WEBVTT - https://subtitletools.com 00:00:04.516 --> 00:00:18.576 [ Music ] 00:00:19.076 --> 00:00:21.466 >> Don Roberts: We have, you know, 00:00:21.466 --> 00:00:22.756 TSAs Canine Training Center. 00:00:22.756 --> 00:00:26.116 Mr. Danny Diller is going to talk about, you know, what -- 00:00:26.186 --> 00:00:29.916 a little bit of -- we've been supporting them for many years. 00:00:30.786 --> 00:00:35.756 They've been willing to look and adjust both CONOPS 00:00:35.816 --> 00:00:38.666 and their training to try and, you know, 00:00:38.666 --> 00:00:40.266 serve their mission space better. 00:00:40.886 --> 00:00:43.376 You know, I applaud them for that but, you know, 00:00:43.486 --> 00:00:46.626 Mr. Diller is going to get up here and, you know especially 00:00:46.626 --> 00:00:48.856 from the training side, give a perspective 00:00:48.856 --> 00:00:53.176 on just how daunting a task the TSA Canine Program is. 00:00:53.626 --> 00:00:57.956 So, you know, we appreciate them being here today and being able 00:00:58.286 --> 00:00:59.426 to share that and this. 00:00:59.426 --> 00:01:01.326 I think it's very important. 00:01:01.666 --> 00:01:04.756 It's a very unique explosive detection program, 00:01:04.756 --> 00:01:08.086 the largest domestic program in the country 00:01:08.086 --> 00:01:09.556 so thanks Danny for being here. 00:01:09.736 --> 00:01:10.226 Mr. Diller. 00:01:11.516 --> 00:01:16.516 [ Applause ] 00:01:17.016 --> 00:01:18.276 >> Danny Diller: Thanks Don and welcome everybody. 00:01:18.276 --> 00:01:19.346 It's my distinct pleasure 00:01:19.406 --> 00:01:22.296 to represent the Canine Training Center at the TSA, 00:01:22.296 --> 00:01:24.566 as Don mentioned one of the largest bomb dog programs 00:01:24.566 --> 00:01:25.536 that we have in the program. 00:01:26.116 --> 00:01:29.006 I'm going to give you a little, brief history of the program, 00:01:29.006 --> 00:01:30.826 where we came from, where we're at today, 00:01:30.976 --> 00:01:35.386 why we enjoy our collaboration with S&T 00:01:35.746 --> 00:01:39.806 because we do give a good test base of multiple dogs 00:01:39.806 --> 00:01:40.916 which is a key element 00:01:40.916 --> 00:01:42.616 when we're running the scientific test at all. 00:01:43.236 --> 00:01:45.416 So with that, a little brief history. 00:01:46.386 --> 00:01:47.086 Green button, right? 00:01:47.276 --> 00:01:47.346 >> Yeah. 00:01:47.726 --> 00:01:48.076 >> Danny Diller: There we go. 00:01:48.626 --> 00:01:52.496 So from 1972 to 2005, we were a portion 00:01:52.496 --> 00:01:53.926 of the Military Working Dog Program 00:01:53.926 --> 00:01:55.136 at Lackland Air Force Base. 00:01:55.376 --> 00:01:58.036 We still hold on to some legacy programs. 00:01:58.346 --> 00:02:00.256 With that particular program you'll see 00:02:00.256 --> 00:02:02.256 with our procurement slide that's coming up here next, 00:02:02.756 --> 00:02:05.666 really integrated with the Military Working Dog Program. 00:02:05.666 --> 00:02:07.846 So we try to cross-share information 00:02:07.846 --> 00:02:09.216 across that program very well. 00:02:09.736 --> 00:02:12.966 2005, we were ultimately transitioned to the TSA 00:02:12.966 --> 00:02:16.246 and became what we now know today as the TSA Canine Program. 00:02:16.756 --> 00:02:18.116 You can see the numbers there. 00:02:18.116 --> 00:02:22.686 We've grown from, you know, 30 dogs a year over to almost 1100 00:02:22.686 --> 00:02:26.396 across the program nowadays which requires us to put a lot 00:02:26.396 --> 00:02:28.316 of dogs into the training program every year 00:02:28.806 --> 00:02:32.066 which gives us availability of some scientifically 00:02:32.066 --> 00:02:36.866 or statistically sound numbers when we do some of this testing. 