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>>Welcome to Day Two of the
Digital Forum on Prevention.

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My name is John Picarelli.

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I'm the Director of the Center
for Prevention Programs

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and Partnerships here at DHS.

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And it's my pleasure
to welcome you back.

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As we start here on Day Two it
is my pleasure to introduce our

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Acting Assistance Secretary
for Counter Terrorism,

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Threat Prevention and Law
Enforcement Policy,

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as well as our National
Security Counselor

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to the Secretary,
Samantha Vinograd,

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who will be providing us
some keynote remarks here

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to start Day Two, before we
work into our next panel.

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Samantha Vinograd is the
Acting Assistant Secretary

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for Counterterrorism and
Threat Prevention

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and Senior Counselor
for National Security

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here at the Department of
Homeland Security.

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She previously was a CNN
National Security Analyst,

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a Senior Advisor at
the Biden Institute,

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as well as a Visiting Fellow

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at the University of Chicago's
Institute for Politics.

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She began her
federal career under

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President George W. Bush
as the Deputy U.S.

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Treasury Attaché to Iraq.

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She subsequently served on
President Barack Obama's

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National Security Council
as the Director for Iraq.

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Also as the Director of
International Economics and also

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as a Senior Advisor to the
National Security Advisors.

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She would later join Goldman
Sachs where her work focused on

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building public private
sector partnerships across

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a broad range of policy
and business issues.

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And she later led a global
public policy at Stripe.

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Ms. Vinograd has been deeply
engaged in social impact work.

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She has served as an advisor

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to the U.S. Fund for UNICEF,

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Save the Children and
the Concordia Summit.

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She was a Visiting Fellow at the
University of Pennsylvania's

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Wharton Public
Policy Institute,

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a David E. Rockefeller

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Fellow at the
Trilateral Commission

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and a Millennium Fellow at
the Atlanta Council.

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She was also on the Board of the
Women's Foreign Policy Group.

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She received her Bachelor
in Arts in Asian

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and Middle Eastern Studies

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at the University of
Pennsylvania

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and her Master of Arts

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in Security Studies
from Georgetown University.

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So again thank you so much for
taking time to join us here

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today, Sam, we're looking
forward to your remarks.

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And with that I'll turn
the floor over to you.

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>>John, thank you so much
for that introduction

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and thanks to all who
have joined us today.

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I want to start on a bit
of a personal note,

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I am mindful that I'm speaking

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with you today on an
incredible tragic anniversary.

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We're meeting today three years
after 11 members of the

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Tree of Life Synagogue were
tragically gunned down

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and several others were wounded.

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I know that discussions over
the past several days

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have focused on the roles of
faith-based organizations,

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members of the private sector,

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non-governmental partners,

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and, of course, federal,

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state, local, tribal
and territorial officials

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as well as we seek to address
targeted violence

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and domestic terrorism.

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I am the daughter of a Holocaust
survivor and my father taught me

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from a very young age two
phrases which many of you may

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or may not be familiar with,
which are never forget

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and never again.

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You can never forget how acts
of hate can metastasize

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and lead to tragedy

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such that if we never
forget we never allow them

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to occur again.

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My father's 92 now and he still
uses those phrases, as do I.

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Three years ago we
had tragedy unfold

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at the Tree of Life Synagogue

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and as so many of us
are aware, far too often

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in our daily lives we receive
horrifying alerts

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about additional acts of
targeted violence

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and terrorism, whether it be
against a Jewish community,

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the APHI community,

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the Muslim community, the
immigrant community,

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the Black community,

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the LGBTQ community,

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the list frankly is just too
long to go through.

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And that is exactly why as we
witness a horrific increase

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in hate crimes as well as more
generally horrifying

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and unacceptable increase
in domestic terrorism

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here in this country

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and targeted violence,
it is so important

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that we all continue
our work together.

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And that is just one of the
reasons why it is so critical

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that we all are meeting today
over the last several days

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and that we continue to do so.

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I want to thank everybody who's
here, including the moderators,

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panelists, and, of course, the
Asian American Foundation

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for their collaboration on
this important event.

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As many of you know and
I think as you've heard

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over the past few days

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the DHS mission is to
protect the United States

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and to keep our citizens safe.

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DHS knows and views empowering
local prevention efforts

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as an integral piece
of this mission.

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We know that we alone
cannot prevent

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targeted violence and terrorism.

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It is not something that the
federal government can do.

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And that's why we are convinced
that a whole society approach

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that builds trusted partnerships
across all levels of government

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and among a multidisciplinary
set of stakeholders is critical.

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We need all of you for
information, for expertise,

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for counsel as we work together
to address targeted violence

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and terrorism.

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These digital forums
on prevention

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are just one demonstration
of how government,

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civil society,
nonprofits and industry

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can all contribute
your diverse perspectives

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and innovative solutions
to help address

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the challenge of preventing
targeted violence and terrorism.

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Over these two days we
are hearing from you,

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the experts and stakeholders
in faith-based,

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civil rights and advocacy
organizations

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on the important work that all
of you are doing every day

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to advance local
prevention frameworks,

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protect Americans basic freedoms

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and response to hateful
and harmful rhetoric

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that fuels targeted
violence and terrorism online

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and in other areas
of our society.

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We are 20 years after 9/11 and
I decided I wanted to join

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the federal government in
the direct aftermath of 9/11

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as I was deeply interested

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in public service related
to addressing

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the threat of foreign
terrorist organizations.

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Twenty years later I'm
sitting here today

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as the Assistant Secretary
for Counterterrorism,

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deeply aware that since 9/11

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over the last 20 years the
terrorism threat has evolved

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and expanded as
domestic terrorism

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and related threats have surged
or resurged I should say.

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Just in the last few years the
United States has experienced

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a significant increase in
mass casualty attacks

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targeting houses of worship,

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faith congregants and
minority communities.

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We know that these kinds of
attacks are nothing new.

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We have seen these kinds of
attacks throughout

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our nation's history.

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But over the last few years
we have seen an increase,

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resurgence in domestic terrorism
attacks fueled by racially

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and ethnically motivated
violence extremists,

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in particular, White
supremacists extremists

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as well as other forms of
domestic violent extremists.

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Such violence goes against
the very principles

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and values of this country.

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And addressing targeted violence
is also a critically important

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civil rights issue as the
domestic threat is mainly

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directed against
communities of color

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and often based on their
perceived race,

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ethnicity or religion.

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We here at DHS are doing
everything we can to equip,

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empower and inform our
communities to help

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end those deadly attacks.

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We are working
arduously to share

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more information with our state,

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local, tribal and
territorial partners,

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including through the
National Terrorism

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Advisory System Bulletin
and other mechanisms.

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I will ask on that note that all
of you that receive information

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from DHS that you
share with us,

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that you share with
my colleague,

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John Picarelli and
other members of the DHS team

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what information gaps you have
and what else may be useful.

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We are concurrently
working to enhance

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our understanding of the threat

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through the creation of a
dedicated analytical team

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examining the domestic
terrorism threat.

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Sound timely intelligence is
critical to sound

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and timely policy making.

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And that is exactly why under
my colleague John Cohen's

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leadership the Intelligence
and Analysis Branch of the

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Department of
Homeland Security now

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has a Domestic Terrorism Branch.

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With all that in mind,
above all else,

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we recognize the need
to do everything

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we can to prevent these
acts where they happen.

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And that is exactly why
as we work to improve

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our intelligence gathering

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and analysis as well
as our information

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sharing the Secretary

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has asked us to
really double down

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on earlier stage
prevention efforts,

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efforts that are
really focused on

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trying to prevent acts of
targeted violence

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and terrorism at
the earliest stage

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possible when
individuals see someone

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in their community
potentially radicalizing

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or mobilizing to violence.

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In that regard, earlier this
year Secretary Mayorkas

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created the Center for
Prevention Programs

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and Partnerships to
work with our state

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and local partners and to
empower their efforts

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to prevent targeted
violence and terrorism.

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We affectionately call the
Center for Prevention Programs

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and Partnerships CP3.

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CP3 uses public health
approaches that bring together

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multidisciplinary teams at the
local level that can get help

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to individuals who may be on
the pathway to violence.

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Through CP3 we aim to
build trust across

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all local communities

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while investing in community
based violence prevention

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and intervention programs
that are specifically

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tailored to specific
communities.

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The goal is to ensure that we
are holistically addressing

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the security of our
faith communities,

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our houses of worship, and
our neighborhoods overall.

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Successful local prevention
efforts require significant

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and continued stakeholder
engagement with state,

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local and local officials,

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community leaders,
civil society organizations

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and services, all to
build transparent

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and trusted relationships
across a whole society.

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That is why I'm so grateful
to see so many organizations

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joining us today for
the digital forum.

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It is you working together that
has the best chance to prevent

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the next incident of targeted
violence or terrorism.

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I will pledge to you that
DHS will continue

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to provide financial,

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technical and
educational assistance

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wherever it is needed.

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And we also welcome
and recognize

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the continued hard work of
all the organizations

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participating in the forum.

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Please, please, continue
to contact us

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to share feedback with us,

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to engage in information
sharing with us,

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such that we have two way lines
of communication that enables us

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all to keep our
communities safer.

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Thank you again for
the opportunity

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to speak to you today

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and for joining us in this
digital forum on prevention.

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I'm looking forward to the
conversations ahead

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and the continued work that we
can do together in the future.

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Thank you.

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>>Thank you so much Sam, and
again thank you for your time

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and your leadership
in this space.

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We really do appreciate it.

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I'm going to now turn it over
to my colleague Hal First

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[phonetic] who will
introduce our first panel

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and I look forward
to joining you

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again later this afternoon
on our second panel.

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Thank you.

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>>Thanks, John and thank you Sam
for those important words

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and for setting the tone I think
for the rest of the day

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and the important conversations
that we're going to have.

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Thank you to you both.

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I want to welcome you now
to our third panel

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on our second day of
a Digital Forum

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on Prevention on the Role of
Faith-Based Organizations

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in Supporting
Violence Prevention.

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This panel's going to discuss
the important role

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that faith-based organizations
play in the whole of society,

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public health approach to
violence prevention,

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including how they can
effectively partner

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with local and
national stakeholders.

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And panelists will speak to
their specific perspectives on

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how their organizations are
doing this work

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and the challenges they
face in this process,

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especially balancing
openness to the public

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and the safety of their
houses of worship.

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With that I am pleased to turn
it over to our moderator,

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Marcus T. Coleman,

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Director of the DHS
Center for Faith-Based

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and Neighborhood
Partnerships. Marcus?

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>> Hello, everyone and thank you
very much for having me today.

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I'm very excited to
join our partners DHS

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for this important digital forum

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and thankful for
the opening remarks

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from our Assistant
Secretary today.

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I know we have a number of
people on the call that are

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seeking information to take
back to their faith-based

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and community-based
organizations

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in terms of what we can
do to help continue

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to build community
and address acts of targeted

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violence proactively
to mitigate that.

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We have a wonderful
multi-faith panel today

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and what I appreciate
about the panel

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and the folks that you're
going to hear from

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is while they represent the
faith-based community

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in different aspects
they are all very close partners

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with government as well.

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And so what we'll do is
we're going to have

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a quickly round of
introductions,

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we're going to get into
a series of questions

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and again every person that's
been on a panel in some form

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or fashion has some practical
and actionable guidance for you.

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So we'll do introductions,
we'll do some questions

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that will be the
moderator discussion

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and then we'll open
it up to Q&A.

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If you have questions, please
feel free to drop those

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in the chat if you're able.

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And we'll be sure to try to
capture and incorporate

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those into the
moderated session.

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So what that let's get
into the introductions.

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And so we have a few folks
and then as I call you up

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if you can just come
off the camera,

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say hello, talk a little
bit about yourself.

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So the first person we have is
Michael Masters who serves

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as the National Director for
Secure Community Network.

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Michael, good afternoon.

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How are you, sir?

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>>I'm well, Marcus. Thank
you for having me.

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As you mentioned I'm the CEO and
National Director for the

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Secure Community Network and
pleasure to be here.

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Would you like me to speak a few
minutes about the organization

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or roll through?

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>>Let's get the other
introductions in

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and then we'll have,

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we'll come back to you
Michael to provide

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a bit of about the
organization as well.

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Thank you, sir.

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Alright.

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And then in addition to
Michael we have Kiran Gil,

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Director for the Sikh
American Legal Defense

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and Education Fund.

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Kiran, how are you?

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>>Doing well. Doing well.

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Thank you for having
me here today.

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>>Absolutely. Thank you
very much, Kiran.

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And then have Salam Al-Marayati,

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President for the Muslim
Public Affairs Council.

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Salam, how are you, sir?

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>>I'm doing very well thank you.

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Unfortunately I was in a biking
accident so I'm going to

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stay off camera for
the presentation,

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but I want to keep my commitment
to participate with all of you.

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It's a very important
conversation.

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>>Absolutely. I'm sorry to
hear about the accident.

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Hoping that you are healing well
and will continue to send

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good energy your way and
hopefully you recover soon.

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And thank you for taking
time out of the schedule

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to still join us as well.

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And then we also have
Todd Richins,

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Deputy Field Operations Director

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for the Church of
Latter-day Saints Security.

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Todd, how are you?

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>>Doing good, Marcus,
thanks for having me.

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>>Awesome. Thank you very much,

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Todd, and grateful to
have you be able

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to reconnect here.

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And then the last person
that's on the panel

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is Reverend John Marshall Mein.

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So you hear Reverend in his
name, but I'm going to let him

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give the title of
his organization.

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>>Thanks, Marcus, and thanks so
much for having us all on today.

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My name is John Mein.

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I serve as the Bureau
Chief of Intelligence

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and Threat Assessment at
the D.C. Fusion Center,

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located at D.C.
Emergency Management

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and Homeland Security here
in Washington, D.C.

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Thanks again for having us.

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>>Absolutely.

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So with that, so
I think we'll ...

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so that's the panel that
you'll hear from today.

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Now we'll get into
some questions.

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And the first question is,
and this is going back to,

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Michael, we'll start with you,

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yeah, if you can give
a little bit about

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what your organization does.

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And for audiences
that are listening

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as you're giving
the organization,

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what are ways that
organizations can partner

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with the Secure
Communities Network?

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>>Great. So thanks Marcus

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and I just want to,
one of the things

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that's a testament to
a panel like this,

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a forum, is that most of us

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who are on this panel
have spent years working

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with one another on these issues

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and many times convened by DHS
and our partners in government,

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other times on our own.

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And I think it goes to
the testament of the

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interconnectivity and how we
work well with one another.

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Certainly as the Assistant
Secretary mentioned

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that's heavy on my mind today

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as we are three years from the
attack in Pittsburgh.

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And you know I would point out
with that having stood in that

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synagogue several
times that attack

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has left that building
to this day empty.

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It remains not in use.

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And I think one of the
things that I think

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we all are committed to

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and need to think about is
not just preparedness

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and protection, but resiliency
and how do we ensure that

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we can create safe
houses of worship,

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safe centers of our
community that are open

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and accessible
while being safe

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and secure to allow in
my case Jewish life,

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but in our cases for the
forum the faith-based life

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in this country to continue

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and so that people
are comfortable

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walking into a synagogue
or a gird ware

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[phonetic], a church, a
mosque, wherever they are.

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And I think what we've
realized is that an attack

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on any one of us is an
attack on all of us.

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So one of the things that
we work very hard to do

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at the Secure Community Network

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is focus on the
Jewish community.

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We know that the threat
level is both complex

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and dynamic towards the whole
faith-based community,

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but certainly for us
we have seen

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an increase in anti-Semitic
incidence and vandalism

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and physical assault typified by
what happened in Pittsburgh

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and then six months to the
day in Poway [phonetic],

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Jersey City,
Monessen [phonetic].

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Unfortunately while the
pandemic has closed

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many of our institutions

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we continue to see
increases in online hate

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and vindictiveness

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and anti-Semitism that cause
particular concern

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as our institutions open up.

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So we focus on intelligence
and information sharing.

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We focus on physical
security and assessments.

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We focus on training
and exercise.

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We focus on incident response.

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Developing best practice
standards in each of those areas

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so that we can ensure whether
someone's walking into

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a community center in
Hartford, Connecticut

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or in a community center
in San Francisco

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that the training they're
receiving is standardized

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and best practice
across the board

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that we're sharing intelligence.

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As the Assistant Secretary
mentioned bad actors

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often travel faster than
our intelligence,

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so that means we need
to work together.

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We do that with partners both
in the government space,

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local, state and federal.

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Law enforcement also are
partners like the ADL

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and across the Jewish community

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so that we are
breaking down silos

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and creating safe spaces.

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And I'll leave it at that,
but we are a phone call away.

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And one of the things that I
know is that when our community

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has been attacked almost
all of the other panelists

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have reached out to
us as a community

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and we'd like to think
that we've done,

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tried to be responsive and
proactive in doing the same,

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whether it was in Oak
Creek, Wisconsin

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or when the Muslim community
has come under attack.

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And Salam and I have
been in contact.

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So we will I think in the
best American tradition

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get through this by
coming together.

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>>Thank you very much.

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And I'm going to love on him
a little bit more,

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because I remember him

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in his prior role as a
County Emergency Manager

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and has been committed for
years at the county,

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state and in this new capacity

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to engage in faith
communities here.

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So thank you and to your point
hearts continue to go with those

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who are mourning yet another
unfortunate anniversary

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due to loss of life as a result
of an active targeted violence.

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Kiran over to you.

