:33:31.590 --> 00:33:35.600 google broad agency announcements, all government 504 00:33:35.600 --> 00:33:39.610 agencies publish broad agency announcements. That's how you get the word out 505 00:33:39.610 --> 00:33:43.620 about what your looking for. 506 00:33:43.620 --> 00:33:47.630 And then people like Robert here, respond with a proposal, 507 00:33:47.630 --> 00:33:51.640 within that time frame that's dictated in the broad agency announcement. 508 00:33:51.640 --> 00:33:55.650 [Host] So we go right to the user community. The people who are saying we need this. We need something to 509 00:33:55.650 --> 00:33:59.660 help us do x or y. In this case we need help making sure 510 00:33:59.660 --> 00:34:03.670 that search and rescue operations are more effective. We need information. We take that 511 00:34:03.670 --> 00:34:07.680 information and say okay, here's what we think we need to achieve 512 00:34:07.680 --> 00:34:11.690 who can do this for us? Innovators are out there. [Dr. Ervin] Right. These are the 513 00:34:11.690 --> 00:34:15.700 features we need. We publish them in these broad agency announcements. 514 00:34:15.700 --> 00:34:19.720 We take in proposals. We read them. 515 00:34:19.720 --> 00:34:23.730 Then we select if they are selectable. If they 516 00:34:23.730 --> 00:34:27.740 appear to be able to develop a solution that will meet our needs. 517 00:34:27.740 --> 00:34:31.760 [Host] A few more questions from Facebook. What is the 518 00:34:31.760 --> 00:34:35.770 price of FInd? [Robert] The price of Find has not been established yet. 519 00:34:35.770 --> 00:34:39.780 I certainly know that it will have at least three tiers to it. 520 00:34:39.780 --> 00:34:43.800 The first tier will be a stand alone version 521 00:34:43.800 --> 00:34:47.810 that a search planner could use. It doesn't connect to other devices. 522 00:34:47.810 --> 00:34:51.830 But that gets somebody able 523 00:34:51.830 --> 00:34:55.840 to extract some of the most useful information out of it. 524 00:34:55.840 --> 00:34:59.850 That price point is aimed at something 525 00:34:59.850 --> 00:35:03.850 a small, non-governmental 526 00:35:03.850 --> 00:35:07.860 organization or SAR team could use. 527 00:35:07.860 --> 00:35:11.860 The next step up is the version 528 00:35:11.860 --> 00:35:15.870 that you can put as many devices as your router 529 00:35:15.870 --> 00:35:19.870 will be able to hold. If there is only so many people on a 530 00:35:19.870 --> 00:35:23.880 search and it is device independent. So somebody could 531 00:35:23.880 --> 00:35:27.880 have their smart phone. Another person could have a laptop. Another person could have 532 00:35:27.880 --> 00:35:31.880 an iPad. These would all work and 533 00:35:31.880 --> 00:35:35.890 then the final version will be the enterprise. So it connects 534 00:35:35.890 --> 00:35:39.890 to the internet and has a server and remote planning 535 00:35:39.890 --> 00:35:43.900 and being notified of what team members are potentially 536 00:35:43.900 --> 00:35:47.900 in. So that's gonna be the higher tier version, but 537 00:35:47.900 --> 00:35:51.910 I haven't finished all of my market research to know exactly where those price points are gonna be. 538 00:35:51.910 --> 00:35:55.910 [Host] Okay, so we will stay tuned for that. Can the app or 539 00:35:55.910 --> 00:35:59.920 Find be integrated into other incident managed software platforms? 540 00:35:59.920 --> 00:36:03.920 [Robert] Right now that almost goes back to the question 541 00:36:03.920 --> 00:36:07.920 of developing API's. So the information can be exchanged 542 00:36:07.920 --> 00:36:11.930 and pushed out or pulled in. 543 00:36:11.930 --> 00:36:15.930 So that was part of that 1-3 years 544 00:36:15.930 --> 00:36:19.940 extra development looking at it. [Host] Okay and 545 00:36:19.940 --> 00:36:23.950 somebody is building a small search and rescue team. How and where can I get this app and the software? 546 00:36:23.950 --> 00:36:27.950 [Robert] The appware is on 547 00:36:27.950 --> 00:36:31.950 the apple iTunes store or the Android 548 00:36:31.950 --> 00:36:35.960 play store and you just download it to your 549 00:36:35.960 --> 00:36:39.960 phone. So that's $10. So that's fairly 550 00:36:39.960 --> 00:36:43.970 straight forward, the software hasn't been released. 