00:02:37.346 --> 00:02:38.366 And our testing that we do 00:02:38.366 --> 00:02:41.106 down there not only does it drive strategic change 00:02:41.106 --> 00:02:43.186 in our own program, it also -- 00:02:43.256 --> 00:02:45.216 we want that to go to the industry 00:02:45.546 --> 00:02:49.296 which is what this day is all about is getting the information 00:02:49.296 --> 00:02:51.266 that is out there, that we're all working toward, 00:02:51.456 --> 00:02:54.576 into the hands of the user so a key element for that. 00:02:55.396 --> 00:02:58.086 So again, you see some of the personnel growth 00:02:58.086 --> 00:03:00.506 and why we're able to do some of these larger studies down there. 00:03:00.596 --> 00:03:03.776 We're now at 137 personnel at the Canine Training Center 00:03:04.106 --> 00:03:07.326 with about 25 different venues that are available 00:03:07.326 --> 00:03:10.036 for different testing and different operational events. 00:03:12.786 --> 00:03:17.116 So currently we have two basic counter courses that we teach: 00:03:17.196 --> 00:03:20.546 a 12 week standard explosive detection canine course 00:03:20.976 --> 00:03:23.566 and a 16 week passenger screening canine course. 00:03:23.686 --> 00:03:27.906 So since 2012, TSA, in response to the underwear bomber, 00:03:27.906 --> 00:03:30.596 has been deploying passenger screening canine which was - 00:03:31.036 --> 00:03:34.676 I know my friends from Auburn are in the audience here today 00:03:34.676 --> 00:03:37.946 which was really kind of a new technology that Auburn kind 00:03:37.946 --> 00:03:40.186 of piloted and we picked up on in response 00:03:40.186 --> 00:03:41.046 to the underwear bomber. 00:03:41.506 --> 00:03:44.896 So we've employed these type dogs that are screening 00:03:45.036 --> 00:03:46.766 for explosives on personnel. 00:03:46.766 --> 00:03:49.216 Been some trials and tribulations, 00:03:49.256 --> 00:03:52.626 been a lot of lessons learned in that realm, and as we continue 00:03:52.626 --> 00:03:56.046 to expand that footprint into local, state, 00:03:56.236 --> 00:04:00.236 tribal law enforcement entities, we look to be a portion 00:04:00.236 --> 00:04:02.536 of that solution and give our lessons learned 00:04:02.536 --> 00:04:05.036 so we're not re-creating the wheel. 00:04:05.086 --> 00:04:06.446 Sixteen weeks is a long time 00:04:06.646 --> 00:04:08.636 for a passenger screening canine handler 00:04:08.636 --> 00:04:10.886 to be gone away from home. 00:04:10.886 --> 00:04:14.266 That's a recent change in our model because of some 00:04:14.266 --> 00:04:16.396 of the things we've done with S&T with the change 00:04:16.396 --> 00:04:17.826 at CONOPS, as Don mentioned. 00:04:18.246 --> 00:04:20.996 We've now gone to what we call the open queue concept 00:04:21.166 --> 00:04:24.216 which expands the work area that the canine team actually has 00:04:24.216 --> 00:04:25.726 to work within the checkpoint. 00:04:26.386 --> 00:04:29.656 It meters the passengers through that checkpoint 00:04:29.946 --> 00:04:31.696 to give the dog an opportunity to work. 00:04:31.756 --> 00:04:34.526 The most productive area, which we know, that's the end state 00:04:34.526 --> 00:04:36.896 of any canine detection, right, is put the dog 00:04:36.896 --> 00:04:38.986 in the productive areas where it has an opportunity 00:04:39.066 --> 00:04:40.456 to detect the odor. 00:04:40.746 --> 00:04:42.886 So that CONOPS drove some changes. 00:04:42.886 --> 00:04:44.676 It realized that it took a little longer 00:04:44.676 --> 00:04:46.266 to train the canine to get to that point, 00:04:46.266 --> 00:04:50.036 and it took the handlers little bit to be a little bit more keen 00:04:50.106 --> 00:04:52.616 on the change of behavior in that program. 00:04:53.086 --> 00:04:55.216 So we extended the training from a 12 week course 00:04:55.216 --> 00:04:59.086 to a 16 week course and reduced the pre-training on the canines 00:04:59.086 --> 00:05:00.526 so that the handlers are actually brought 00:05:00.526 --> 00:05:03.186 in on the ground floor of imprinting odors 00:05:03.186 --> 00:05:04.976 and teaching the canines basic tasks. 00:05:05.516 --> 00:05:07.916 We think that's going to make a better handler in the field. 