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So would love to hear more
about your organization

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and some specific ways

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that organizations
can partner with the

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Sikh American Legal Defense
and Education Fund.

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>>Sure. Absolutely.

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Thank you so much for
having me here today.

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I am the Executive
Director at SALDEF,

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the Sikh American Legal Defense

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and Education Fund out
of Washington, D.C.

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We are actually celebrating our
25th anniversary this year.

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So we were one of the
first national

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SIKH American advocacy
organizations.

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Our focus is on civil rights and
religious freedoms not just for

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our community but as Michael
mentioned we work in partnership

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with many other faith-based
communities as well.

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I actually came to SALDEF, my
time at SALDEF was from the

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Executive Director was preceded

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by my volunteer
experience at SALDEF.

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The Sikh community faced
a significant backlash

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in terms of hate
crimes post 9/11.

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And I think what we found as a
community there was two issues.

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One obviously the hate
that was directed

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or misdirected at the community,

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but more largely people not
understanding who our community,

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you know, the
articles of faith,

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what they stand for, who we are.

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So I think as a community we
faced two I guess issues

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that we had to combat.

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One was general education
about our community,

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and this included community
members having issues,

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for example, with going through

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TSA, the racial
profiling

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or, you know, post 9/11
there was a Sikh

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share thing that was
taken off a train,

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part of the see
something, say something.

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But people didn't know
what they were seeing

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and said something that
was incorrect.

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And unfortunately we
saw that effect

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our community more largely.

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So SALDEF has been committed
for the past 25 years

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to education on SIKH awareness.

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We have partnered with a number
of different federal agencies,

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TSA, FBI, DHS, DOJ, and we've
done a lot of programming

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around know your rights.

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So ensuring that our community
gets to know federal

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and state partners

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and understand what
the issues are,

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you know, what are some
of the resources

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that can be provided and
the federal agencies

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can understand what issues
our community is facing,

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what we're seeing.

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And I think that partnership
has been going well.

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I know there has been certainly
a difference in the way

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that our community's been
treated, for example, by TSA.

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There's been more understanding
with law enforcement

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in terms of our
articles of faith.

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SALDEF actually started our law
enforcement partnership program

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several years back.

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I think it was over a decade ago
when we had a Sikh American

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who called because of a break in

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and was actually then taken
in to the Department

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because of an
article of faith,

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the Girbon [phonetic].

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So a misunderstanding
of who we are.

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Obviously there is issues
around the turban,

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what that means and I think that

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it's important for again that
education piece to be there.

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But the second part again is
building that partnership

00:24:08.681 --> 00:24:13.585
and having the experience
with the community

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for the community
members to understand.

00:24:15.654 --> 00:24:17.022
So again through our know
your rights forums,

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through our community
partnerships

00:24:19.258 --> 00:24:22.394
and our faith partnerships
we've explored

00:24:22.394 --> 00:24:25.364
really taking that
message to the community,

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having them build trust
in the partnerships,

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but also having them
change their mindset.

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You know, as a community,
and I think all of our

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faith communities we
are taught to be open,

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accepting our houses of worship,

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particularly for
the Sikh community

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we proud ourselves on
inviting everyone in.

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We serve lunger [phonetic] free
meal to anyone that, you know,

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comes regardless of your faith,
your background, your ethnicity.

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So I think just kind of
trying to marry that

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and have people understand that,

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yeah, you do have
to be vigilant;

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trainings are necessary.

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Unfortunately, we do need
to look at prevention

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and not everybody that
enters a house of worship

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is doing it because

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they're coming there for the
same reasons that we're there

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and we hope that everyone comes
in and joins our service.

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So I think those are
some things that

00:25:22.654 --> 00:25:24.957
as a community we've looked at

00:25:24.957 --> 00:25:26.892
and I think those are
some challenges again

00:25:26.892 --> 00:25:30.229
that we face really in terms
of changing the mindset

00:25:30.229 --> 00:25:33.732
and having people be more
proactive in our community.

00:25:33.732 --> 00:25:38.303
I will say that I was involved
with the aftermath at Oak Creek.

00:25:38.303 --> 00:25:43.675
Our community does, that is an
active growth ware [phonetic]

00:25:43.675 --> 00:25:45.878
so we do have people
going in and out.

00:25:45.878 --> 00:25:49.281
But there has been a lot of
partnership with other faith

00:25:49.281 --> 00:25:51.950
communities in the area
and understanding

00:25:51.950 --> 00:25:54.019
if there's a threat
in one community

00:25:54.019 --> 00:25:55.854
or one house of worship.

00:25:55.854 --> 00:25:59.224
There has been a system where
that gets communicated

00:25:59.224 --> 00:26:02.261
back to local law
enforcement, to the FBI.

00:26:02.261 --> 00:26:04.496
And so that I think is
really important that we,

00:26:04.496 --> 00:26:06.231
obviously there's threats

00:26:06.231 --> 00:26:08.567
against all of our
communities unfortunately

00:26:08.567 --> 00:26:10.436
but making sure that we
have that information

00:26:10.436 --> 00:26:12.938
that's going back to partners

00:26:12.938 --> 00:26:15.774
and to those in the law
enforcement community

00:26:15.774 --> 00:26:16.975
so that they can track it

00:26:16.975 --> 00:26:18.811
I think is certainly one
way that we can work

00:26:18.811 --> 00:26:22.448
together collaboratively
for prevention.

00:26:22.448 --> 00:26:23.549
>>Thank you very much.

00:26:23.549 --> 00:26:26.552
One of the common themes that
I'm starting to hear

00:26:26.552 --> 00:26:29.188
and I'm sure we'll
continue to pick up with,

00:26:29.188 --> 00:26:30.756
so, one, resilience and,

00:26:30.756 --> 00:26:35.260
two, the power of relationships
and social connection both with

00:26:35.260 --> 00:26:38.564
government, but then also in
between communities as well.

00:26:38.564 --> 00:26:42.634
I appreciate you Kiran laying
out some examples specifically

00:26:42.634 --> 00:26:45.103
in communities that
have been impacted also.

00:26:45.103 --> 00:26:50.742
Let's go over to Salam for a
Muslim Public Affairs Council.

00:26:50.742 --> 00:26:54.279
So we'd love to hear more
about the organization

00:26:54.279 --> 00:26:56.415
and ways that some of the people

00:26:56.415 --> 00:26:58.550
on the call today
can work with the

00:26:58.550 --> 00:27:01.019
Muslim Public Affairs
Council to prevent

00:27:01.019 --> 00:27:02.955
acts of targeted violence.

00:27:02.955 --> 00:27:06.859
>>Thank you. Thank you
very much, Marcus.

00:27:06.859 --> 00:27:11.263
I just wanted to underscore
the interconnectivity point

00:27:11.263 --> 00:27:15.000
Michael Masters and I and
I think John Picarelli

00:27:15.000 --> 00:27:18.003
and others were at Pittsburgh

00:27:18.003 --> 00:27:24.109
last week for the
Anti-hate Global Summit.

00:27:24.109 --> 00:27:27.713
And we were commemorating the
attack on the Tree of Life.

00:27:27.713 --> 00:27:34.853
And the underpinning of that
attack was the conspiracy theory

00:27:34.853 --> 00:27:39.291
that Jews were financing
Muslims to come across

00:27:39.291 --> 00:27:43.562
the Southern borders
to kill Christians.

00:27:43.562 --> 00:27:48.500
And I think that in too
many incidents we find

00:27:48.500 --> 00:27:51.737
that the attack is
against one community

00:27:51.737 --> 00:27:56.008
but the narrative is
about all of us.

00:27:56.008 --> 00:28:03.081
The attack on the Oak Creek Sikh
Temple was done because

00:28:03.081 --> 00:28:07.319
it was thought of as an
attack against Muslims.

00:28:07.319 --> 00:28:09.655
So the person didn't know
the distinction between

00:28:09.655 --> 00:28:14.560
Sikhs and Muslims, yet
that was the narrative.

00:28:14.560 --> 00:28:17.629
So we are in this together.

00:28:17.629 --> 00:28:20.299
And the way we work as a Muslim
Public Affairs Council,

00:28:20.299 --> 00:28:22.734
we work with our
partners in government,

00:28:22.734 --> 00:28:24.670
our partners in law enforcement,

00:28:24.670 --> 00:28:28.540
but really it comes down to
working with civil society

00:28:28.540 --> 00:28:34.146
and the partnership between and
among all of our organizations.

00:28:34.146 --> 00:28:38.617
We are partners and
protectors for one another.

00:28:38.617 --> 00:28:42.521
I was part of a task force under
the Department of Homeland

00:28:42.521 --> 00:28:46.525
Security looking
at these incidents.

00:28:46.525 --> 00:28:51.263
We visited Poway and
the synagogue there

00:28:51.263 --> 00:28:53.732
and found that the person

00:28:53.732 --> 00:28:56.868
who attacked the
synagogue and killed people

00:28:56.868 --> 00:29:02.007
there was the same person
who fire bombed the mosque

00:29:02.007 --> 00:29:05.410
ten miles down the
road in Escondido.

00:29:05.410 --> 00:29:09.381
And he had invoked New
Zealand for that attack.

00:29:09.381 --> 00:29:14.019
So it's the interconnectivity
and on top of that

00:29:14.019 --> 00:29:19.224
there are two important
observations.

00:29:19.224 --> 00:29:23.462
Number one hate has no religion.

00:29:23.462 --> 00:29:28.400
These people do not belong
to any faith community.

00:29:28.400 --> 00:29:31.837
They may use religion,
they may politicize it,

00:29:31.837 --> 00:29:34.773
they may use it as a vehicle,

00:29:34.773 --> 00:29:38.710
but they do not belong
in any of our faiths.

00:29:38.710 --> 00:29:44.082
And at the end of the day it's
between them and our creator.

00:29:44.082 --> 00:29:50.155
So we do not, you know, so our
voices in making clear

00:29:50.155 --> 00:29:53.258
where we stand as
faith communities

00:29:53.258 --> 00:29:54.893
and where these
violent extremists

00:29:54.893 --> 00:29:57.763
stand is important.

00:29:57.763 --> 00:30:01.066
And that these, no matter
what we're talking about,

00:30:01.066 --> 00:30:03.402
whether it's ISIS

00:30:03.402 --> 00:30:10.909
or White Supremacy now they're
all transnational threats.

00:30:10.909 --> 00:30:14.146
The White Supremacist we'll talk
about New Zealand and Norway

00:30:14.146 --> 00:30:16.815
and Neo Nazis in Europe
and so on and so forth.

00:30:16.815 --> 00:30:20.485
So I think one of the issues
that we need to be talking about

00:30:20.485 --> 00:30:23.055
from a public policy
standpoint is at

00:30:23.055 --> 00:30:27.392
what point is domestic not
really domestic?

00:30:27.392 --> 00:30:29.227
Are we just using domestic
simply because

00:30:29.227 --> 00:30:31.430
the person is White?

00:30:31.430 --> 00:30:34.032
And we use international
and foreign because

00:30:34.032 --> 00:30:35.867
the person is Muslim.

00:30:35.867 --> 00:30:40.405
So we need to think about that
policy and how it impacts

00:30:40.405 --> 00:30:43.508
not just the way
we're countering it,

00:30:43.508 --> 00:30:47.879
but the way it can be
used to recruit

00:30:47.879 --> 00:30:53.118
more people into
violent extremism.

00:30:53.118 --> 00:30:58.457
The other point, observation is
that at the end of the day

00:30:58.457 --> 00:31:04.362
it really is that relationship
of trust between

00:31:04.362 --> 00:31:05.664
the local community

00:31:05.664 --> 00:31:09.301
and law enforcement that is
the most critical step.

00:31:09.301 --> 00:31:13.004
And I applaud our
administration,

00:31:13.004 --> 00:31:15.574
the Assistant
Secretary spoke today,

00:31:15.574 --> 00:31:19.578
John Picarelli and
John Cohen with whom

00:31:19.578 --> 00:31:23.982
we all work closely, in
trying to rebuild that trust

00:31:23.982 --> 00:31:27.052
with the government
and law enforcement.

00:31:27.052 --> 00:31:31.923
I believe CRCL, Civil Rights,
Civil Liberties Division

00:31:31.923 --> 00:31:34.860
is critical in
rebuilding that trust

00:31:34.860 --> 00:31:36.495
at the forums that they've had.

00:31:36.495 --> 00:31:40.365
The last thing I want to say in
terms of the work we did with

00:31:40.365 --> 00:31:44.469
the Task Force is that there are
protective security advisors

00:31:44.469 --> 00:31:48.340
that come out and do threat
assessments of infrastructure.

00:31:48.340 --> 00:31:50.475
And this is done for free.

00:31:50.475 --> 00:31:54.746
And every house of
worship should take

00:31:54.746 --> 00:31:57.015
advantage of that service,

00:31:57.015 --> 00:31:59.417
but more importantly
there are not enough of these

00:31:59.417 --> 00:32:01.953
advisors that go
around the country.

00:32:01.953 --> 00:32:06.358
We were in Jackson,
Mississippi, our Task Force,

00:32:06.358 --> 00:32:10.028
I think Todd you were
with us in Jackson.

00:32:10.028 --> 00:32:15.534
And Jackson, Mississippi,
Benny Thompson was there,

00:32:15.534 --> 00:32:16.701
the Secretary at that time,

00:32:16.701 --> 00:32:18.904
the Acting Secretary of
Homeland Security was there,

00:32:18.904 --> 00:32:23.341
we spoke and we found
out that we only had

00:32:23.341 --> 00:32:27.345
one protective security advisor
for that whole region

00:32:27.345 --> 00:32:30.749
that maybe encompasses
five states

00:32:30.749 --> 00:32:34.619
and only $40,000 from
the security fund

00:32:34.619 --> 00:32:39.624
for protection of the
infrastructure for five states.

00:32:39.624 --> 00:32:44.896
So we need to think about
developing equity

00:32:44.896 --> 00:32:47.933
in the disbursement of funds

00:32:47.933 --> 00:32:54.272
and the way we commission our
protective security advisors to

00:32:54.272 --> 00:32:58.810
and other federal officers
in protecting

00:32:58.810 --> 00:33:02.981
our houses of worship.
Thank you.

00:33:02.981 --> 00:33:05.450
>>Thank you, Salam. I
appreciate your remarks

00:33:05.450 --> 00:33:08.420
and I think the piece
that sticks with me

00:33:08.420 --> 00:33:11.056
that kind of builds on a
consistent theme is relationship

00:33:11.056 --> 00:33:14.559
of trust between the faith
community and civic society

00:33:14.559 --> 00:33:16.461
and making sure that we drive
that we drive that trust

00:33:16.461 --> 00:33:19.831
and that relationship building
down to the most local level.

00:33:19.831 --> 00:33:24.903
It's going to be that local
pastor, rabbi, imam,

00:33:24.903 --> 00:33:26.671
head of a Sikh gurudwara,

00:33:26.671 --> 00:33:28.473
working with local
law enforcement

00:33:28.473 --> 00:33:30.542
and building that
trust over time

00:33:30.542 --> 00:33:35.247
that is absolutely critical,
appreciate that.

00:33:35.247 --> 00:33:38.016
And your remarks and your
thoughts about some specific

00:33:38.016 --> 00:33:41.419
things from a policy perspective
of what would be helpful

00:33:41.419 --> 00:33:43.922
as we continue to expand
the conversation about

00:33:43.922 --> 00:33:48.093
how we continue to prevent
acts of targeted violence.

00:33:48.093 --> 00:33:51.930
Todd Richins, let's go over to
you, a little bit about

00:33:51.930 --> 00:33:54.132
the Church of Latter-day
Saint Security

00:33:54.132 --> 00:33:56.434
and some specific ways
that organizations

00:33:56.434 --> 00:33:58.503
can work with
your organization

00:33:58.503 --> 00:34:01.539
or that your organization does
working with the community.

00:34:01.539 --> 00:34:03.341
>>Yeah, thank you, Marcus.

00:34:03.341 --> 00:34:07.212
And so in the Church of Jesus
Christ of Latter-day Saints is a

00:34:07.212 --> 00:34:10.682
global organization and I work
for the security department

00:34:10.682 --> 00:34:12.517
for that organization.

00:34:12.517 --> 00:34:14.352
And so we handle many things.

00:34:14.352 --> 00:34:17.255
A recent one is
the coo in Sudan,

00:34:17.255 --> 00:34:18.556
which we were looking
after members

00:34:18.556 --> 00:34:21.693
that we had there and
how to serve them.

00:34:21.693 --> 00:34:27.299
So my direct responsibility is
for United States and Canada.

00:34:27.299 --> 00:34:28.433
And within the United States

00:34:28.433 --> 00:34:31.236
and Canada we have about
7,500 meeting houses

00:34:31.236 --> 00:34:34.506
or chapels and each of them will
have about two congregations

00:34:34.506 --> 00:34:38.777
in each of them and then we
have about 120 temples.

00:34:38.777 --> 00:34:41.346
And many of you familiar with
the Washington, D.C. temple,

00:34:41.346 --> 00:34:43.682
so the edifice is like that.

00:34:43.682 --> 00:34:46.651
And then we work with local
leaders, ecclesiastical leaders

00:34:46.651 --> 00:34:49.921
on the local levels really
to deal with the issues

00:34:49.921 --> 00:34:52.490
that they're seeing on a
day to day basis

00:34:52.490 --> 00:34:54.326
and help prepare for them.