551 00:36:43.970 --> 00:36:47.970 Once it's released, I will most likely not only directly 552 00:36:47.970 --> 00:36:51.970 sell it off of my website, but I'll be setting up 553 00:36:51.970 --> 00:36:55.980 distributers as well who could provide 554 00:36:55.980 --> 00:36:59.980 for people who want hands on training or integrating with 555 00:36:59.980 --> 00:37:03.990 some of my other distributers there's some value added 556 00:37:03.990 --> 00:37:07.990 reselling there. [Host] Has S&T 557 00:37:07.990 --> 00:37:11.990 transitioned other technology or tools? [ Dr. Ervin] Yes. 558 00:37:11.990 --> 00:37:16.000 [Host] That's a big yes. (Laughter) [Dr.Ervin] Sure, I would 559 00:37:16.000 --> 00:37:20.000 suggest going to our website and learning about what we have. We have transitioned many 560 00:37:20.000 --> 00:37:24.010 technologies and tools. [Host] And it's always ongoing. {Dr. Ervin] Absolutely. 561 00:37:24.010 --> 00:37:28.010 Always ongoing. It's a metric for us. 562 00:37:28.010 --> 00:37:32.020 [Host] So always be checking our website for the next big thing thats available to help you. 563 00:37:32.020 --> 00:37:36.020 If there are no other questions, what's one thing you want to leave people with today about 564 00:37:36.020 --> 00:37:40.030 this app, these capabilities? You know 565 00:37:40.030 --> 00:37:44.030 what should they expect or what do you want to leave people with? 566 00:37:44.030 --> 00:37:48.040 Don't jump at once. (Laughter) 567 00:37:48.040 --> 00:37:52.040 [Robert] I thought you'd do it from your perspective first. 568 00:37:52.040 --> 00:37:56.050 [Dr.Ervin] I'm thinking of my perspective, I'd rather end with that. So why don't you 569 00:37:56.050 --> 00:38:00.050 [Robert] Sure. Well one thing is 570 00:38:00.050 --> 00:38:04.060 can you predict peoples behavior? And the short answer is "No". 571 00:38:04.060 --> 00:38:08.060 I cannot tell you where this one unique individual 572 00:38:08.060 --> 00:38:12.070 will actually be found, but and this is a bizarre 573 00:38:12.070 --> 00:38:16.070 image, but if you lost a 100 people just like this 574 00:38:16.070 --> 00:38:20.080 and let them wonder around and see where they were all 575 00:38:20.080 --> 00:38:24.090 found you get essentially a probability distribution. 576 00:38:24.090 --> 00:38:28.090 And you would find natural clusters. So what the software 577 00:38:28.090 --> 00:38:32.100 allows you to do, which is originally take 578 00:38:32.100 --> 00:38:36.100 tables and charts, which were hard to 579 00:38:36.100 --> 00:38:40.110 visualize is to bring it to life. And now you can visualize 580 00:38:40.110 --> 00:38:44.120 here's a cluster along this stream 581 00:38:44.120 --> 00:38:48.120 and here's another cluster over here and since in search 582 00:38:48.120 --> 00:38:52.130 and rescue you always have limited resources. You just don't have enough. 583 00:38:52.130 --> 00:38:56.130 It's like I have three teams, I can send out into the field. 584 00:38:56.130 --> 00:39:00.140 Now you know, I send one team over here and I send the second 585 00:39:00.140 --> 00:39:04.140 team over here and I look to see where the next logical 586 00:39:04.140 --> 00:39:08.150 cluster of probability is. And then you 587 00:39:08.150 --> 00:39:12.150 kinda roll the dice and most of the time it works. 588 00:39:12.150 --> 00:39:16.160 But every so often you could 589 00:39:16.160 --> 00:39:20.170 roll seven 1's in a row. 590 00:39:20.170 --> 00:39:24.170 But over time this is the key to being 591 00:39:24.170 --> 00:39:28.170 successful and we know this approach works from just numerous studies. 592 00:39:28.170 --> 00:39:32.180 [Dr. Ervin] So from my perspective as a program manager 593 00:39:32.180 --> 00:39:36.180 I had many projects that I manage, this is one of them. 594 00:39:36.180 --> 00:39:40.190 And the goal, the success for me 595 00:39:40.190 --> 00:39:44.190 is being able to come up with a solution or solutions 596 00:39:44.190 --> 00:39:48.200 or tools like your hearing about here that make a 597 00:39:48.200 --> 00:39:52.210 difference. That can become available, that aren't just 598 00:39:52.210 --> 00:39:56.210 something that's going to be put on a shelf or some research thats going to be 599 00:39:56.210 --> 00:40:00.220 put in a book, but actually these things transition into true 600 00:40:00.220 --> 00:40:04.220 products that make a difference for our customer or our component or our 601 00:40:04.220 --> 00:40:08.230 first responders. So the takeaway is 602 00:40:08.230 --> 00:40:12.230 for me is this is exciting because we are going to make a 603 00:40:12.230 --> 00:40:16.240 difference. There are improvements and efficiencies that will certainly result from all of this. 604 00:40:16.240 --> 00:40:20.250 And that is a win. [Host] That's great. That's a great not to 605 00:40:20.250 --> 00:40:24.250 end on. Thank you all so much. If we didn't get a chance to answer your question. We will follow-up 606 00:40:24.250 --> 00:40:28.260 via text on the chat below. But thank you all for tuning in 607 00:40:28.260 --> 00:40:31.210 and we will see you next time.