00:05:08.746 --> 00:05:10.046 We're seeing some improvement. 00:05:10.586 --> 00:05:13.716 S&T is going to help us prove that over next several or couple 00:05:13.716 --> 00:05:16.506 of years as we get this fully rolled out to all 00:05:16.506 --> 00:05:17.666 of our airport locations. 00:05:18.496 --> 00:05:21.746 And we'll look to continue that collaboration and putting 00:05:21.746 --> 00:05:24.776 out some good studies that show that this is the right impact 00:05:24.776 --> 00:05:26.426 that we're having on the program. 00:05:27.396 --> 00:05:31.466 So on average, CTC, we have approximately 240 canines 00:05:31.466 --> 00:05:33.386 in any stage of training. 00:05:33.576 --> 00:05:36.466 They just kind of show you the scope of the operation 00:05:36.466 --> 00:05:40.606 and again why we can collaborate on some larger studies in order 00:05:40.726 --> 00:05:43.076 to prove or disprove a particular 00:05:43.076 --> 00:05:45.156 or traditional canine methodologies 00:05:45.156 --> 00:05:45.756 of what we're doing. 00:05:46.666 --> 00:05:49.456 So in addition to that, just another thing, 00:05:49.556 --> 00:05:51.426 you know within the TSA canine program, 00:05:51.426 --> 00:05:55.226 to give you a brief overview as a third-party entity, 00:05:55.316 --> 00:05:57.606 all of our teams report to an operations branch, 00:05:57.606 --> 00:06:00.446 which are up there in the peanut gallery somewhere, 00:06:00.446 --> 00:06:03.756 Gary and Daline and a couple other folks but we do 00:06:03.756 --> 00:06:07.666 over 1000 evaluations per year as a third-party evaluation 00:06:07.666 --> 00:06:10.556 on all of our teams, in addition to that a portion 00:06:10.556 --> 00:06:14.326 of maintaining operational proficiency throughout the year. 00:06:14.486 --> 00:06:16.336 We've also gone to a quarterly assessment 00:06:16.336 --> 00:06:19.976 through our operation's Regional Canine Training Association. 00:06:19.976 --> 00:06:21.566 So we've moved kind of away from the model 00:06:21.836 --> 00:06:23.816 of only seeing a team once a year and assuming 00:06:23.816 --> 00:06:26.606 that they're maintaining their skill sets throughout the rest 00:06:26.606 --> 00:06:28.626 of the year so that's something else 00:06:28.626 --> 00:06:32.546 that we've driven a change on. 00:06:32.546 --> 00:06:33.636 TSA canine procurement. 00:06:33.706 --> 00:06:36.746 So we're very happy to engage with our industry. 00:06:37.206 --> 00:06:39.856 One of the unique things about our program again, 00:06:39.856 --> 00:06:42.476 as I mentioned, we come from the DOD Military Working Dog 00:06:42.506 --> 00:06:45.196 Program, one of the legacy programs we have for that. 00:06:45.196 --> 00:06:47.446 And we still procure a majority of our canines 00:06:47.446 --> 00:06:49.336 through the DOD acquisition system 00:06:49.936 --> 00:06:51.666 through an interagency agreement. 00:06:51.666 --> 00:06:54.726 We have -- that provides us about 270 dogs per year. 00:06:55.386 --> 00:06:58.896 And then our full production mode, we can train 00:06:58.896 --> 00:07:01.576 about 350 canines a year, to give you the scope 00:07:01.576 --> 00:07:04.706 of the operation once again so that requires us to buy 00:07:04.706 --> 00:07:07.036 about 130, 140 additional canines 00:07:07.126 --> 00:07:10.586 out of our own TSA acquisition process. 00:07:10.676 --> 00:07:12.376 I'll bring that up to the greater community here 00:07:12.376 --> 00:07:14.326 because we realize that there are some challenges. 00:07:14.366 --> 00:07:18.516 If we have breeders in the audience today, 00:07:18.736 --> 00:07:20.796 there are some challenges in reaching out to dogs 00:07:20.796 --> 00:07:22.316 that are available out there in the world just 00:07:22.596 --> 00:07:25.976 because the acquisition process is a bit arduous. 