00:34:54.326 --> 00:34:56.828
So what I've realized
in doing this,

00:34:56.828 --> 00:35:00.565
and a lot of these items that
I'll say have already been said,

00:35:00.565 --> 00:35:03.301
but from my point of
view partnerships.

00:35:03.301 --> 00:35:06.571
And recently in
the climate today.

00:35:06.571 --> 00:35:08.306
I'll come about this a
little bit different too.

00:35:08.306 --> 00:35:10.041
I'm a security expert.

00:35:10.041 --> 00:35:14.546
So that's what I do,
security for the church.

00:35:14.546 --> 00:35:18.516
But what we've seen is in
the social climate today

00:35:18.516 --> 00:35:20.118
a lot of people seem to point

00:35:20.118 --> 00:35:22.554
and say you need to fix this,

00:35:22.554 --> 00:35:23.822
you need to have that.

00:35:23.822 --> 00:35:26.157
And really partnerships
are not like that.

00:35:26.157 --> 00:35:27.425
Partnerships are saying we.

00:35:27.425 --> 00:35:29.694
We need to tackle this?

00:35:29.694 --> 00:35:31.496
How can we work together?

00:35:31.496 --> 00:35:33.431
And I think that's one of
the things that I've seen

00:35:33.431 --> 00:35:36.101
and I've worked with
many on this panel

00:35:36.101 --> 00:35:38.236
and each one of
these individuals

00:35:38.236 --> 00:35:40.071
you know they have
a love in their heart

00:35:40.071 --> 00:35:42.173
for what they're doing
and want to do it.

00:35:42.173 --> 00:35:44.643
And I hear a lot of
we's in this group.

00:35:44.643 --> 00:35:46.244
And so that's a positive.

00:35:46.244 --> 00:35:47.512
But I think that's one
of the biggest things

00:35:47.512 --> 00:35:49.981
I take away is we need
to work together.

00:35:49.981 --> 00:35:51.082
We need to fix this.

00:35:51.082 --> 00:35:53.585
We can't wait for
someone else to fix it.

00:35:53.585 --> 00:35:57.989
The other things that I kind of
come away with is preparedness,

00:35:57.989 --> 00:36:00.625
for prevention and awareness
for our local leaders

00:36:00.625 --> 00:36:02.794
a lot of our
eccliastical leaders

00:36:02.794 --> 00:36:05.263
their number one goal
is the spiritual

00:36:05.263 --> 00:36:08.633
salvation of their parishioners.

00:36:08.633 --> 00:36:11.669
Security sometimes can
take a second seat

00:36:11.669 --> 00:36:13.905
or a backseat to that.

00:36:13.905 --> 00:36:17.175
And so one of our aims is to get
the information into their hands

00:36:17.175 --> 00:36:20.745
to make it simple and easy
to use with resources

00:36:20.745 --> 00:36:22.580
that they can get,

00:36:22.580 --> 00:36:25.116
so it's not a difficult
thing to mitigate

00:36:25.116 --> 00:36:27.018
or to solve those issues.

00:36:27.018 --> 00:36:29.788
And so one of the big things we
look at is let's make sure

00:36:29.788 --> 00:36:32.991
every eccleastical leader
has basic information

00:36:32.991 --> 00:36:34.159
and then we put together

00:36:34.159 --> 00:36:37.996
a two page document
with they can come to us

00:36:37.996 --> 00:36:39.864
if they need further information

00:36:39.864 --> 00:36:42.467
or if we need a
security assessment

00:36:42.467 --> 00:36:45.437
and provide even more
security technology

00:36:45.437 --> 00:36:49.774
or some physical prevention
methods to help that.

00:36:49.774 --> 00:36:52.043
So that's the biggest thing
that we've seen as well

00:36:52.043 --> 00:36:54.045
is the getting it into the hands

00:36:54.045 --> 00:36:55.780
and it has to be really done,

00:36:55.780 --> 00:36:57.415
and I know that Salam said this,

00:36:57.415 --> 00:36:58.616
and I think a few
others have said this,

00:36:58.616 --> 00:37:01.686
on that community level.

00:37:01.686 --> 00:37:05.557
I do a great job and we can do a
great job in making partnerships

00:37:05.557 --> 00:37:08.726
with DHS and with
other individuals,

00:37:08.726 --> 00:37:11.329
which are very valuable.
We really enjoyed them.

00:37:11.329 --> 00:37:13.598
And I think we've been able
to accomplish a lot

00:37:13.598 --> 00:37:14.966
through those partnerships.

00:37:14.966 --> 00:37:16.968
But the partnerships on
the community level

00:37:16.968 --> 00:37:18.236
or on the local level

00:37:18.236 --> 00:37:21.773
seems to really get
a lot of traction

00:37:21.773 --> 00:37:25.410
and benefits to
having that where,

00:37:25.410 --> 00:37:28.213
you know, you have two
houses of worship

00:37:28.213 --> 00:37:31.282
next to each other or close by,
maybe one meets on Saturday,

00:37:31.282 --> 00:37:33.551
one meets on Sunday,

00:37:33.551 --> 00:37:35.687
you can watch each
other's places,

00:37:35.687 --> 00:37:38.256
have an eye out for
them, simple things.

00:37:38.256 --> 00:37:40.391
It doesn't take a
whole lot of effort.

00:37:40.391 --> 00:37:43.595
So we find that
is very valuable.

00:37:43.595 --> 00:37:46.931
So that's what we do in
my area of responsibility.

00:37:46.931 --> 00:37:49.567
It's really, we want to be
part of the solution

00:37:49.567 --> 00:37:52.270
and to help fix things.

00:37:52.270 --> 00:37:56.875
And I think that Salam and I
know that Michael and Kiran

00:37:56.875 --> 00:38:00.645
all have said something similar
that we need to work together

00:38:00.645 --> 00:38:02.480
to be that solution.

00:38:02.480 --> 00:38:05.216
And so that's a very positive
direction we're headed.

00:38:08.720 --> 00:38:12.724
>>And Todd we are thankful
for you in the remarks.

00:38:12.724 --> 00:38:15.994
And I think that you're right in
terms of thinking about

00:38:15.994 --> 00:38:19.030
moving in a positive direction
the importance of again

00:38:19.030 --> 00:38:21.666
that local connection,
that local team.

00:38:21.666 --> 00:38:23.668
John, let's close out with you.

00:38:23.668 --> 00:38:27.605
If you'd talk a little bit about
of course your distinct in that

00:38:27.605 --> 00:38:30.074
you are a local government
representative.

00:38:30.074 --> 00:38:33.978
But you also have a role
in the faith community.

00:38:33.978 --> 00:38:37.348
So we'd love to hear more about
your work from the D.C. position

00:38:37.348 --> 00:38:40.752
and then let's, as you're
closing your remarks

00:38:40.752 --> 00:38:41.886
if you can think through

00:38:41.886 --> 00:38:45.089
one practical recommendation
that some of the faith leaders

00:38:45.089 --> 00:38:47.826
that may be joining us today
can kind of take

00:38:47.826 --> 00:38:51.729
as they're having local
conversations with their city

00:38:51.729 --> 00:38:55.233
or county or state counterparts.

00:38:55.233 --> 00:38:56.701
>>You bet. Thanks, Marcus.

00:38:56.701 --> 00:39:00.338
It was great to meet in person
both Michael and Salam.

00:39:00.338 --> 00:39:02.640
Salam mentioned the Eradicate
Hate conference that was

00:39:02.640 --> 00:39:07.779
in Pittsburgh that was
a beautiful energy.

00:39:07.779 --> 00:39:11.249
I mean, there were hundreds of
people that gathered both online

00:39:11.249 --> 00:39:14.919
and in person for the first ever
Eradicate Hate conference

00:39:14.919 --> 00:39:17.055
that many of you attended.

00:39:17.055 --> 00:39:20.325
It was great just to see
that energy behind

00:39:20.325 --> 00:39:22.293
completely eradicating hate,

00:39:22.293 --> 00:39:24.662
both here domestically
within the U.S.

00:39:24.662 --> 00:39:26.197
and international as well.

00:39:26.197 --> 00:39:29.267
So I was excited to see
that energy, go back to

00:39:29.267 --> 00:39:33.438
many of our jurisdications
and states and localities.

00:39:33.438 --> 00:39:34.639
As I mentioned I
work in our

00:39:34.639 --> 00:39:36.975
D.C. Fusion Center in
Washington, D.C.

00:39:36.975 --> 00:39:39.477
I work with an amazing team
of intelligence analysts

00:39:39.477 --> 00:39:41.679
and staff that serve
the District of Columbia

00:39:41.679 --> 00:39:43.715
in our National Capital Region.

00:39:43.715 --> 00:39:46.017
A little background on me,
I came to HSEMA

00:39:46.017 --> 00:39:47.886
with a background
in law enforcement

00:39:47.886 --> 00:39:51.656
having served as a sworn
D.C. police officer

00:39:51.656 --> 00:39:55.994
and also spent a number of years
working on the civilian side

00:39:55.994 --> 00:39:58.529
as well in NPDs
Intelligence Unit within

00:39:58.529 --> 00:40:00.598
their Homeland Security Bureau.

00:40:00.598 --> 00:40:03.201
Prior to my work at HSEMA I
served as the Deputy Director

00:40:03.201 --> 00:40:06.137
at the Office of Neighborhood
Safety and Engagement.

00:40:06.137 --> 00:40:08.806
In that role I was responsible
for leading coordination of

00:40:08.806 --> 00:40:12.510
responses to work with the
families of decedents

00:40:12.510 --> 00:40:14.646
directly impacted by homicides

00:40:14.646 --> 00:40:17.315
and non-fatal shootings in
the District.

00:40:17.315 --> 00:40:18.816
I also worked for
the Office of the

00:40:18.816 --> 00:40:20.018
Deputy Mayor of Public Safety

00:40:20.018 --> 00:40:22.954
and Justice here in
D.C. And prior to coming on

00:40:22.954 --> 00:40:25.657
board at the Deputy Mayor's
Office I worked with NPD

00:40:25.657 --> 00:40:28.092
as well as a civilian
as I mentioned.

00:40:28.092 --> 00:40:31.763
I began my career serving as a
youth pastor here in D.C.,

00:40:31.763 --> 00:40:34.499
in Chinatown at a
local D.C. church

00:40:34.499 --> 00:40:36.401
and I remain an
ordained minister

00:40:36.401 --> 00:40:37.835
and I've spent a
decade volunteering

00:40:37.835 --> 00:40:39.504
as an associate pastor at

00:40:39.504 --> 00:40:41.372
Matthews Memorial
Baptist Church,

00:40:41.372 --> 00:40:44.309
it's just down the street from
our office in the District.

00:40:44.309 --> 00:40:48.513
I joined HSEMA in 2019 and in
that year we kicked off

00:40:48.513 --> 00:40:51.683
what we call the Interfaith
PreparednessAdvisory Group,

00:40:51.683 --> 00:40:52.884
the IPAG.

00:40:52.884 --> 00:40:55.119
And so I wanted to give a
little background on the IPAG.

00:40:55.119 --> 00:40:59.657
Michael's team from NCN are
heavily involved with our work

00:40:59.657 --> 00:41:03.695
within our Jewish community
within the District.

00:41:03.695 --> 00:41:06.831
The idea was to sponsor between
three different entities.

00:41:06.831 --> 00:41:09.367
So we have the Mayor's Office
of Religious Affairs,

00:41:09.367 --> 00:41:10.868
we have the D.C.
Police Department,

00:41:10.868 --> 00:41:13.438
our local PD and HSEMA.

00:41:13.438 --> 00:41:16.975
And those three agencies
together co-lead the IPAG.

00:41:16.975 --> 00:41:18.810
One of the great things about
the IPAG is we didn't have

00:41:18.810 --> 00:41:21.746
to create a line item
to kick start this.

00:41:21.746 --> 00:41:23.948
So that's one of my things
to the faith community.

00:41:23.948 --> 00:41:26.351
When we first started it was
really just organizing on

00:41:26.351 --> 00:41:28.319
the local level between
law enforcement

00:41:28.319 --> 00:41:30.254
and the faith community.

00:41:30.254 --> 00:41:32.490
We've built some things over
the last couple of years

00:41:32.490 --> 00:41:35.827
and been able to use some
resources from DHS,

00:41:35.827 --> 00:41:37.495
the nonprofit security grants

00:41:37.495 --> 00:41:39.997
are an amazing tool that
we're able to go in

00:41:39.997 --> 00:41:43.101
and as Todd mentioned do
those security assessments

00:41:43.101 --> 00:41:45.103
when a congregation needs one

00:41:45.103 --> 00:41:49.040
and then help them apply for
those DHS non-security,

00:41:49.040 --> 00:41:51.075
nonprofit security grants.

00:41:51.075 --> 00:41:54.212
But to kick it off this
took no funding at all.

00:41:54.212 --> 00:41:55.913
We've all seen how
disasters start

00:41:55.913 --> 00:41:57.482
and end in the local community

00:41:57.482 --> 00:42:01.185
and when a disaster disrupts the
city's day to day operations

00:42:01.185 --> 00:42:02.854
it not only causes
loss in revenue it also

00:42:02.854 --> 00:42:06.457
slows down that community's
ability to recovery.

00:42:06.457 --> 00:42:09.093
And so in D.C. ensuring that
the local faith community

00:42:09.093 --> 00:42:10.361
was prepared to respond

00:42:10.361 --> 00:42:14.399
and recover to help expedite
the recovery process

00:42:14.399 --> 00:42:16.901
allows the District to
return to normalcy sooner

00:42:16.901 --> 00:42:19.904
and with the support of our
local faith leaders.

00:42:19.904 --> 00:42:22.673
Kiran and Marcus both of you
mentioned resilience

00:42:22.673 --> 00:42:23.641
and that's something

00:42:23.641 --> 00:42:25.643
that we're building
out of the IPAG within

00:42:25.643 --> 00:42:27.311
our local faith community.

00:42:27.311 --> 00:42:30.181
In D.C. right now we currently
have 150 congregations

00:42:30.181 --> 00:42:32.150
that are a part of the IPAG.

00:42:32.150 --> 00:42:34.118
Most of our larger
synagogues and temples

00:42:34.118 --> 00:42:36.287
and churches are all members.

00:42:36.287 --> 00:42:38.756
They either have security staff
that are representative

00:42:38.756 --> 00:42:42.527
or the pastor or rabbi serve
as the main representative.

00:42:42.527 --> 00:42:44.062
And it's really just to
assist faith leaders

00:42:44.062 --> 00:42:46.431
in the immediate response and
recovery to disasters

00:42:46.431 --> 00:42:49.467
and help their congregations
prepare and stay safe.

00:42:49.467 --> 00:42:54.305
And that's part of the reason
we kicked it off back in 2019.

00:42:54.305 --> 00:42:57.074
And we also ensure that
information flow happens on

00:42:57.074 --> 00:42:59.777
a steady stream, so when we
have information about

00:42:59.777 --> 00:43:00.978
First Amendment events

00:43:00.978 --> 00:43:03.714
that might impact their place
of worship on a Saturday

00:43:03.714 --> 00:43:05.917
or on a Sunday or
throughout the week,

00:43:05.917 --> 00:43:07.218
we get that information

00:43:07.218 --> 00:43:09.487
and those road closures out
to the faith community

00:43:09.487 --> 00:43:12.356
through the IPAG on
our list serves.

00:43:12.356 --> 00:43:16.127
I mentioned we kicked it
off in February of 2019.

00:43:16.127 --> 00:43:18.529
John Cohen was actually
our keynote speaker

00:43:18.529 --> 00:43:20.231
when he was up at Rutgers.

00:43:20.231 --> 00:43:21.933
He came and gave an
overview of threats

00:43:21.933 --> 00:43:25.503
that houses of worship
faced in 2019.

00:43:25.503 --> 00:43:28.773
We intentionally served a
meal at our first event.

00:43:28.773 --> 00:43:32.276
So we had a large table we
set up as a banquet style

00:43:32.276 --> 00:43:33.778
and we had members of the clergy

00:43:33.778 --> 00:43:36.647
who had really never
met face to face,

00:43:36.647 --> 00:43:39.450
from different denominations,
from different faiths,

00:43:39.450 --> 00:43:40.918
from different
quadrants of the city

00:43:40.918 --> 00:43:43.287
all sitting together
and sharing a meal

00:43:43.287 --> 00:43:45.590
with the Chief of Police
and our Director of D.C.

00:43:45.590 --> 00:43:48.226
Homeland Security
and Emergency Management.

00:43:48.226 --> 00:43:52.163
And John Cohen and others
from DHS and SISA who came

00:43:52.163 --> 00:43:54.699
and just sat down and met
with them and broke bread.

00:43:54.699 --> 00:43:57.668
And we had our first kick
off then to the IPAG.

00:43:57.668 --> 00:43:59.804
We meet quarterly,
because of Covid

00:43:59.804 --> 00:44:02.507
we've been meeting virtually
the last two years.

00:44:02.507 --> 00:44:08.079
Our second IPAG meeting
was May 13th hosted

00:44:08.079 --> 00:44:09.947
at the National Cathedral.

00:44:09.947 --> 00:44:12.583
We brought together the
Reverend Eric Manning

00:44:12.583 --> 00:44:14.685
from Manual Aid New Church,

00:44:14.685 --> 00:44:17.488
Allan Houseman from the
Tree of Life Synagogue,

00:44:17.488 --> 00:44:20.024
who is the Emergency Manager
there in Pittsburgh

00:44:20.024 --> 00:44:22.693
and then Reverend Frank
Palmoroy [phonetic]

00:44:22.693 --> 00:44:24.262
and Sherry Palmoroy
from Southerland

00:44:24.262 --> 00:44:26.097
Springs Baptist Church.

00:44:26.097 --> 00:44:27.932
And it was the first time where
those three congregations

00:44:27.932 --> 00:44:29.333
had been together.

00:44:29.333 --> 00:44:32.236
The Tree of Life and Emanuel
have done some amazing work,

00:44:32.236 --> 00:44:35.306
both behind the scenes and
out in front of cameras

00:44:35.306 --> 00:44:39.310
as far as reconciliation
between those groups

00:44:39.310 --> 00:44:41.312
and they unfortunately
have a common bond

00:44:41.312 --> 00:44:44.715
now of having a shared
experience with a mass shooting.

00:44:44.715 --> 00:44:46.918
But we brought together
the Palmaroys as well.

00:44:46.918 --> 00:44:49.654
And ABC's Pierre
Thomas moderated

00:44:49.654 --> 00:44:51.923
that event at the
National Cathedral.

00:44:51.923 --> 00:44:53.424
We brought them
together in the morning

00:44:53.424 --> 00:44:54.792
and they met with
emergency managers

00:44:54.792 --> 00:44:56.027
from the District
and talked about

00:44:56.027 --> 00:44:58.162
how they handled their
act of violence

00:44:58.162 --> 00:45:02.033
at their place of worship,
how they recovered

00:45:02.033 --> 00:45:04.669
and how they've gone through
that shared journey.

00:45:04.669 --> 00:45:06.938
And in that night they spoke at
the Cathedral to the members of

00:45:06.938 --> 00:45:10.207
our IPAG in the faith
community as well.

00:45:10.207 --> 00:45:13.110
So I spent the last, the three
days with those leaders

00:45:13.110 --> 00:45:16.280
and we all became
amazing friends

00:45:16.280 --> 00:45:18.916
over the course of
that trip to D.C.

00:45:18.916 --> 00:45:20.451
Some of our other
IPAGmeetings

00:45:20.451 --> 00:45:22.353
we've hosted Until Help Arrives,

00:45:22.353 --> 00:45:24.155
it's the Stop the
Bleed training

00:45:24.155 --> 00:45:26.390
that's been offered
around the country.

00:45:26.390 --> 00:45:29.894
So we conducted those trainings
at our member congregations

00:45:29.894 --> 00:45:31.562
and then offered them tech kits

00:45:31.562 --> 00:45:33.364
so it's the emergency
trauma kits

00:45:33.364 --> 00:45:35.132
that they were able to install
in the front of their

00:45:35.132 --> 00:45:37.768
synagogue or house of worship.

00:45:37.768 --> 00:45:39.503
And then we've also worked
with DHS to provide

00:45:39.503 --> 00:45:42.173
those security grant
assessments when needed.

00:45:42.173 --> 00:45:46.477
So every year when it comes for
grant season we make the rounds.

00:45:46.477 --> 00:45:49.246
Michael's team here locally
here in D.C. have joined us

00:45:49.246 --> 00:45:53.851
on those site assessments as
well as our D.C. police

00:45:53.851 --> 00:45:55.319
and or other agencies

00:45:55.319 --> 00:45:58.389
that make the rounds
and help them sort of do,

00:45:58.389 --> 00:46:01.192
conduct that site assessment and
then SISA is able to help us

00:46:01.192 --> 00:46:06.197
put that on paper for them
for the grant purpose.

00:46:06.197 --> 00:46:08.933
So I'll pass it
back to you Marcus.

00:46:08.933 --> 00:46:12.603
As far as what the group can do,
who are listening,

00:46:12.603 --> 00:46:14.138
if they're members of
the faith community

00:46:14.138 --> 00:46:15.573
who would like to get involved,

00:46:15.573 --> 00:46:17.508
you know, IPAG was spearheaded

00:46:17.508 --> 00:46:19.944
from the government
side of the house,

00:46:19.944 --> 00:46:21.479
but if you're
able to go in

00:46:21.479 --> 00:46:23.414
and meet with your
local police chief

00:46:23.414 --> 00:46:25.182
or your local or
city administrator

00:46:25.182 --> 00:46:27.518
and get their interest.

00:46:27.518 --> 00:46:30.488
You know, every state
has a Fusion Center,

00:46:30.488 --> 00:46:32.023
like we have in the District,

00:46:32.023 --> 00:46:33.791
and if you're able
to get both buy in

00:46:33.791 --> 00:46:35.593
from the local PD

00:46:35.593 --> 00:46:40.865
and perhaps the city to
start something like the IPAG,

00:46:40.865 --> 00:46:43.301
you know it really, it didn't
cost the city anything

00:46:43.301 --> 00:46:45.002
to get it going

00:46:45.002 --> 00:46:47.605
and it's something that
we can hope to ...

00:46:47.605 --> 00:46:48.939
as everyone mentioned,

00:46:48.939 --> 00:46:50.975
Todd and Michael and
Kiran and Salam

00:46:50.975 --> 00:46:53.244
it's really think that network
between law enforcement

00:46:53.244 --> 00:46:55.179
and the faith community

00:46:55.179 --> 00:46:57.448
that we've seen
developed over the last couple

00:46:57.448 --> 00:46:58.916
of years here in D.C.

00:46:58.916 --> 00:47:01.319
>>Awesome. Now John
I love that man

00:47:01.319 --> 00:47:03.120
and I appreciate you
closing with kind of the

00:47:03.120 --> 00:47:05.956
practical recommendation
so this is

00:47:05.956 --> 00:47:08.125
and I think to
your point, right,

00:47:08.125 --> 00:47:10.628
if you're on the line and
you either represent

00:47:10.628 --> 00:47:14.065
local law enforcement or if
you're a faith leader maybe in

00:47:14.065 --> 00:47:17.201
another capacity, you work with
local law enforcement,

00:47:17.201 --> 00:47:19.403
that can be your starter
conversation, right?

00:47:19.403 --> 00:47:21.105
I was on the session today,

00:47:21.105 --> 00:47:23.240
or heard about this
thing called an IPAG

00:47:23.240 --> 00:47:25.810
and that can be a
starting conversation

00:47:25.810 --> 00:47:28.012
that the folks can
take back with them.

00:47:28.012 --> 00:47:30.281
I want to ask all of you,

00:47:30.281 --> 00:47:35.052
so you guys are doing
remarkable work nationally,

00:47:35.052 --> 00:47:36.887
but for the next
set of questions

00:47:36.887 --> 00:47:41.225
I want you to go back
to your personal

00:47:41.225 --> 00:47:45.062
or your home house of worship

00:47:45.062 --> 00:47:48.733
and let's think about for
that faith leader

00:47:48.733 --> 00:47:50.434
or that person that's
representing

00:47:50.434 --> 00:47:53.104
a faith community
that may be on a call

00:47:53.104 --> 00:47:56.440
that's starting
from complete zero,

00:47:56.440 --> 00:47:59.210
this is the first time they're
hearing the conversation

00:47:59.210 --> 00:48:00.411
or on the opposite, right,

00:48:00.411 --> 00:48:01.579
they've been tracking this topic

00:48:01.579 --> 00:48:04.915
for a long time but
it seems really big

00:48:04.915 --> 00:48:06.884
and there's a lot
to get done,

00:48:06.884 --> 00:48:09.086
there's a lot of
partners to have

00:48:09.086 --> 00:48:12.156
and they're looking for
just the first two key steps

00:48:12.156 --> 00:48:14.525
to take internally.

00:48:14.525 --> 00:48:16.527
Would love for each one
of you to provide

00:48:16.527 --> 00:48:19.397
what you would recommend is
the first conversation

00:48:19.397 --> 00:48:20.531
and kind of the first step

00:48:20.531 --> 00:48:23.334
that an organization
can take internally

00:48:23.334 --> 00:48:26.203
and then kind of picking up
on what John shared one step

00:48:26.203 --> 00:48:28.439
to take externally if we
talk about working with

00:48:28.439 --> 00:48:30.975
local law enforcement.

00:48:30.975 --> 00:48:36.180
Let's start with Kiran and then
we'll go around the horn

00:48:36.180 --> 00:48:37.715
and then we'll end
with Mr. Masters.

00:48:37.715 --> 00:48:39.717
So Kiran what's one
recommendation

00:48:39.717 --> 00:48:42.953
that you would have for a
local community leader

00:48:42.953 --> 00:48:44.121
or a local faith leader

00:48:44.121 --> 00:48:46.590
that's on the call today in
terms of like just that

00:48:46.590 --> 00:48:48.926
very first step
that they can take

00:48:48.926 --> 00:48:52.596
to help move toward
preventing targeted violence?

00:48:54.932 --> 00:48:57.268
Oh, we have you on mute.

00:49:00.070 --> 00:49:02.006
>>Sorry. I was going to
say for our community

00:49:02.006 --> 00:49:03.174
and it certainly
would extend this

00:49:03.174 --> 00:49:05.876
to other faith communities,
SALDEF has resources.

00:49:05.876 --> 00:49:10.915
So we're happy to you know
if you call SALDEF

00:49:10.915 --> 00:49:12.917
and I'm sure the
other organizations

00:49:12.917 --> 00:49:15.886
on this call
also have resources

00:49:15.886 --> 00:49:18.422
that they can provide so that
would be kind of step one.

00:49:18.422 --> 00:49:21.859
And I can certainly provide
my contact information.

00:49:21.859 --> 00:49:24.628
Step two, I think we've talked
about the relationship

00:49:24.628 --> 00:49:26.664
with local law enforcement.

00:49:26.664 --> 00:49:31.202
My first introduction to SALDEF
was doing law enforcement

00:49:31.202 --> 00:49:33.737
through our law enforcement
partnership program.

00:49:33.737 --> 00:49:36.574
And we literally, it
was in New Jersey,

00:49:36.574 --> 00:49:39.777
we literally just cold
called the state police,

00:49:39.777 --> 00:49:43.380
we cold called the local
police department.

00:49:43.380 --> 00:49:46.784
But that was kind of
the entry point

00:49:46.784 --> 00:49:49.086
to building that relationship.

00:49:49.086 --> 00:49:53.224
And I think all of the panelists
here today talked about

00:49:53.224 --> 00:49:54.625
the importance of relationships.

00:49:54.625 --> 00:49:57.094
So those would be my
two recommendations.

00:49:57.094 --> 00:49:59.363
The other recommendation
is to connect

00:49:59.363 --> 00:50:02.266
with other interfaith
groups in your area,

00:50:02.266 --> 00:50:06.303
because I think that's, as
we have talked about here

00:50:06.303 --> 00:50:10.741
this is not an issue that
one community faces alone.

00:50:10.741 --> 00:50:13.043
So I think that was
three recommendations.

00:50:13.043 --> 00:50:18.582
But I will pass that along
to the next panelist.

00:50:23.087 --> 00:50:24.355
>>Now you're muted.

00:50:24.355 --> 00:50:26.590
>>Yeah, I think you're on mute.

00:50:26.590 --> 00:50:28.392
>>Pure 2021.

00:50:28.392 --> 00:50:30.728
We're still living
with the mute button.

00:50:30.728 --> 00:50:33.898
But I was saying I think one
recommendation and I think

00:50:33.898 --> 00:50:35.633
and I appreciate that
is that there are

00:50:35.633 --> 00:50:37.167
a host of preexisting resources.

00:50:37.167 --> 00:50:38.836
I know I dropped
the SCN resources

00:50:38.836 --> 00:50:41.672
in the chat as an example.

00:50:41.672 --> 00:50:43.407
But let's get some more.

00:50:43.407 --> 00:50:48.412
So Salam when you're meeting
with members of the community,

00:50:48.412 --> 00:50:51.548
maybe you have a concerned
imam that is just,

00:50:51.548 --> 00:50:52.850
doesn't even know
where to start,

00:50:52.850 --> 00:50:55.419
what's one recommendation
you make for that imam

00:50:55.419 --> 00:50:57.054
or somebody who leads a
community center

00:50:57.054 --> 00:50:58.589
that they can take?

00:50:58.589 --> 00:51:03.661
>>Yeah, we actually visited the
mosque that was fire bombed

00:51:03.661 --> 00:51:06.797
in Minneapolis, Minnesota.

00:51:06.797 --> 00:51:10.134
And that place had no security.

00:51:10.134 --> 00:51:13.170
You could walk in and up in a
classroom without

00:51:13.170 --> 00:51:14.905
anybody asking you questions.

00:51:14.905 --> 00:51:20.377
So it was very, very
vulnerable at that time.

00:51:20.377 --> 00:51:26.650
The one good thing that happened
is that the Jewish community

00:51:26.650 --> 00:51:30.788
came to help support this mosque

00:51:30.788 --> 00:51:37.127
and helped them apply for
funding for security.

00:51:37.127 --> 00:51:45.569
And so in nonprofit speak it's
called best practices, right?

00:51:45.569 --> 00:51:49.807
So learning the best practices
of other organizations

00:51:49.807 --> 00:51:53.010
that have invested
resources in this

00:51:53.010 --> 00:51:55.112
and for our community
unfortunately

00:51:55.112 --> 00:51:57.314
we don't have that yet.

00:51:57.314 --> 00:52:02.686
So the Mormon, the Jewish,
the Sikh, SALDEF and SCN

00:52:02.686 --> 00:52:07.024
and LDS they have been
invaluable to our community

00:52:07.024 --> 00:52:09.059
and especially at
the local level

00:52:09.059 --> 00:52:11.829
where we have
gone to them

00:52:11.829 --> 00:52:16.066
and asked can you help
guide these communities,

00:52:16.066 --> 00:52:18.369
these mosques, in particular,

00:52:18.369 --> 00:52:21.872
to help get going
on the funding.

00:52:21.872 --> 00:52:24.842
And then internally of course
at the end of the day

00:52:24.842 --> 00:52:30.514
we all have to have a committee
led by a security person,

00:52:30.514 --> 00:52:31.749
even if that person's

00:52:31.749 --> 00:52:33.250
not a security professional
but the person

00:52:33.250 --> 00:52:38.255
who at least knows how to get in
touch with law enforcement,

00:52:38.255 --> 00:52:45.162
in touch with other communities
and begin the process.

00:52:45.162 --> 00:52:50.834
So those are the two things that
we determine from that visit.

00:52:50.834 --> 00:52:52.669
>>Awesome. Thank you
for that, Salam.

00:52:52.669 --> 00:52:56.407
And I appreciate you speaking
to right, internally.

00:52:56.407 --> 00:52:58.776
I know many of you from
houses of worship know this,

00:52:58.776 --> 00:53:00.344
everything is done by committee.

00:53:00.344 --> 00:53:02.813
So having that committee
could be the first step

00:53:02.813 --> 00:53:04.415
to make sure that
you have the team

00:53:04.415 --> 00:53:07.351
compiled that are
engaged there.

00:53:07.351 --> 00:53:10.187
What I dropped in the chat we
had actually worked with SCN

00:53:10.187 --> 00:53:12.489
and a few others on an
effort a few years back.

00:53:12.489 --> 00:53:15.826
I know he mentioned specifically
a fire bombing, an arsine,

00:53:15.826 --> 00:53:17.528
so what I dropped in
the chat for folks

00:53:17.528 --> 00:53:19.229
are some practical resources

00:53:19.229 --> 00:53:21.965
for arsine prevention
in houses of worship.

00:53:21.965 --> 00:53:23.233
That's something
that was developed

00:53:23.233 --> 00:53:25.436
with many of the
partners on this call

00:53:25.436 --> 00:53:28.839
and our colleagues at the U.S.
Fire Administration.

00:53:28.839 --> 00:53:30.507
And that provides some
practical steps,

00:53:30.507 --> 00:53:32.943
specifically as it
relates to threat,

00:53:32.943 --> 00:53:34.645
as it relates to arsine.

00:53:34.645 --> 00:53:36.246
Todd, let's kick it over to you.

00:53:36.246 --> 00:53:39.616
So we have right now, right,
checking existing resources,

00:53:39.616 --> 00:53:42.286
identifying members of the
committee, what's another step,

00:53:42.286 --> 00:53:45.089
Todd that you would recommend
to some of the leaders

00:53:45.089 --> 00:53:46.490
that you support or serve

00:53:46.490 --> 00:53:48.492
if they're looking
to get started

00:53:48.492 --> 00:53:50.227
with their organization?

00:53:50.227 --> 00:53:51.695
>>So I'll answer
this in two ways.

00:53:51.695 --> 00:53:53.931
One for the
ecclesiastical leaders

00:53:53.931 --> 00:53:56.934
that I support
directly and serve.

00:53:56.934 --> 00:53:59.937
We've already provided
resources for them, internet,

00:53:59.937 --> 00:54:01.605
so they can contact us directly

00:54:01.605 --> 00:54:04.708
and also a bunch of information
on how they get started,

00:54:04.708 --> 00:54:07.411
which includes
us coming in

00:54:07.411 --> 00:54:10.047
and doing a risk assessment
for their chapel.

00:54:10.047 --> 00:54:12.483
But for generically across
the board help share

00:54:12.483 --> 00:54:14.518
what I think is
best for everybody,

00:54:14.518 --> 00:54:16.386
if I was an ecclesiastic
leader in any faith

00:54:16.386 --> 00:54:18.222
I'd ask myself do I
want to own this

00:54:18.222 --> 00:54:20.457
or do I want someone
else to own it?