00:07:26.096 --> 00:07:28.396 But as we move through this, 00:07:28.396 --> 00:07:31.686 we've got a couple initiatives moving forward that we will work 00:07:31.786 --> 00:07:34.916 to limit those challenges and actually deal better 00:07:34.966 --> 00:07:37.696 with the community so we can tap into the dogs that are out there 00:07:38.086 --> 00:07:40.356 and address some of the supply issues that we see 00:07:40.356 --> 00:07:42.146 within the current acquisition process. 00:07:42.146 --> 00:07:44.546 So we look forward to having more industry engagement 00:07:45.196 --> 00:07:45.936 on that. 00:07:45.936 --> 00:07:48.406 We'll partner with S&T in doing that. 00:07:48.406 --> 00:07:50.866 We've got a little bit of -- if you're aware, 00:07:50.866 --> 00:07:53.456 we did put together a breeding consortium model a couple 00:07:53.456 --> 00:07:54.116 years ago. 00:07:54.356 --> 00:07:56.586 We've re-energized that just this past year. 00:07:57.036 --> 00:07:59.726 The TSA administrator signed that document yesterday 00:08:00.206 --> 00:08:02.246 so we'll get that back before Congress 00:08:02.246 --> 00:08:06.926 and hopefully we'll see a large-scale effort 00:08:07.126 --> 00:08:10.056 to put together academia, the breeding industry, 00:08:10.296 --> 00:08:12.796 the canine industry, and the federal government 00:08:12.926 --> 00:08:15.136 to expand the availability 00:08:15.136 --> 00:08:17.976 in this community supporting the federal government's efforts 00:08:17.976 --> 00:08:18.466 in canine. 00:08:19.246 --> 00:08:23.656 So in our canine procurement, current breeds 00:08:23.966 --> 00:08:25.656 that we currently work with are -- 00:08:25.656 --> 00:08:28.156 we do still produce a few German Shorthaired Pointers, 00:08:28.156 --> 00:08:29.016 the Belgian Malinois. 00:08:29.456 --> 00:08:32.036 However, because of the passenger screening 00:08:32.036 --> 00:08:34.636 and the public perception of the sporting breed dogs, 00:08:34.636 --> 00:08:36.656 we do kind of lean toward and prefer -- 00:08:36.656 --> 00:08:39.856 most of our canines are in the sporting breed community, 00:08:39.856 --> 00:08:40.946 the Labrador Retrievers, 00:08:41.016 --> 00:08:44.106 German Shorthaired Pointers being the two prevailing breeds 00:08:44.106 --> 00:08:44.846 that we have there. 00:08:45.466 --> 00:08:50.256 For us, although the -- walking through the airport, 00:08:50.256 --> 00:08:52.766 as Don mentioned earlier, is not a strenuous environment 00:08:52.766 --> 00:08:55.306 to work a dog in, it is a dynamic environment 00:08:55.306 --> 00:08:56.166 to work a dog in. 00:08:56.166 --> 00:08:59.046 So really our environmental stability is something 00:08:59.046 --> 00:09:01.476 that we look at as our first criteria 00:09:01.476 --> 00:09:04.336 when we're testing the dogs is do they recover well 00:09:04.336 --> 00:09:07.366 in a strange environment of the testing environment? 00:09:07.806 --> 00:09:09.126 But we're always looking 00:09:09.126 --> 00:09:11.106 to quantify the testing environment. 00:09:11.156 --> 00:09:12.086 What does that look like? 00:09:12.516 --> 00:09:15.316 And then ultimately as we deal with the breeder community, 00:09:15.596 --> 00:09:18.116 what's the rearing strategy that's going to prepare the dog 00:09:18.116 --> 00:09:20.716 for the dynamic or arduous environment 00:09:20.716 --> 00:09:22.956 so to feed the government's needs? 00:09:22.956 --> 00:09:24.596 So that's a key element of what we look for. 00:09:25.256 --> 00:09:28.796 Honestly with detection, our particular training model is 00:09:28.796 --> 00:09:30.836 under a prey object training model. 00:09:30.836 --> 00:09:33.206 We don't use any food reward dogs in our program. 00:09:33.386 --> 00:09:35.596 So the hunt and the fetch drive 00:09:35.636 --> 00:09:37.816 that the dogs display is also a key element 00:09:38.616 --> 00:09:40.726 and then obviously we'll lay search for the reward 00:09:40.726 --> 00:09:43.416 and what have you so -- and then obviously availability. 00:09:43.416 --> 00:09:47.246 With buying 420 dogs a year, that's a pretty good demand 00:09:47.296 --> 00:09:49.306 for the limited number of vendors that we see, 00:09:49.306 --> 00:09:51.086 although there is 22 of those currently. 