00:54:20.457 --> 00:54:21.892
Do I have the time?

00:54:21.892 --> 00:54:24.361
And then if I don't have the
time I would ask someone, and

00:54:24.361 --> 00:54:27.097
I think Salam just mentioned
assign someone to own that.

00:54:27.097 --> 00:54:29.733
And many times we have
found that someone

00:54:29.733 --> 00:54:31.335
with a lot of law
enforcement background

00:54:31.335 --> 00:54:33.270
may not be the best.

00:54:33.270 --> 00:54:34.471
Someone with
interpersonal skills,

00:54:34.471 --> 00:54:36.140
understand what needs to be done

00:54:36.140 --> 00:54:39.109
and can get things done
may be the best

00:54:39.109 --> 00:54:41.612
and can take direction from you
as an ecclesiastic leader.

00:54:41.612 --> 00:54:43.714
Sometimes law
enforcement is the best.

00:54:43.714 --> 00:54:45.482
You know the people
in your group,

00:54:45.482 --> 00:54:47.851
ask the best person for that.

00:54:47.851 --> 00:54:50.287
And then what I would say is
where I would start tackling it

00:54:50.287 --> 00:54:53.357
is no one enters your
facility that you don't know.

00:54:53.357 --> 00:54:56.226
So you have greeters at your
doors, you welcome people in,

00:54:56.226 --> 00:54:59.763
we're all very welcoming, that's
the whole goal is to have refuge

00:54:59.763 --> 00:55:02.533
and to be welcomed, be
part of a community.

00:55:02.533 --> 00:55:05.035
But you know you're in a
way screening people

00:55:05.035 --> 00:55:07.404
that come in by welcoming them,

00:55:07.404 --> 00:55:08.805
you know, welcome today,

00:55:08.805 --> 00:55:10.941
welcome to the service today.

00:55:10.941 --> 00:55:13.377
I don't recognize you,
are you new in the area?

00:55:13.377 --> 00:55:15.546
People that are up to
no good don't like

00:55:15.546 --> 00:55:17.481
to be asked questions.

00:55:17.481 --> 00:55:19.650
And that alone is
a wonderful way

00:55:19.650 --> 00:55:22.219
just as an easy way to start.

00:55:22.219 --> 00:55:25.556
The other one that
I would do is,

00:55:25.556 --> 00:55:28.125
you know, we talked a lot
about invite law enforcement

00:55:28.125 --> 00:55:30.394
and I'm very keen on
believing in that

00:55:30.394 --> 00:55:32.029
partnerships, relationships.

00:55:32.029 --> 00:55:34.631
We often miss though
your fire department,

00:55:34.631 --> 00:55:36.533
your other EMS services.

00:55:36.533 --> 00:55:39.236
And we find that those
are just as valuable.

00:55:39.236 --> 00:55:40.904
So it doesn't really
matter where you start

00:55:40.904 --> 00:55:43.707
in making those relationships.

00:55:43.707 --> 00:55:45.576
If you have a member
of your congregation

00:55:45.576 --> 00:55:47.778
that belongs to one
of them start there.

00:55:47.778 --> 00:55:49.112
Usually the fire department

00:55:49.112 --> 00:55:51.815
and then other law
enforcements have connections

00:55:51.815 --> 00:55:53.517
and they can bring
it together for you.

00:55:53.517 --> 00:55:55.752
So you get one in and you say,

00:55:55.752 --> 00:55:57.087
hey, we would really like
to meet with someone

00:55:57.087 --> 00:56:00.290
in the local law enforcement, do
you know of a good contact

00:56:00.290 --> 00:56:01.758
and they can help you out.

00:56:01.758 --> 00:56:05.295
So we really like all emergency
services to be the partner.

00:56:05.295 --> 00:56:07.264
So those are the two
places I would start.

00:56:07.264 --> 00:56:08.599
First of all, do you want,

00:56:08.599 --> 00:56:10.334
the question that's not
even a starting point

00:56:10.334 --> 00:56:12.469
do you want to own it or do
you want someone else to?

00:56:12.469 --> 00:56:14.404
Once you figure out who's
owning it for you,

00:56:14.404 --> 00:56:16.540
make sure everybody that
comes in is greeted

00:56:16.540 --> 00:56:18.408
and you do kind of
an understanding

00:56:18.408 --> 00:56:20.277
and if something
doesn't feel right,

00:56:20.277 --> 00:56:22.112
you deal with it and you get so

00:56:22.112 --> 00:56:23.747
it doesn't turn
into something more.

00:56:23.747 --> 00:56:28.018
And then work with the
emergency services,

00:56:28.018 --> 00:56:29.553
develop that relationship.

00:56:29.553 --> 00:56:31.788
>>Sorry to interrupt, but I
just want to underscore Todd's

00:56:31.788 --> 00:56:35.626
excellent point it's really
all emergency services

00:56:35.626 --> 00:56:38.795
we need to be engaged with

00:56:38.795 --> 00:56:41.732
and all first
responders that honestly

00:56:41.732 --> 00:56:47.371
we don't give them enough
support or recognition.

00:56:47.371 --> 00:56:50.274
In my bike accident just a
microcosm obviously of

00:56:50.274 --> 00:56:51.708
what we're dealing with.

00:56:51.708 --> 00:56:53.377
It was my bike helmet
that saved me

00:56:53.377 --> 00:56:56.580
and these first responders
that took care of my life.

00:56:56.580 --> 00:56:59.950
So I owe so much to them.

00:56:59.950 --> 00:57:03.420
So I agree we should
engage with

00:57:03.420 --> 00:57:07.924
all emergency
services personnel.

00:57:07.924 --> 00:57:10.093
>>Thank you for that
recommendation

00:57:10.093 --> 00:57:13.563
and I agree about engaging
all services personnel.

00:57:13.563 --> 00:57:14.998
Todd, I also appreciate you

00:57:14.998 --> 00:57:17.200
and I think that it is
completely okay to your point,

00:57:17.200 --> 00:57:20.037
right, this is a big
topic, it's a new issue,

00:57:20.037 --> 00:57:21.438
it may be important
to take a big step back

00:57:21.438 --> 00:57:24.341
and determine who's going
to own the thing.

00:57:24.341 --> 00:57:27.077
And we know again pastors,
imams, rabbis,

00:57:27.077 --> 00:57:28.345
if you're a leader in your door,

00:57:28.345 --> 00:57:29.946
you have a seeker dweller,

00:57:29.946 --> 00:57:32.449
you have a long list of things
that you're already doing.

00:57:32.449 --> 00:57:34.918
It's not going to be that leader
that's trying to execute

00:57:34.918 --> 00:57:37.020
the development of one
of these plans.

00:57:37.020 --> 00:57:39.189
The other piece that I really
appreciate is to your point

00:57:39.189 --> 00:57:41.958
about having a greeting
structure just to share with

00:57:41.958 --> 00:57:44.494
folks again, this is another
resource for everybody,

00:57:44.494 --> 00:57:46.129
I just dropped in the chat

00:57:46.129 --> 00:57:48.665
the power of the Hello Guide
for Houses of Worship.

00:57:48.665 --> 00:57:51.201
And so this is some guidance to
help kind of walk through

00:57:51.201 --> 00:57:52.903
to that point, if
the first thing,

00:57:52.903 --> 00:57:55.205
if don't do anything
else but just make sure

00:57:55.205 --> 00:57:57.574
that you have whoever's your
welcoming committee,

00:57:57.574 --> 00:58:00.677
whoever's responsible for being
that first friendly face,

00:58:00.677 --> 00:58:03.513
that comes into, that
people see when they come into

00:58:03.513 --> 00:58:06.183
your facility providing
that guidance

00:58:06.183 --> 00:58:09.386
may be a helpful step
for you to take.

00:58:09.386 --> 00:58:12.356
John, so putting on your
reverend hat, right,

00:58:12.356 --> 00:58:15.692
so you're talking to a room
full of other faith leaders,

00:58:15.692 --> 00:58:16.993
they want to know
where to start.

00:58:16.993 --> 00:58:19.496
What's one recommendation that
you would have for them

00:58:19.496 --> 00:58:20.831
in terms of let's focus

00:58:20.831 --> 00:58:24.201
or let's continue to build on
some of the internal focuses

00:58:24.201 --> 00:58:25.469
for how they can start,

00:58:25.469 --> 00:58:26.837
you know, preparing
and strengthening

00:58:26.837 --> 00:58:30.507
their facility to prevents
of targeted violence?

00:58:30.507 --> 00:58:31.608
>>You bet.

00:58:31.608 --> 00:58:35.145
And Todd and Salam mentioned it,
but really as the faith leader

00:58:35.145 --> 00:58:36.747
you want to be focused
on your flock,

00:58:36.747 --> 00:58:39.316
you're not going to be wanting
to lead this effort

00:58:39.316 --> 00:58:42.018
and go out and meet with all
those representatives.

00:58:42.018 --> 00:58:45.255
So I think identifying that
talent within your congregation.

00:58:45.255 --> 00:58:47.424
Todd mentioned it might not
always be the person

00:58:47.424 --> 00:58:48.792
who has the military background

00:58:48.792 --> 00:58:50.026
or the law
enforcement background,

00:58:50.026 --> 00:58:52.729
but really someone who's
able to get stuff done.

00:58:52.729 --> 00:58:55.031
If they happen to have that
background it's great

00:58:55.031 --> 00:58:57.200
as they're meeting with other
law enforcement agencies.

00:58:57.200 --> 00:58:59.503
But if you can find that
person to take the lead

00:58:59.503 --> 00:59:00.604
for your congregation

00:59:00.604 --> 00:59:04.574
so you can focus on
disciplining and ministering to,

00:59:04.574 --> 00:59:08.512
so this isn't the number one
thing on your to-do list.

00:59:08.512 --> 00:59:09.780
I think that's number one.

00:59:09.780 --> 00:59:11.715
Second is there are
always organizations

00:59:11.715 --> 00:59:14.418
and groups that meet,
of faith leaders.

00:59:14.418 --> 00:59:16.553
Here in D.C. there's been
incredible coordination

00:59:16.553 --> 00:59:20.123
for decades amongst clergy
and law enforcement.

00:59:20.123 --> 00:59:23.660
But it's usually isolated
by denomination

00:59:23.660 --> 00:59:25.729
or by one faith group.

00:59:25.729 --> 00:59:28.865
And so find that group
that's already meeting.

00:59:28.865 --> 00:59:31.935
And then to Todd's point
and to Salam's point

00:59:31.935 --> 00:59:33.170
you don't have to go
to law enforcement,

00:59:33.170 --> 00:59:35.205
you can go to that
Emergency Management Office

00:59:35.205 --> 00:59:37.374
that's in your
county or your state.

00:59:37.374 --> 00:59:40.110
They're really the hub for
having all of those agencies

00:59:40.110 --> 00:59:41.845
already at their fingertips.

00:59:41.845 --> 00:59:45.148
So here in D.C., D.C. Homeland
Security Emergency Management

00:59:45.148 --> 00:59:46.883
we've got connections to
the fire department

00:59:46.883 --> 00:59:48.985
and police department and
Department of Health.

00:59:48.985 --> 00:59:51.788
Many of you over the last two
years have probably been sites

00:59:51.788 --> 00:59:53.457
for distribution of vaccines

00:59:53.457 --> 00:59:56.927
and testing that some of your
Department of Health's

00:59:56.927 --> 00:59:58.929
have already come to and
used your parking lots

00:59:58.929 --> 01:00:01.998
or used your all-purpose
rooms or gymnasiums.

01:00:01.998 --> 01:00:03.900
And so your Department of
Emergency Management

01:00:03.900 --> 01:00:06.770
is a great tool for
you to go to them

01:00:06.770 --> 01:00:10.106
and really find out how
you can get involved.

01:00:10.106 --> 01:00:11.575
It's a lot more than just
the law enforcement

01:00:11.575 --> 01:00:12.876
side of the house.

01:00:12.876 --> 01:00:15.479
It's how you can be
used in disasters.

01:00:15.479 --> 01:00:17.314
And so if you're able to find
one of those groups

01:00:17.314 --> 01:00:19.049
that's out there
that already meets

01:00:19.049 --> 01:00:20.717
with a large group of clergy,

01:00:20.717 --> 01:00:22.919
so it's not just you
going independently

01:00:22.919 --> 01:00:26.289
and then approach your local
Emergency Management Agency

01:00:26.289 --> 01:00:28.258
and see how they
can get involved

01:00:28.258 --> 01:00:29.459
with the faith community.

01:00:29.459 --> 01:00:31.094
I guarantee they're going to
want to get involved

01:00:31.094 --> 01:00:32.596
because you've got some
incredible assets

01:00:32.596 --> 01:00:34.798
and resources in the community,

01:00:34.798 --> 01:00:36.233
whether it's your
parking lot

01:00:36.233 --> 01:00:38.735
or your building itself.

01:00:38.735 --> 01:00:41.371
So that's my recommendation.

01:00:41.371 --> 01:00:42.405
>>I appreciate that, man,

01:00:42.405 --> 01:00:43.773
I think they're in
kind of the top line

01:00:43.773 --> 01:00:46.176
and I think that this has
been consistent throughout.

01:00:46.176 --> 01:00:47.377
Don't go it alone.

01:00:47.377 --> 01:00:49.880
Like it may start where
it's just one person,

01:00:49.880 --> 01:00:52.115
but look at the broader team.

01:00:52.115 --> 01:00:54.985
Michael, we'd love
to come to you

01:00:54.985 --> 01:00:57.420
again for that individual
organization,

01:00:57.420 --> 01:00:59.789
I know SCN does, and I
think we've heard this

01:00:59.789 --> 01:01:02.526
from a few folks you all
offer this service

01:01:02.526 --> 01:01:04.494
and support not just to
the Jewish community,

01:01:04.494 --> 01:01:06.496
but to a number of
organizations.

01:01:06.496 --> 01:01:09.232
But when you're meeting with
organizations for the first time

01:01:09.232 --> 01:01:11.334
what are some recommendations
that you provide

01:01:11.334 --> 01:01:14.604
in terms of some of those
initial steps to help people,

01:01:14.604 --> 01:01:15.839
you know, on their pathway

01:01:15.839 --> 01:01:18.508
towards stemming
acts of targeted violence?

01:01:18.508 --> 01:01:20.210
>>Sure. And I'll step back

01:01:20.210 --> 01:01:21.778
and want to echo
everything else

01:01:21.778 --> 01:01:23.013
that's been said,

01:01:23.013 --> 01:01:25.148
but I think the most important
thing that people can do

01:01:25.148 --> 01:01:27.918
is to your initial
question, Marcus,

01:01:27.918 --> 01:01:29.719
is that they're not alone.

01:01:29.719 --> 01:01:31.655
Reach out.

01:01:31.655 --> 01:01:34.424
Contact as John mentioned
the local community

01:01:34.424 --> 01:01:35.625
security director.

01:01:35.625 --> 01:01:38.728
If you're in Washington, D.C.,
these individuals generally are

01:01:38.728 --> 01:01:41.464
based in the Jewish Federation
for the Jewish community.

01:01:41.464 --> 01:01:44.534
Or you can call our duty desk
and we can connect you

01:01:44.534 --> 01:01:47.237
with a regional director or
regional security advisor.

01:01:47.237 --> 01:01:49.506
Know that you're not alone.

01:01:49.506 --> 01:01:53.209
And then we usually
find a way to work,

01:01:53.209 --> 01:01:55.879
we've got resources on our
website, which you shared.

01:01:55.879 --> 01:01:59.983
Low cost, no cost tools that
any house of worship,

01:01:59.983 --> 01:02:02.085
any day school,

01:02:02.085 --> 01:02:04.554
after school program,
community center can do.

01:02:04.554 --> 01:02:07.624
And it's simple things from
checking to make sure

01:02:07.624 --> 01:02:09.326
the window locks,

01:02:09.326 --> 01:02:13.363
to the fire alarm works,
to the shrubbery is cut back,

01:02:13.363 --> 01:02:16.132
to the lights at night go on.

01:02:16.132 --> 01:02:19.369
We have had instances where
potential arsonists

01:02:19.369 --> 01:02:21.938
were scared away by
motion sensor lights.

01:02:21.938 --> 01:02:23.640
That's all it took.

01:02:23.640 --> 01:02:26.576
And so we've developed a
lot of those resources.

01:02:26.576 --> 01:02:29.512
They're available for everybody.

01:02:29.512 --> 01:02:33.283
Every time I've been on an
incident I'm sure that John

01:02:33.283 --> 01:02:35.585
and Todd would echo this
from their backgrounds

01:02:35.585 --> 01:02:37.120
and experience, I certainly know

01:02:37.120 --> 01:02:39.789
that Kiran can
from the events that

01:02:39.789 --> 01:02:41.825
she's dealt with in
the Sikh community.

01:02:41.825 --> 01:02:44.361
You hear the phrase I never
thought it could happen here.

01:02:44.361 --> 01:02:48.164
We have to get over that
mentality as an entire faith

01:02:48.164 --> 01:02:50.133
based community and be prepared

01:02:50.133 --> 01:02:52.636
and that starts with the
phone call or the outreach

01:02:52.636 --> 01:02:55.805
and just getting to work
on the simple stuff.

01:02:55.805 --> 01:02:58.608
And there's a fair amount on it.