00:09:51.496 --> 00:09:52.866 We would like to see it be 50. 00:09:53.206 --> 00:09:54.596 So as we have our networking -- 00:09:54.596 --> 00:09:57.336 if you're in that breeding community, 00:09:57.336 --> 00:09:59.456 we'd like to hear what the challenges are that you see 00:09:59.456 --> 00:10:00.996 to the impediment of us reaching 00:10:00.996 --> 00:10:02.736 out to the community that's out there. 00:10:04.296 --> 00:10:06.686 And our S&T collaborative efforts. 00:10:07.476 --> 00:10:09.506 TSAs long established relationship. 00:10:09.506 --> 00:10:13.146 We are not afraid to look internally at our own processes 00:10:13.146 --> 00:10:14.556 and what we're doing with our canines 00:10:14.556 --> 00:10:16.486 and what the best process is. 00:10:16.486 --> 00:10:18.856 In fact, we tout that regularly 00:10:18.856 --> 00:10:21.226 that we have some scientific rigor behind our program, 00:10:21.546 --> 00:10:24.096 and we look to continue that relationship with S&T 00:10:24.426 --> 00:10:25.786 to provide us with that data 00:10:26.046 --> 00:10:28.046 so we can quantify what it is that we're doing. 00:10:28.116 --> 00:10:30.336 We have a lot of testing mechanisms that we do: 00:10:30.426 --> 00:10:35.306 our annual evaluation, our current quarterly assessments, 00:10:35.956 --> 00:10:40.536 S&T testing, our own internal covert testing that we run, 00:10:40.656 --> 00:10:43.566 and we're continually taking all of those test results 00:10:43.566 --> 00:10:46.666 and modifying the program for the betterment 00:10:46.696 --> 00:10:48.816 so that we're actually using these canines 00:10:48.956 --> 00:10:51.886 and addressing what are their limitations 00:10:52.186 --> 00:10:53.356 and what are their capabilities? 00:10:53.356 --> 00:10:56.766 As we put all of that in the mix, we'll continue to reach 00:10:56.766 --> 00:10:59.886 out to the scientific community as we make those transitions 00:11:00.246 --> 00:11:03.076 so that we can quantify where we're at 00:11:03.286 --> 00:11:05.676 and what's the overall effectiveness of the teams. 00:11:06.106 --> 00:11:07.816 As Cliff was mentioning there a while ago, you know, 00:11:07.846 --> 00:11:12.486 part of the process is to figure out what are the limitations 00:11:12.486 --> 00:11:13.436 that we currently have? 00:11:13.436 --> 00:11:15.266 If that's training program limitation 00:11:15.266 --> 00:11:19.516 because we've gotten comfortable being great, then we need 00:11:19.516 --> 00:11:21.806 to have that scientific piece come in 00:11:21.806 --> 00:11:23.966 or that unknown piece come in and look to see 00:11:23.966 --> 00:11:27.516 where we can be greater so we definitely look to have that. 00:11:28.136 --> 00:11:32.066 So we did conduct an odor generalization study 00:11:32.066 --> 00:11:36.756 that allowed -- TSAs odor list had grown quite extensively 00:11:36.756 --> 00:11:40.556 over the past decade or so with a lot of adding of odors 00:11:40.606 --> 00:11:43.116 with every new threat stream that would come across the line 00:11:43.116 --> 00:11:46.656 and it got to the point of diminishing returns. 00:11:46.656 --> 00:11:50.276 So we were able to do an odor generalization study and pair 00:11:50.276 --> 00:11:52.516 that back down to a reasonable number of training aids 00:11:53.006 --> 00:11:55.176 that we think we get the most bang for our buck. 00:11:55.466 --> 00:11:59.896 So that was a very key point for us and then 00:11:59.926 --> 00:12:01.266 like I said hopefully that filters 00:12:01.266 --> 00:12:02.166 out through the community. 00:12:02.526 --> 00:12:04.756 We look at what industry standards is and we stay 00:12:04.756 --> 00:12:07.406 within industry standards, but if we can drive 00:12:07.406 --> 00:12:09.866 that industry standard through scientific analysis, 00:12:10.026 --> 00:12:12.886 so much the better so that we're getting the most bang 00:12:12.886 --> 00:12:15.216 for our buck because we all know there is no unlimited training 00:12:15.216 --> 00:12:15.836 time out there. 