01:02:58.608 --> 01:03:00.844
It doesn't cost a
million dollars,

01:03:00.844 --> 01:03:02.579
it doesn't even cost a
hundred thousand dollars

01:03:02.579 --> 01:03:05.515
or fifty thousand dollars
to lock the front door.

01:03:05.515 --> 01:03:08.184
And that really, I think
those simple things

01:03:08.184 --> 01:03:10.286
we want to demystify
a lot of this

01:03:10.286 --> 01:03:12.288
and keep it simple for
people on a lot of

01:03:12.288 --> 01:03:15.392
the most important elements and
have those conversations,

01:03:15.392 --> 01:03:17.027
which we're here to have.

01:03:17.027 --> 01:03:19.796
The last piece I would say on
the law enforcement outreach,

01:03:19.796 --> 01:03:21.231
again, simple.

01:03:21.231 --> 01:03:22.565
And this has been said.

01:03:22.565 --> 01:03:25.068
But I extend it to all first
responders the reality

01:03:25.068 --> 01:03:26.903
and the statistics in
a house of worship

01:03:26.903 --> 01:03:29.272
is you're not more than an
act of targeted violence

01:03:29.272 --> 01:03:31.207
someone's going to have
a medical emergency,

01:03:31.207 --> 01:03:33.910
a stroke, they're going to
go into anaphylactic shock

01:03:33.910 --> 01:03:37.080
from eating a peanut,
a peanut cookie,

01:03:37.080 --> 01:03:38.281
and so it's important

01:03:38.281 --> 01:03:40.050
that we engage the
faith based community,

01:03:40.050 --> 01:03:41.985
I mean, the first
responder community.

01:03:41.985 --> 01:03:44.421
Two things I can speak from law
enforcement that I know

01:03:44.421 --> 01:03:46.022
I was always looking for,

01:03:46.022 --> 01:03:48.658
clean bathroom,
clean place to eat,

01:03:48.658 --> 01:03:51.995
and potentially a nice well-lit
place to do paperwork.

01:03:51.995 --> 01:03:54.030
And to the point
that we can invite

01:03:54.030 --> 01:03:55.231
law enforcement into facilities

01:03:55.231 --> 01:03:59.369
and not just the chief, right,
we love our police chiefs,

01:03:59.369 --> 01:04:01.771
but the individual that
is on the midnight shift

01:04:01.771 --> 01:04:04.274
that's going to be
in the patrol car

01:04:04.274 --> 01:04:05.942
at two o'clock in the morning

01:04:05.942 --> 01:04:08.111
inviting them into the
facility so they know.

01:04:08.111 --> 01:04:10.547
We saw the benefit of
this unfortunately

01:04:10.547 --> 01:04:13.683
and tragically in Pittsburgh,
where our first responders

01:04:13.683 --> 01:04:16.486
had been in that
facility before,

01:04:16.486 --> 01:04:18.955
they knew the
layout of the building,

01:04:18.955 --> 01:04:20.490
and it's why within 90 seconds

01:04:20.490 --> 01:04:22.959
they were able to so
effectively respond

01:04:22.959 --> 01:04:24.394
and make sure that even though

01:04:24.394 --> 01:04:27.063
we tragically lost 11
lives that day,

01:04:27.063 --> 01:04:30.567
that as the President
pointed out in his statement

01:04:30.567 --> 01:04:32.669
earlier today the death
toll could have been

01:04:32.669 --> 01:04:34.637
much, much higher.

01:04:34.637 --> 01:04:37.073
And that needs to be
an everyday experience.

01:04:37.073 --> 01:04:39.642
So whether they're going to sit
and have that longer meal

01:04:39.642 --> 01:04:43.179
at a gurudwara or
a Shabbat, a lunch

01:04:43.179 --> 01:04:45.381
or just a clean place
to use the bathroom,

01:04:45.381 --> 01:04:47.250
you know, make sure that
we're inviting people in

01:04:47.250 --> 01:04:50.253
at ten o'clock in the morning,
at ten o'clock at night,

01:04:50.253 --> 01:04:53.556
two o'clock in the afternoon,
two o'clock in the morning.

01:04:53.556 --> 01:04:54.791
>>Thank you for that Michael.

01:04:54.791 --> 01:04:57.594
And what I appreciate about that
you shared, and I think that,

01:04:57.594 --> 01:05:00.630
and it shouldn't
be lost on folks,

01:05:00.630 --> 01:05:02.766
we know that again when we
talk about this topic

01:05:02.766 --> 01:05:05.935
and we're hosting maybe a
training or something big,

01:05:05.935 --> 01:05:07.370
that may be the time that
you want to reach out

01:05:07.370 --> 01:05:10.373
to a police chief or a fire
chief or the head of the EMS.

01:05:10.373 --> 01:05:12.742
But what Michael said in
terms of just creating

01:05:12.742 --> 01:05:14.310
that informal touch,

01:05:14.310 --> 01:05:17.680
whoever's responsible for
that jurisdiction,

01:05:17.680 --> 01:05:18.848
either it's part of their beat,

01:05:18.848 --> 01:05:21.417
so they're doing just
general engagement

01:05:21.417 --> 01:05:24.354
and making sure that for those
first responders let's extend it

01:05:24.354 --> 01:05:27.991
to the broad swathe,
right, fire, EMS, police.

01:05:27.991 --> 01:05:31.227
If they know that you're a
place that they can come to

01:05:31.227 --> 01:05:33.997
in an informal way that that
builds tremendous relationship.

01:05:33.997 --> 01:05:36.933
That is a tremendous
asset and benefit.

01:05:36.933 --> 01:05:38.434
Another resource that
I want to drop in,

01:05:38.434 --> 01:05:40.170
and it was brought up earlier,

01:05:40.170 --> 01:05:41.671
you are the help
until help arrives.

01:05:41.671 --> 01:05:43.373
I also appreciate
kind of the thread

01:05:43.373 --> 01:05:44.440
that they've talked about.

01:05:44.440 --> 01:05:46.209
I know we're talking
here about preventing

01:05:46.209 --> 01:05:47.443
acts of targeted violence.

01:05:47.443 --> 01:05:50.079
But in terms of the need and the
type of things that happen

01:05:50.079 --> 01:05:51.714
often you're going to end
up in situations

01:05:51.714 --> 01:05:53.950
where people are responding to
other medical emergencies

01:05:53.950 --> 01:05:56.286
and want to know what
steps they can take

01:05:56.286 --> 01:05:59.355
until formal help arrives and
is able to get engaged.

01:05:59.355 --> 01:06:02.292
And so I wanted to drop
that resource for folks.

01:06:02.292 --> 01:06:03.593
Let's broaden it a bit.

01:06:03.593 --> 01:06:05.461
So we've provided
some practical steps

01:06:05.461 --> 01:06:08.965
that people can take in terms of
getting together a team,

01:06:08.965 --> 01:06:10.633
identifying folks to engage,

01:06:10.633 --> 01:06:12.135
knowing how
folks can work with.

01:06:12.135 --> 01:06:14.237
I actually want to pull a
thread, this is a question

01:06:14.237 --> 01:06:17.207
that was dropped in the
chat a bit earlier.

01:06:17.207 --> 01:06:18.575
Again, we're talking
about preventing

01:06:18.575 --> 01:06:19.976
acts of targeted violence.

01:06:19.976 --> 01:06:23.046
Some of that is just knowing
how to share information

01:06:23.046 --> 01:06:25.515
and knowing who to talk to

01:06:25.515 --> 01:06:29.052
and what kind of information
would be useful or maybe,

01:06:29.052 --> 01:06:31.154
and I've heard other faith
leaders talk like this,

01:06:31.154 --> 01:06:33.690
they don't want to
bother officials

01:06:33.690 --> 01:06:35.725
with information that
may not be true.

01:06:35.725 --> 01:06:39.429
So they may be reluctant to
provide information sharing.

01:06:39.429 --> 01:06:42.999
And so I want to
start with Salam,

01:06:42.999 --> 01:06:44.067
what are some recommendations

01:06:44.067 --> 01:06:46.269
you would have
for an organization,

01:06:46.269 --> 01:06:49.105
maybe they are just getting
a relationship started

01:06:49.105 --> 01:06:50.940
and aren't sure what
level of information

01:06:50.940 --> 01:06:53.109
or the type of information
that they can share

01:06:53.109 --> 01:06:56.412
with local law enforcement or
with some of the local officials

01:06:56.412 --> 01:06:57.614
to help prevent
targeted violence.

01:06:57.614 --> 01:06:59.782
So what kind of recommendations
do you give to people

01:06:59.782 --> 01:07:05.521
as it relates to information
sharing at the local level?

01:07:05.521 --> 01:07:09.659
>>Yeah, the term information
sharing is unfortunately

01:07:09.659 --> 01:07:13.930
it's a loaded term
in our community.

01:07:13.930 --> 01:07:22.071
And so I think we need to
consider other terms

01:07:22.071 --> 01:07:24.173
and also another recommendation

01:07:24.173 --> 01:07:33.049
we had is to assess the
use of the Fusion Centers.

01:07:33.049 --> 01:07:36.753
I don't think many people in
our faith based community

01:07:36.753 --> 01:07:38.588
know anything about
Fusion Centers

01:07:38.588 --> 01:07:43.359
other than probably the people
on the screen right here.

01:07:43.359 --> 01:07:44.460
But you go out in the community,

01:07:44.460 --> 01:07:46.663
they don't know what
a Fusion Center is.

01:07:46.663 --> 01:07:53.937
So communicating that, talking
about what it actually does

01:07:53.937 --> 01:07:57.206
and how it protects people

01:07:57.206 --> 01:07:59.475
and also doing a
self-assessment in terms of its

01:07:59.475 --> 01:08:03.546
effectiveness I think
are critical before we get

01:08:03.546 --> 01:08:07.717
into discussing this idea of
information sharing.

01:08:07.717 --> 01:08:12.789
I mean, if you're
experienced in the field,

01:08:12.789 --> 01:08:16.292
of course the idea is
that if Todd says,

01:08:16.292 --> 01:08:18.461
hey, something's
happening in Utah

01:08:18.461 --> 01:08:23.399
and this group has roots in
Los Angeles and he tells me

01:08:23.399 --> 01:08:27.170
and I talk to Kiran
in Washington

01:08:27.170 --> 01:08:29.105
and Michael in Chicago

01:08:29.105 --> 01:08:31.841
and we have that network
that's information sharing.

01:08:31.841 --> 01:08:33.609
That's important.

01:08:33.609 --> 01:08:37.313
But there's a perception
that communities

01:08:37.313 --> 01:08:39.315
are giving information
to the government

01:08:39.315 --> 01:08:42.452
that are used for
intelligence gathering

01:08:42.452 --> 01:08:44.387
against the communities.

01:08:44.387 --> 01:08:52.028
So we have to deconstruct that,
have some conversations about it

01:08:52.028 --> 01:08:56.566
in terms of moving forward
for the various faith

01:08:56.566 --> 01:08:58.968
based communities on
information sharing.

01:08:58.968 --> 01:08:59.969
>>Absolutely.

01:08:59.969 --> 01:09:01.904
>>And Salam I appreciate
you unpacking the term.

01:09:01.904 --> 01:09:04.440
So my intent definitely was more
of the latter of what

01:09:04.440 --> 01:09:06.409
you were talking about, right?
>>Yes.

01:09:06.409 --> 01:09:08.311
>>Maybe there's something that
happens at a facility

01:09:08.311 --> 01:09:09.812
or at a house of worship

01:09:09.812 --> 01:09:12.248
and you're calling and
talking with your friends

01:09:12.248 --> 01:09:14.951
and include other faith
leaders in terms of hey,

01:09:14.951 --> 01:09:16.986
here's what's going on,

01:09:16.986 --> 01:09:21.124
or, right, we have somebody
call our house of worship

01:09:21.124 --> 01:09:23.960
or call a facility and
there was a bomb threat

01:09:23.960 --> 01:09:26.796
and we're not sure what kind
of information to gather

01:09:26.796 --> 01:09:29.565
and who we should be
talking with about that.

01:09:29.565 --> 01:09:31.634
And so I appreciate you
unpacking that term.

01:09:31.634 --> 01:09:34.470
And I know that it does
have some connotations

01:09:34.470 --> 01:09:36.039
depending on communities
what that means.

01:09:36.039 --> 01:09:37.306
I think I'm more so coming from

01:09:37.306 --> 01:09:39.442
that spirit of if
there is an act

01:09:39.442 --> 01:09:41.277
or if there's something that
you know has happened

01:09:41.277 --> 01:09:43.679
somewhere else who should
you be talking with,

01:09:43.679 --> 01:09:45.715
how do those first
conversations go?

01:09:45.715 --> 01:09:47.683
Todd, I want to
move over to you.

01:09:47.683 --> 01:09:51.854
I know that you work with folks
across the country as well.

01:09:51.854 --> 01:09:53.523
As folks are having
conversations what

01:09:53.523 --> 01:09:57.060
recommendations do you have
for folks that are again

01:09:57.060 --> 01:09:59.328
trying to make sure
that they are providing

01:09:59.328 --> 01:10:02.198
the right level of
information content

01:10:02.198 --> 01:10:05.468
and making sure again that
people are sharing information

01:10:05.468 --> 01:10:06.602
for the really good purpose

01:10:06.602 --> 01:10:08.638
intent of helping to
keep people safe.

01:10:08.638 --> 01:10:12.809
And so any recommendations you
have there would be helpful.

01:10:12.809 --> 01:10:17.613
>>So I first would start off by
saying if in doubt share it.

01:10:17.613 --> 01:10:19.082
I think that's the key thing,

01:10:19.082 --> 01:10:21.751
if you're wondering if you
should or not, then do.

01:10:21.751 --> 01:10:24.053
And then it goes for a lot
of things to understanding

01:10:24.053 --> 01:10:25.988
and learning and teaching

01:10:25.988 --> 01:10:29.092
and training on what that
type of information is.

01:10:29.092 --> 01:10:32.562
For instance, when we first
started doing a lot of work

01:10:32.562 --> 01:10:33.896
when bombings were happening,

01:10:33.896 --> 01:10:35.898
you have your
Boston Marathon,

01:10:35.898 --> 01:10:38.434
we would get packages
reported all the time,

01:10:38.434 --> 01:10:40.903
suspicious package,
suspicious package.

01:10:40.903 --> 01:10:43.506
Well, they weren't suspicious
they were unattended.

01:10:43.506 --> 01:10:45.141
And so we've got to
teach the people

01:10:45.141 --> 01:10:48.544
and the groups that are out
there what should I report?

01:10:48.544 --> 01:10:51.013
And it takes a little while but
I would start off saying report

01:10:51.013 --> 01:10:52.315
everything at first,

01:10:52.315 --> 01:10:54.383
and then we'll work with
you to understand more

01:10:54.383 --> 01:10:58.020
and to better, where I should
report those and to whom.

01:10:58.020 --> 01:10:59.789
And that goes back to
who you're going to have

01:10:59.789 --> 01:11:03.726
be the face of this
in your churches,

01:11:03.726 --> 01:11:06.162
your places of worship,
who's going to own it?

01:11:06.162 --> 01:11:08.564
And then you can have one person
that can kind of filter that

01:11:08.564 --> 01:11:10.099
and understand where it goes.

01:11:10.099 --> 01:11:12.835
You're not going to teach
all your parishioners

01:11:12.835 --> 01:11:14.237
where these things go.

01:11:14.237 --> 01:11:15.738
But if you have someone
that they can go to

01:11:15.738 --> 01:11:17.507
or a committee that
they can go to

01:11:17.507 --> 01:11:19.675
then you can actually govern
that a little bit better

01:11:19.675 --> 01:11:21.878
and direct it
the proper ways.

01:11:21.878 --> 01:11:23.946
So that's kind of the thing
that I would say is

01:11:23.946 --> 01:11:26.983
if in doubt, report it.

01:11:26.983 --> 01:11:30.920
And then we can grow
from there by teaching

01:11:30.920 --> 01:11:33.890
what is really actionable
and what is not.

01:11:35.691 --> 01:11:37.026
I hope that answers
your question.

01:11:37.026 --> 01:11:38.728
I had another thought
but it left me.

01:11:38.728 --> 01:11:41.364
>>No, it does and I think that
that's a little bit of what

01:11:41.364 --> 01:11:43.933
we often see as a barrier
or a challenge, right,

01:11:43.933 --> 01:11:45.434
is people don't know
what to report

01:11:45.434 --> 01:11:47.670
and I appreciate you
giving some context

01:11:47.670 --> 01:11:49.572
that it's okay to start
as you're starting with

01:11:49.572 --> 01:11:53.009
any relationship that when
in doubt to report something

01:11:53.009 --> 01:11:54.911
that you see, somebody
left a bag, somebody,

01:11:54.911 --> 01:11:58.581
and sometimes it is just benign
things that happen.

01:11:58.581 --> 01:12:00.650
But you build a
relationship over time.

01:12:00.650 --> 01:12:02.852
>>But Marcus one thing that I
was going to say though

01:12:02.852 --> 01:12:05.121
and now you just reminded me

01:12:05.121 --> 01:12:07.023
the time to build
those relationships

01:12:07.023 --> 01:12:09.192
are not when that bag is left.

01:12:09.192 --> 01:12:11.494
Build those relationships now.

01:12:11.494 --> 01:12:12.662
>>Absolutely.

01:12:12.662 --> 01:12:14.230
>>So that when you start
sharing information

01:12:14.230 --> 01:12:15.898
you've already got that built.

01:12:15.898 --> 01:12:17.800
>>Makes total sense.

01:12:17.800 --> 01:12:22.305
So John for you in terms of
building that relationship

01:12:22.305 --> 01:12:24.941
now what are some of the
initial conversations

01:12:24.941 --> 01:12:28.444
that you see that have
worked well for communities

01:12:28.444 --> 01:12:31.380
to have either with one
another or conversations

01:12:31.380 --> 01:12:33.382
that they have with
local governments

01:12:33.382 --> 01:12:35.184
our state governments about?

01:12:35.184 --> 01:12:36.385
Just what kind of relationship

01:12:36.385 --> 01:12:39.155
and how often people communicate
and what they share.

01:12:39.155 --> 01:12:40.823
And maybe his is something
that's been played out in the

01:12:40.823 --> 01:12:42.091
IPAG in some of the work that

01:12:42.091 --> 01:12:43.659
you've all been
able to get done.

01:12:43.659 --> 01:12:46.262
>>Sure, and I'll also address
the Fusion Center point

01:12:46.262 --> 01:12:47.496
that Salam brought up,

01:12:47.496 --> 01:12:49.432
because there are 80 Fusion
Centers around the country

01:12:49.432 --> 01:12:50.900
and most folks unless
you work in one

01:12:50.900 --> 01:12:52.368
you really don't
know what they do.

01:12:52.368 --> 01:12:53.903
So I'll address
that in a minute,

01:12:53.903 --> 01:12:55.938
but I'll get to the
first question.

01:12:55.938 --> 01:12:59.508
In D.C. there's some really good
networks of faith communities

01:12:59.508 --> 01:13:01.177
outside of the IPAC.

01:13:01.177 --> 01:13:03.212
Our Jewish community has
a really good network.

01:13:03.212 --> 01:13:05.381
They use social
media and texting.

01:13:05.381 --> 01:13:08.985
So if they have an incident or
an individual who makes the

01:13:08.985 --> 01:13:11.888
rounds to one
synagogue to the next,

01:13:11.888 --> 01:13:13.089
they're able to communicate

01:13:13.089 --> 01:13:15.758
that to each other through
their security advisors

01:13:15.758 --> 01:13:18.995
and directors, so they
can keep an eye,

01:13:18.995 --> 01:13:20.630
did that individual also
go to your synagogue

01:13:20.630 --> 01:13:23.399
and your house of worship
and make the rounds?

01:13:23.399 --> 01:13:27.270
So there are those informal
ways of communicating amongst

01:13:27.270 --> 01:13:28.738
faith leaders in
the neighborhood.

01:13:28.738 --> 01:13:31.274
With IPAC we have three
representatives,

01:13:31.274 --> 01:13:33.476
myself and a captain on MPD

01:13:33.476 --> 01:13:36.279
and the Director
of Religious Affairs

01:13:36.279 --> 01:13:37.380
in the Mayor's Office.

01:13:37.380 --> 01:13:40.583
And the three of us make the
rounds to our IPAC members

01:13:40.583 --> 01:13:43.152
and so when something is a
little off on their radar

01:13:43.152 --> 01:13:45.554
they'll reach out to
one of the three of us.

01:13:45.554 --> 01:13:47.623
Last year around election time

01:13:47.623 --> 01:13:50.159
there were many incidents
happening across the District;

01:13:50.159 --> 01:13:54.263
we had lots of First Amendment
event over the course of 2020.

01:13:54.263 --> 01:13:57.300
On December 12th we had four
houses of worship in D.C.

01:13:57.300 --> 01:14:00.069
that demonstrators
had vandalized.

01:14:00.069 --> 01:14:01.470
And so we were able to
communicate that out

01:14:01.470 --> 01:14:02.972
to other houses of worship

01:14:02.972 --> 01:14:06.709
to see if any of their
signs or front entrances

01:14:06.709 --> 01:14:09.578
were vandalized by some of
the groups who are coming

01:14:09.578 --> 01:14:12.648
and exercising their
First Amendment rights.

01:14:12.648 --> 01:14:15.151
After December 12th we knew that
many of these groups were

01:14:15.151 --> 01:14:17.153
going to be coming back
to the District

01:14:17.153 --> 01:14:19.989
the beginning of January,
on January 5th and 6th.

01:14:19.989 --> 01:14:22.224
And so we held a call with
all of our IPAC members

01:14:22.224 --> 01:14:24.026
on January 4th.

01:14:24.026 --> 01:14:28.597
And we briefed them on what
we saw coming on January 6th.

01:14:28.597 --> 01:14:29.699
We were honestly worried

01:14:29.699 --> 01:14:31.500
internally of a lot
of this energy

01:14:31.500 --> 01:14:33.736
and the demonstrators that were
coming to the District

01:14:33.736 --> 01:14:38.007
that they would get to the mall
and hit some hardened targets

01:14:38.007 --> 01:14:41.010
and then go out to the community
and hit those softer targets.

01:14:41.010 --> 01:14:42.978
And so we really briefed
the faith community

01:14:42.978 --> 01:14:45.448
and some of those softer targets

01:14:45.448 --> 01:14:50.419
and many of them closed on the
6th and kept staff at home,

01:14:50.419 --> 01:14:52.588
because we were nervous
about all that energy

01:14:52.588 --> 01:14:54.924
coming to the District and then
hitting those soft targets.

01:14:54.924 --> 01:14:56.359
And so that was something where

01:14:56.359 --> 01:14:59.995
because of that information
sharing amongst the IPAC leaders

01:14:59.995 --> 01:15:03.366
and the faith community we
were able to really capture

01:15:03.366 --> 01:15:04.900
kind of where some of
these groups had gone

01:15:04.900 --> 01:15:07.737
in the past for past
demonstrations and share that

01:15:07.737 --> 01:15:10.773
to the broader audience
of the District.

01:15:10.773 --> 01:15:13.609
We started a program here
in D.C. through a grant

01:15:13.609 --> 01:15:17.780
that we got through the
TVTP program at DHS.

01:15:17.780 --> 01:15:21.217
It was an application that we
were awarded in 2020 to start an

01:15:21.217 --> 01:15:24.787
online training module around
terrorism prevention

01:15:24.787 --> 01:15:26.322
and targeted violence.

01:15:26.322 --> 01:15:28.357
And those words sound really
kind of horrifying

01:15:28.357 --> 01:15:29.959
to the average listener,

01:15:29.959 --> 01:15:32.328
but it's really looking at
the pathway to violence

01:15:32.328 --> 01:15:35.297
and what someone looks like
when they're on that pathway.

01:15:35.297 --> 01:15:39.502
Some of those identifiers
and precursors that both the

01:15:39.502 --> 01:15:43.305
community and public safety
stakeholders that we want

01:15:43.305 --> 01:15:45.708
to be on their radar and
also how to report it.

01:15:45.708 --> 01:15:47.476
So whether you're
a police officer,

01:15:47.476 --> 01:15:50.846
a fire or EMS worker or
a correctional staff,

01:15:50.846 --> 01:15:53.315
if you see someone who's on
that pathway to violence

01:15:53.315 --> 01:15:55.718
ways that you can
report it up your agency,

01:15:55.718 --> 01:15:58.320
and also if you're a faith
member or a community member

01:15:58.320 --> 01:16:00.723
how you can report that.

01:16:00.723 --> 01:16:03.325
And I'll come back to the
Fusion Centers with Salam,

01:16:03.325 --> 01:16:05.227
every state has a Fusion Center

01:16:05.227 --> 01:16:08.264
and they have what they call
suspicious activity reporting.

01:16:08.264 --> 01:16:09.865
SARs.

01:16:09.865 --> 01:16:11.767
The majority of our
Fusion Centers are housed

01:16:11.767 --> 01:16:13.602
within our state
police departments.

01:16:13.602 --> 01:16:16.772
In D.C. it's housed within our
Homeland Security Emergency

01:16:16.772 --> 01:16:18.207
Management Agency.

01:16:18.207 --> 01:16:20.910
There are a handful of other
Fusion Centers that are not

01:16:20.910 --> 01:16:22.511
in law enforcement agencies.

01:16:22.511 --> 01:16:25.915
But all of them have
suspicious activity reporting.

01:16:25.915 --> 01:16:29.885
And you can go into a
portal, it's online.

01:16:29.885 --> 01:16:34.256
If you look that up I'll drop
some of the resources

01:16:34.256 --> 01:16:38.294
in the chat, on how you
can report SARs.

01:16:38.294 --> 01:16:40.429
To Todd's point if you
feel a little on edge

01:16:40.429 --> 01:16:41.964
about what to report,

01:16:41.964 --> 01:16:44.300
chances are you should
go ahead and drop that in.

01:16:44.300 --> 01:16:46.368
It's not going to be put in
some large database

01:16:46.368 --> 01:16:47.903
that Fusion Centers track,

01:16:47.903 --> 01:16:49.805
but it will be shared with
local law enforcement

01:16:49.805 --> 01:16:52.107
for them to see if
there's a threat or not.

01:16:52.107 --> 01:16:54.877
And if it's not deemed a
threat they'll pass it on

01:16:54.877 --> 01:16:57.513
back to the originating source

01:16:57.513 --> 01:17:00.716
or perhaps to the Department of
Behavioral Health.

01:17:00.716 --> 01:17:02.218
And that's something we're
building in the District

01:17:02.218 --> 01:17:04.053
is a Threat Assessment Center.

01:17:04.053 --> 01:17:06.422
And so were going to take those
threats whether they come from

01:17:06.422 --> 01:17:09.058
a school or from the
faith community

01:17:09.058 --> 01:17:10.726
and then wrap a team of support

01:17:10.726 --> 01:17:13.062
around the individual
who that threat

01:17:13.062 --> 01:17:15.264
might be originating from.

01:17:15.264 --> 01:17:18.100
>>Thank you for that John and I
dropped in the chat for folks

01:17:18.100 --> 01:17:20.269
a link to the Fusion
Center information

01:17:20.269 --> 01:17:23.339
and the nationwide SAR
initiative as well.

01:17:23.339 --> 01:17:26.675
Michael, recommendations or
perspectives from your work

01:17:26.675 --> 01:17:29.545
and your experience.

01:17:29.545 --> 01:17:33.482
>>I think that mostly
everything has been covered.

01:17:33.482 --> 01:17:37.286
I think that it's a
question of reaching out

01:17:37.286 --> 01:17:39.688
and engaging in
those relationships,

01:17:39.688 --> 01:17:42.858
building the relationship
of trust that exists.

01:17:42.858 --> 01:17:45.794
Our community has been
particularly attuned

01:17:45.794 --> 01:17:51.333
to the value of instant
reporting specifically.

01:17:51.333 --> 01:17:54.537
When we create a professional
community wide security program

01:17:54.537 --> 01:17:56.972
we generally see an increase
in instant reporting

01:17:56.972 --> 01:17:59.742
by about 78 to 80 percent.

01:17:59.742 --> 01:18:03.145
That's not to suggest there's 78
or 80 percent more incidents,

01:18:03.145 --> 01:18:04.313
it means that we're
getting much better

01:18:04.313 --> 01:18:05.948
at educating the community,

01:18:05.948 --> 01:18:09.184
if they see something
to say something.

01:18:09.184 --> 01:18:12.054
And make sure that we're
doing that holistically.

01:18:12.054 --> 01:18:14.323
I think one point
that I would make,

01:18:14.323 --> 01:18:16.225
we just know that
these hate crimes

01:18:16.225 --> 01:18:20.629
and incidents are vastly under
reported around our country.

01:18:20.629 --> 01:18:22.464
The number of religiously
motivated hate crimes

01:18:22.464 --> 01:18:24.967
in the United States

01:18:24.967 --> 01:18:32.074
by the FBI numbers is well
below two thousand.

01:18:32.074 --> 01:18:35.010
And we have 70 cities of
populations of 100,000

01:18:35.010 --> 01:18:37.046
or more that report
no hate crimes.

01:18:37.046 --> 01:18:40.215
I can guarantee that there's not
any of one of us on this panel

01:18:40.215 --> 01:18:42.251
that believes that that's
accurate reflection of what's

01:18:42.251 --> 01:18:45.921
going on in our communities or
with our community members.

01:18:45.921 --> 01:18:48.891
And that means it's
incumbent upon us to work

01:18:48.891 --> 01:18:52.094
to report those
incidents, raise them.

01:18:52.094 --> 01:18:54.930
I know this is something that
the FBI and the Director

01:18:54.930 --> 01:18:56.532
have commented about publicly

01:18:56.532 --> 01:18:59.602
and testified about the need
for strong incident

01:18:59.602 --> 01:19:01.203
reporting at the
local level

01:19:01.203 --> 01:19:02.838
and for local law
enforcement agencies

01:19:02.838 --> 01:19:04.707
and prosecutors to
take this seriously,

01:19:04.707 --> 01:19:07.576
I think that that comes to us
as a community to do that

01:19:07.576 --> 01:19:11.513
and drive it forward and
to Salam's point recognize

01:19:11.513 --> 01:19:13.382
that different
communities receive

01:19:13.382 --> 01:19:15.384
these issues in very,
very different ways

01:19:15.384 --> 01:19:16.919
and we have to
be attentive to that

01:19:16.919 --> 01:19:21.757
and work together to overcome
some of the past suspicions,

01:19:21.757 --> 01:19:23.859
past issues so that
we can ensure

01:19:23.859 --> 01:19:25.494
that all of our
houses of worship

01:19:25.494 --> 01:19:28.897
and community centers
are protected.

01:19:28.897 --> 01:19:31.133
The Secretary said something
at that conference

01:19:31.133 --> 01:19:34.236
that we were at last week.

01:19:34.236 --> 01:19:35.671
He made the observation,

01:19:35.671 --> 01:19:38.307
the circle of hate knows
no circumference.

01:19:38.307 --> 01:19:42.578
And I think it is a really
insightful observation,

01:19:42.578 --> 01:19:44.380
not surprisingly
from the Secretary

01:19:44.380 --> 01:19:45.981
and certainly the leadership

01:19:45.981 --> 01:19:50.285
that he has demonstrated as has
the Department in this issue.

01:19:50.285 --> 01:19:53.722
The only way we get around that
circle is by working together.

01:19:53.722 --> 01:19:57.593
And I think forums like
this are part of that.

01:19:57.593 --> 01:19:59.695
>>Absolutely. No, Michael
I appreciate that

01:19:59.695 --> 01:20:03.632
and Kiran as we
bring our session

01:20:03.632 --> 01:20:05.367
to a close I actually
want to transition

01:20:05.367 --> 01:20:07.236
a bit to the civil rights

01:20:07.236 --> 01:20:09.204
and civil liberties
perspective

01:20:09.204 --> 01:20:11.240
and the perspective that
you bring from the

01:20:11.240 --> 01:20:15.577
Legal Defense Fund in terms
of as a member of SALDEF.

01:20:15.577 --> 01:20:18.013
What are some recommendations
that you would have?

01:20:18.013 --> 01:20:21.984
So we know that, right,
building trust is hard work.

01:20:21.984 --> 01:20:23.686
It takes a lot of consistency.

01:20:23.686 --> 01:20:25.954
It takes a lot of
empathy, understanding,

01:20:25.954 --> 01:20:27.990
and, of course, it ebbs
and flows, right?

01:20:27.990 --> 01:20:30.959
So we know that things happen.

01:20:30.959 --> 01:20:34.730
What recommendations or what
thoughts would you give?

01:20:34.730 --> 01:20:36.098
Let's say we have a collection,

01:20:36.098 --> 01:20:38.167
and I'm sure some of these
folks are on the line,

01:20:38.167 --> 01:20:39.702
you have local
law enforcement,

01:20:39.702 --> 01:20:40.936
you have some of the local folks

01:20:40.936 --> 01:20:42.838
that are on the government
side that want to

01:20:42.838 --> 01:20:45.474
take steps towards building
trust with not just faith

01:20:45.474 --> 01:20:48.377
based leaders but community
organizations as well.

01:20:48.377 --> 01:20:50.679
What are some
recommendations you have for

01:20:50.679 --> 01:20:51.980
some of our local
government partners

01:20:51.980 --> 01:20:55.150
on the call that want to take
steps towards building

01:20:55.150 --> 01:20:58.520
a healthy relationship
and working through issues

01:20:58.520 --> 01:20:59.722
as it relates to civil rights

01:20:59.722 --> 01:21:02.858
and civil liberties from
SALDEF's perspective?

01:21:02.858 --> 01:21:05.694
>>Sure. I think one of the
ways as I mentioned,

01:21:05.694 --> 01:21:07.162
I think the Know
Your Rights forums

01:21:07.162 --> 01:21:09.865
are a great opportunity
to get to come

01:21:09.865 --> 01:21:13.035
to our house of worship and meet
with our community members.

01:21:13.035 --> 01:21:16.271
I think that goes a long way to
come into our spaces of worship.

01:21:16.271 --> 01:21:20.209
I've even conducted training
in our houses of worship.

01:21:20.209 --> 01:21:22.845
There are certain
cultural norms,

01:21:22.845 --> 01:21:25.380
there are certain things
that one would do,

01:21:25.380 --> 01:21:27.716
obviously in a
non-emergency situation,

01:21:27.716 --> 01:21:30.119
things like covering your head,
taking off your shoes,

01:21:30.119 --> 01:21:31.787
ways to greet people.

01:21:31.787 --> 01:21:33.589
So I think that's one thing.

01:21:33.589 --> 01:21:37.126
The second thing I think there
needs to be education on,

01:21:37.126 --> 01:21:39.094
you know we talked
about reporting.