00:12:16.816 --> 00:12:21.466 So I brought up that breed consortium just a minute ago. 00:12:21.836 --> 00:12:24.286 That was a real large effort that we were able 00:12:24.286 --> 00:12:27.066 to put together and get up off the ground based on some 00:12:27.066 --> 00:12:29.236 of S&T's previous work. 00:12:29.776 --> 00:12:35.326 We put together a great panel of end-users, vendors, academia, 00:12:35.736 --> 00:12:38.526 scientists, S&T and ourselves, 00:12:39.026 --> 00:12:40.086 brought all those people together, 00:12:40.086 --> 00:12:42.536 put a lot of smart people in a room, developed it, 00:12:42.616 --> 00:12:45.976 developed a framework and a strategy and, as I mentioned, 00:12:45.976 --> 00:12:47.746 we got that signed by the administrator. 00:12:47.746 --> 00:12:49.996 We'll get it to Congress and then hopefully we'll be able 00:12:49.996 --> 00:12:51.276 to expand that working group. 00:12:51.436 --> 00:12:53.436 Excuse me, I'm going to lose my voice. 00:12:54.096 --> 00:12:56.946 We can expand that working group into a governance board 00:12:57.496 --> 00:13:01.756 and then we can really drive some industry improvement as far 00:13:01.806 --> 00:13:06.496 as providing some breeding guidance, training guidance, 00:13:06.816 --> 00:13:09.646 and then ultimately putting the end-users in touch 00:13:09.986 --> 00:13:12.606 with the vendors to increase the domestic supply 00:13:12.606 --> 00:13:14.546 of canines so a key thing. 00:13:15.806 --> 00:13:16.896 All right. 00:13:16.966 --> 00:13:20.776 And then a couple of upcoming things that we have. 00:13:20.776 --> 00:13:22.096 One of them we've actually kicked off on. 00:13:22.096 --> 00:13:23.486 We've actually started the condensed odor 00:13:23.486 --> 00:13:25.806 recognition evaluation. 00:13:25.936 --> 00:13:31.916 That's an efficiency for us to modify our imprinting protocol 00:13:32.046 --> 00:13:33.676 and criterion numbers 00:13:34.526 --> 00:13:37.106 to something that's a bit more succinct. 00:13:37.296 --> 00:13:39.386 However, it also adds distracting odors 00:13:39.386 --> 00:13:42.966 into that piece of it, so we're able to actually differentiate 00:13:42.966 --> 00:13:46.026 and quantify and prove that our dogs are only responding 00:13:46.026 --> 00:13:48.956 to explosive odors and not just something that might be novel. 00:13:48.956 --> 00:13:51.696 So we've implemented that at the CTC. 00:13:51.696 --> 00:13:56.166 We're seeing great results with it, and we think that's going 00:13:56.166 --> 00:13:59.406 to be the way of the future for absolutely sure. 00:13:59.716 --> 00:14:02.526 Moving forward, we look 00:14:02.526 --> 00:14:05.526 to do more operational testing of the canine teams. 00:14:05.526 --> 00:14:08.946 So with that, as Cliff mentioned, 00:14:08.946 --> 00:14:11.506 a bit more threat-based item testing, 00:14:11.986 --> 00:14:16.626 some odor containment testing of what containment actually does 00:14:16.626 --> 00:14:18.366 to particular odors instead of just kind of -- 00:14:18.676 --> 00:14:22.306 in general containment reduces the amount of odor to dogs. 00:14:23.116 --> 00:14:26.266 Okay. Tell me something I don't know, right? 00:14:26.526 --> 00:14:28.506 So we want to look at it specific to the odors 00:14:28.506 --> 00:14:30.796 and then find out do we have a capability gap 00:14:30.796 --> 00:14:33.716 that maybe canine is not the right answer to answer to. 00:14:34.176 --> 00:14:37.656 If we can prove that, then we can look to actually covering 00:14:37.656 --> 00:14:40.116 down on the actual gap that we have in our security layers 00:14:40.656 --> 00:14:44.576 so -- and with that, Don. 00:14:44.826 --> 00:14:46.586 I may be a little quick but more time 00:14:46.586 --> 00:14:48.586 for networking so - thank you. 00:14:49.016 --> 00:14:50.016 [ Applause ] 00:14:50.516 --> 00:15:05.850 [ Music ]