01:21:39.094 --> 01:21:40.396
But I think people
need to understand

01:21:40.396 --> 01:21:42.498
the life cycle of that and
the importance of that.

01:21:42.498 --> 01:21:45.033
So somebody reports
something, where does it go?

01:21:45.033 --> 01:21:46.135
What's the importance

01:21:46.135 --> 01:21:50.906
and what does that piece of
information help to do?

01:21:50.906 --> 01:21:52.875
What does it help to illuminate?

01:21:52.875 --> 01:21:56.478
So I think that's a second
piece that I would recommend.

01:21:56.478 --> 01:21:58.747
And a third piece, I
just wanted to kind of,

01:21:58.747 --> 01:22:00.015
which wasn't really brought out

01:22:00.015 --> 01:22:02.551
in this conversation
but I think it's important

01:22:02.551 --> 01:22:03.685
in our faith community

01:22:03.685 --> 01:22:07.089
and it could be applicable
to other faith communities,

01:22:07.089 --> 01:22:09.024
in our faith community
there's oftentimes

01:22:09.024 --> 01:22:10.659
language access issues.

01:22:10.659 --> 01:22:14.496
So we may have
people that are in,

01:22:14.496 --> 01:22:16.298
you know, serve our
religious leaders

01:22:16.298 --> 01:22:17.733
or somebody
leading a service

01:22:17.733 --> 01:22:20.135
that may not be
fluent in English.

01:22:20.135 --> 01:22:24.306
So having a security committee,
having that relationship

01:22:24.306 --> 01:22:28.911
built in where somebody on the
management committee

01:22:28.911 --> 01:22:31.413
is familiar with law enforcement

01:22:31.413 --> 01:22:33.081
and other
emergency responders

01:22:33.081 --> 01:22:35.551
and connected to the
Fusion Centers

01:22:35.551 --> 01:22:38.187
and interfaith initiatives

01:22:38.187 --> 01:22:40.122
is really important
for our community.

01:22:40.122 --> 01:22:41.757
So I think those
are three things

01:22:41.757 --> 01:22:44.760
I just wanted to point out.

01:22:44.760 --> 01:22:46.929
But I think to your
first question

01:22:46.929 --> 01:22:49.731
I think really coming into
our spaces of worship,

01:22:49.731 --> 01:22:52.901
even if somebody isn't
fluent in English

01:22:52.901 --> 01:22:59.074
they may feel that extra
step of reporting

01:22:59.074 --> 01:23:01.276
there's sort of an
additional barrier.

01:23:01.276 --> 01:23:04.713
I think seeing people
in those spaces

01:23:04.713 --> 01:23:09.918
and sort of adhering
to cultural norms

01:23:09.918 --> 01:23:12.387
and making an effort is
really important.

01:23:12.387 --> 01:23:15.224
So those would be some
of my recommendations.

01:23:19.194 --> 01:23:21.964
>>That's excellent. Thank
you for sharing that.

01:23:21.964 --> 01:23:25.500
So I know we're coming to the
close of our session

01:23:25.500 --> 01:23:26.668
and so what I wanted to is

01:23:26.668 --> 01:23:29.137
we're going to do a
round robin of a parting

01:23:29.137 --> 01:23:31.874
thought from each
of our presenters.

01:23:31.874 --> 01:23:34.309
And presenters as you're
thinking about

01:23:34.309 --> 01:23:36.545
your parting thought
or parting word

01:23:36.545 --> 01:23:40.048
again I want to thank the
Asian American Foundation

01:23:40.048 --> 01:23:42.451
and our colleagues at DHS,

01:23:42.451 --> 01:23:46.188
CP3 for hosting the
Eighth Digital Forum

01:23:46.188 --> 01:23:49.291
and thank the more than I think
it's about up to a hundred

01:23:49.291 --> 01:23:53.061
and some odd folks
that have joined us

01:23:53.061 --> 01:23:55.697
for this particular session,

01:23:55.697 --> 01:23:57.399
so just parting
thoughts for folks

01:23:57.399 --> 01:24:01.136
as we bring this
session to a close.

01:24:01.136 --> 01:24:04.573
Feel free to share how they can
continue to stay connected

01:24:04.573 --> 01:24:07.209
with you and your
parting thoughts?

01:24:07.209 --> 01:24:09.111
Anything else that you want to
leave for the audience

01:24:09.111 --> 01:24:12.648
as they think about where to
take action from here.

01:24:12.648 --> 01:24:15.384
Looking at the order here
we'll start with Salam

01:24:15.384 --> 01:24:17.352
for parting thoughts

01:24:17.352 --> 01:24:19.821
and then we'll continue
to move through the panel.

01:24:19.821 --> 01:24:23.125
>>Yes, and I think in terms
of building trust

01:24:23.125 --> 01:24:26.828
and partnerships roles

01:24:26.828 --> 01:24:32.768
and lanes are very
important to demarcate.

01:24:32.768 --> 01:24:37.205
So where is a community leader

01:24:37.205 --> 01:24:41.310
and for lack of a better
term have jurisdiction

01:24:41.310 --> 01:24:46.248
and when is it handed over
to law enforcement,

01:24:46.248 --> 01:24:48.350
for example?

01:24:48.350 --> 01:24:51.320
Or vice versa, when is it a
law enforcement matter

01:24:51.320 --> 01:24:53.121
not a community matter?

01:24:53.121 --> 01:24:54.890
And I think the
issue of theology

01:24:54.890 --> 01:24:57.426
and faith based community,

01:24:57.426 --> 01:25:00.028
dynamics versus
criminal justice,

01:25:00.028 --> 01:25:02.164
I think we have to look at that

01:25:02.164 --> 01:25:06.134
and create clear lanes
so that people feel

01:25:06.134 --> 01:25:10.205
more comfortable and they see
that we are demonstrating that

01:25:10.205 --> 01:25:13.308
civil liberty is of
utmost importance

01:25:13.308 --> 01:25:15.978
in applying any of
these policies.

01:25:15.978 --> 01:25:19.214
Also, we say that we're using a
public health approach

01:25:19.214 --> 01:25:20.949
which I think is great,

01:25:20.949 --> 01:25:23.385
because this is exactly
what we were recommending

01:25:23.385 --> 01:25:29.358
seven years ago and I'm glad
that we're there now.

01:25:29.358 --> 01:25:31.293
Yes, through our Safe
Spaces initiatives,

01:25:31.293 --> 01:25:34.363
thank you Marcus
for showing that.

01:25:34.363 --> 01:25:41.870
And so where does HHS
come in and not DHS?

01:25:41.870 --> 01:25:45.841
How do we leverage Health
and Human Services

01:25:45.841 --> 01:25:49.978
and the various important
local mental health,

01:25:49.978 --> 01:25:54.950
public health agencies
in this work

01:25:54.950 --> 01:26:00.088
and let them have a
role in these communities?

01:26:00.088 --> 01:26:05.861
I think these are some of the
questions that we have to have

01:26:05.861 --> 01:26:09.331
a conversation on in
the near future.

01:26:09.331 --> 01:26:14.069
>>Excellent. Thank you very much
for those parting thoughts.

01:26:14.069 --> 01:26:15.937
And, yes, I dropped
one of the efforts.

01:26:15.937 --> 01:26:18.340
There's a lot of great
resources on the

01:26:18.340 --> 01:26:19.941
Muslim Public Affairs Council

01:26:19.941 --> 01:26:22.144
as well as all the
websites that we provided.

01:26:22.144 --> 01:26:24.012
Todd, over to you.

01:26:24.012 --> 01:26:26.581
What parting thoughts would you
have for our audience today?

01:26:26.581 --> 01:26:30.152
>>You know we shared a lot of
information with DHS in the past

01:26:30.152 --> 01:26:31.553
and enjoyed the
partnership there.

01:26:31.553 --> 01:26:33.889
And so most of our
security thoughts

01:26:33.889 --> 01:26:35.624
we've worked with
you on as well.

01:26:35.624 --> 01:26:38.860
And they can get, anybody can
get a lot of information

01:26:38.860 --> 01:26:41.063
by reaching out to DHS.

01:26:41.063 --> 01:26:45.634
My final thoughts is just start,
do something, start somewhere.

01:26:45.634 --> 01:26:49.504
The only way you can start
eating that elephant is start.

01:26:49.504 --> 01:26:51.306
And so start somewhere
with the security thing

01:26:51.306 --> 01:26:53.308
that you can tackle
and make it easy.

01:26:53.308 --> 01:26:56.978
And just for all of us the only
way we're really going to

01:26:56.978 --> 01:27:00.082
kind of make a change

01:27:00.082 --> 01:27:03.585
is start seeing ourselves as
part of this global family

01:27:03.585 --> 01:27:05.353
and each other as
brothers and sisters

01:27:05.353 --> 01:27:08.557
and seeing people as human

01:27:08.557 --> 01:27:10.325
and brothers and
sisters of a family

01:27:10.325 --> 01:27:12.994
and I think that will,
that's the biggest thing.

01:27:12.994 --> 01:27:14.262
I know that's an easy
answer to say love,

01:27:14.262 --> 01:27:16.331
but that's where it's at.

01:27:16.331 --> 01:27:18.834
>>Amen. Love, it's not
about it being easy,

01:27:18.834 --> 01:27:20.602
that's the hardest thing
to do sometimes.

01:27:20.602 --> 01:27:25.707
So I appreciate you centering
us on that for sure.

01:27:25.707 --> 01:27:28.176
John, what about yourself,
man, parting thoughts or

01:27:28.176 --> 01:27:32.114
recommendations for folks as we
bring the session to a close?

01:27:32.114 --> 01:27:33.081
>>Sure. Thanks, Marcus

01:27:33.081 --> 01:27:34.516
and thanks again for the
time to share today

01:27:34.516 --> 01:27:35.951
with everyone who's
still on the call.

01:27:35.951 --> 01:27:38.420
I'll echo Salam's last word.

01:27:38.420 --> 01:27:41.323
I really think that for us
in the district

01:27:41.323 --> 01:27:43.191
bringing our Department of
Behavioral Health

01:27:43.191 --> 01:27:45.861
into our equation with our
Threat Assessment Center

01:27:45.861 --> 01:27:48.196
and bringing the faith
community into that equation

01:27:48.196 --> 01:27:51.399
as well to get resources
to those who we identify

01:27:51.399 --> 01:27:52.934
that are on that
pathway to violence

01:27:52.934 --> 01:27:55.370
I think is a future story

01:27:55.370 --> 01:27:58.373
that we need to continue
to talk about and tell.

01:27:58.373 --> 01:28:02.110
And my last parting word is keep
your doors open and your arms

01:28:02.110 --> 01:28:04.780
wide open to new congregants
coming into your

01:28:04.780 --> 01:28:07.883
houses of worship, just train
your ushers really well.

01:28:07.883 --> 01:28:11.820
And I'll end with that
and pass it to Michael.

01:28:11.820 --> 01:28:13.889
>>Alright. So Michael,

01:28:13.889 --> 01:28:15.624
yes, parting
thoughts from you as,

01:28:15.624 --> 01:28:17.259
and what I'll drop in the chat

01:28:17.259 --> 01:28:18.460
when we talk about
translations

01:28:18.460 --> 01:28:19.895
and different languages.

01:28:19.895 --> 01:28:23.999
There's the powerful training
or resource that we shared

01:28:23.999 --> 01:28:26.902
is actually translated
in multiple languages

01:28:26.902 --> 01:28:28.236
and so I'll drop
that in the chat.

01:28:28.236 --> 01:28:30.071
But, Michael, parting
thought from you?

01:28:30.071 --> 01:28:31.973
>>Commit to action.

01:28:31.973 --> 01:28:35.010
That was the message that the
Community Security Director,

01:28:35.010 --> 01:28:36.945
Brad Orsini [phonetic] when he,

01:28:36.945 --> 01:28:38.680
you know, in the year and a
half before the attack

01:28:38.680 --> 01:28:40.015
happened three years ago,

01:28:40.015 --> 01:28:41.883
he trained over six thousand
members of the

01:28:41.883 --> 01:28:44.519
Pittsburgh community to include

01:28:44.519 --> 01:28:48.123
being in that facility less than
eight weeks before the attack.

01:28:48.123 --> 01:28:50.091
And the training that
he did that day,

01:28:50.091 --> 01:28:53.528
the work he did made sure that
emergency exits were clear,

01:28:53.528 --> 01:28:55.030
made sure that that
somebody had a cell phone

01:28:55.030 --> 01:28:56.831
that they could
call 911,

01:28:56.831 --> 01:28:57.966
and made sure that

01:28:57.966 --> 01:28:59.301
people went through
active threat,

01:28:59.301 --> 01:29:00.835
active shooter training.

01:29:00.835 --> 01:29:03.038
And it all started with
committing to action.

01:29:03.038 --> 01:29:05.073
And we know that that
saved people's lives.

01:29:05.073 --> 01:29:08.944
And that investment of time that
little bit of training

01:29:08.944 --> 01:29:10.078
doesn't cost a lot

01:29:10.078 --> 01:29:12.147
and it can save your
life at the end of the day.

01:29:12.147 --> 01:29:15.083
So just to echo what Todd
said about starting,

01:29:15.083 --> 01:29:16.651
just commit to action

01:29:16.651 --> 01:29:20.989
and we'll get there, all
of us together through that.

01:29:20.989 --> 01:29:22.591
>>Absolutely. Many
thanks, absolutely.

01:29:22.591 --> 01:29:25.160
And Kiran we'll give
you the last word,

01:29:25.160 --> 01:29:26.995
parting thoughts
for the audience.

01:29:26.995 --> 01:29:28.763
>>Sure. I just want to say

01:29:28.763 --> 01:29:32.901
I'm sure for many of you that
this is a topic you're new to.

01:29:32.901 --> 01:29:34.135
It can be overwhelming.

01:29:34.135 --> 01:29:37.105
There's a number of different
departments, agencies.

01:29:37.105 --> 01:29:39.341
We talked about Fusion Centers.

01:29:39.341 --> 01:29:43.445
So I just wanted to echo
some of my fellow panelists.

01:29:43.445 --> 01:29:45.146
We have resources.

01:29:45.146 --> 01:29:47.249
Feel free to reach out,
certainly to SALDEF

01:29:47.249 --> 01:29:49.551
and I'm sure my other panelists

01:29:49.551 --> 01:29:51.453
have resources as well
if you don't know

01:29:51.453 --> 01:29:53.188
where to start.

01:29:53.188 --> 01:29:55.457
Communities have been
through this before,

01:29:55.457 --> 01:29:56.858
you know, houses of worship

01:29:56.858 --> 01:30:00.262
unfortunately have had to deal
with this across the country,

01:30:00.262 --> 01:30:03.999
so there are steps to
take and there's resources

01:30:03.999 --> 01:30:05.433
that have been
compiled out there.

01:30:05.433 --> 01:30:08.703
So just feel free to reach
out and we're happy to help.

01:30:08.703 --> 01:30:09.804
>>Absolutely.

01:30:09.804 --> 01:30:11.940
Alright and with that I want to
leave one more resource,

01:30:11.940 --> 01:30:14.075
so the Center for Faith-Based
Neighborhood Partnerships

01:30:14.075 --> 01:30:17.078
has curated a lot of the
federal government resources

01:30:17.078 --> 01:30:18.213
in one place

01:30:18.213 --> 01:30:19.814
and I wanted to leave
that link for you all.

01:30:19.814 --> 01:30:23.685
Again, thank you all very much
for joining our panel today.

01:30:23.685 --> 01:30:27.589
And I'll pass it
back over to Holly.

01:30:27.589 --> 01:30:29.257
>>Thank you so much.

01:30:29.257 --> 01:30:30.859
Thank you to all
of our panelists.

01:30:30.859 --> 01:30:33.228
It was a really great discussion
with practical steps

01:30:33.228 --> 01:30:36.097
and tools that people can use.

01:30:36.097 --> 01:30:38.833
And it's so important because so
often we can talk about

01:30:38.833 --> 01:30:40.769
these things and it can
feel insurmountable.

01:30:40.769 --> 01:30:43.471
So thank you to our panelists
for giving tangible,

01:30:43.471 --> 01:30:45.473
concrete things that
we can be doing,

01:30:45.473 --> 01:30:48.043
really appreciate
your time today.

01:30:48.043 --> 01:30:51.680
So we're going to take a quick
break until two o'clock

01:30:51.680 --> 01:30:53.415
and at two o'clock we're
going to start our

01:30:53.415 --> 01:30:58.486
last panel of the
two day conference.

01:30:58.486 --> 01:31:02.090
This panel is going to be on
Moving Past the CDE Era:

01:31:02.090 --> 01:31:05.126
The New National Strategy for
Countering Domestic Terrorism.

01:31:05.126 --> 01:31:06.828
I think this is an
excellent bookend

01:31:06.828 --> 01:31:08.496
to all of the conversations

01:31:08.496 --> 01:31:10.398
that we've been having
about how we're really

01:31:10.398 --> 01:31:13.468
moving into a productive
future based on

01:31:13.468 --> 01:31:15.770
a whole of society
public health approach.

01:31:15.770 --> 01:31:20.342
So we look forward to hosting
you again in about 29 minutes.

01:31:20.342 --> 01:31:23.812
Get some coffee, get
some tea or a snack

01:31:23.812 --> 01:31:25.380
and we'll see you
back very soon.

01:31:25.380 --> 01:31:26.348
Thank you so much.