WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:03.480 Next, we have the great privilege 2 00:00:03.560 --> 00:00:07.560 of welcoming Tim Figures, Associate Director 3 00:00:07.560 --> 00:00:11.360 of Global Trade and Investment of Boston Consulting Group. 4 00:00:11.440 --> 00:00:12.360 Tim is right up there. 5 00:00:12.360 --> 00:00:15.360 Hello, Tim. 6 00:00:15.520 --> 00:00:19.200 Well, good morning, everybody. 7 00:00:19.280 --> 00:00:21.200 So Tim is based in London, 8 00:00:21.200 --> 00:00:25.360 so this is getting into the evening time for him. 9 00:00:25.440 --> 00:00:27.640 And he's he's joining us virtually today. 10 00:00:27.640 --> 00:00:31.960 Of course, as a senior expert on geopolitics, 11 00:00:32.000 --> 00:00:36.680 geopolitics and trade impact within BCGs global Advantage practice. 12 00:00:36.760 --> 00:00:39.680 He's also a founding member of BCG, Center 13 00:00:39.680 --> 00:00:43.520 for Climate and Sustainability Policy and Regulation. 14 00:00:43.600 --> 00:00:48.840 Tim brings 25 years of experience at the intersection of public policy, 15 00:00:48.920 --> 00:00:52.760 international geopolitics, business regulation and strategy, 16 00:00:52.960 --> 00:00:56.480 and has sectoral experience in international aviation, 17 00:00:56.560 --> 00:01:01.120 manufacturing, energy, transport and the digital economy. 18 00:01:01.200 --> 00:01:04.879 Tim has been a lead author for several publications in the field 19 00:01:04.879 --> 00:01:09.440 of sustainable trade, most recently, and this is newly minted. 20 00:01:09.520 --> 00:01:12.800 Tim, I think you shared this with me last week. 21 00:01:12.880 --> 00:01:15.400 It is a publication entitled 22 00:01:15.400 --> 00:01:18.400 What Future for Climate and Trade 23 00:01:18.440 --> 00:01:22.200 Scenarios and Strategies for Carbon Competitiveness. 24 00:01:22.280 --> 00:01:26.160 It's published in collaboration with the World Economic Forum. 25 00:01:26.240 --> 00:01:27.640 Importantly for 26 00:01:27.640 --> 00:01:32.280 all of us here to know, Tim also served for more than a decade in the UK 27 00:01:32.280 --> 00:01:37.120 government, including a stint as the ministerial advisor on EU affairs 28 00:01:37.280 --> 00:01:41.040 and trade to the UK Secretary of State for Business, Energy 29 00:01:41.040 --> 00:01:46.400 and Industrial Strategy following the 2016 Brexit referendum. 30 00:01:46.480 --> 00:01:48.240 Let's give Tim a warm welcome. 31 00:01:52.040 --> 00:01:53.560 Thank you very much, Liane. 32 00:01:53.560 --> 00:01:57.800 And I hope everyone can hear me okay and also see my slides. 33 00:01:58.360 --> 00:02:03.440 So a conscious that I am speaking to an audience. 34 00:02:03.800 --> 00:02:08.360 People involved with customs, trade and logistics. 35 00:02:08.360 --> 00:02:12.400 I'd really like to focus my remarks on supply 36 00:02:12.400 --> 00:02:15.800 chains, something that I'm sure all of us are very familiar with 37 00:02:15.800 --> 00:02:19.080 and how they can be a game changer 38 00:02:19.320 --> 00:02:22.320 on the road to net zero. 39 00:02:22.720 --> 00:02:24.920 But just before I get into the details, 40 00:02:24.920 --> 00:02:30.360 let's just take a couple of steps back and remind ourselves 41 00:02:30.440 --> 00:02:36.760 why we are seeing a globally significant and a significant increase 42 00:02:37.080 --> 00:02:41.320 in the focus on regulation by governments, 43 00:02:42.160 --> 00:02:46.360 whether it is in the UK or the European Union or in North America. 44 00:02:46.360 --> 00:02:50.960 We're seeing increasing efforts, whether it's through regulation 45 00:02:50.960 --> 00:02:56.520 or incentives, to try to drive businesses to decarbonize. 46 00:02:56.800 --> 00:02:59.520 And that's essentially because 47 00:02:59.520 --> 00:03:05.520 two years ago at the COP26 conference in Glasgow, in Scotland, 48 00:03:05.520 --> 00:03:08.880 and then again last year at Sharm el-Sheikh in Egypt, 49 00:03:09.720 --> 00:03:14.320 the world's leading economies committed to net zero target. 50 00:03:14.320 --> 00:03:18.160 So that's dates by which that economies will be net zero. 51 00:03:18.160 --> 00:03:21.800 And for most developed economies, that date is 2050. 52 00:03:22.680 --> 00:03:27.040 And having committed to do that in an international context, 53 00:03:27.400 --> 00:03:30.880 governments went back and started thinking about, well, 54 00:03:30.880 --> 00:03:35.400 what do I actually need to do in order to shift my economy 55 00:03:35.600 --> 00:03:40.120 from where it is today to one that fulfills this international commitments 56 00:03:40.120 --> 00:03:43.960 I've made to be net zero by 2050. 57 00:03:44.680 --> 00:03:48.840 And there are really only six things governments 58 00:03:48.840 --> 00:03:54.400 can do to get from where we are now, see where we need to be to align 59 00:03:54.400 --> 00:03:58.000 with those UN FCCC commitments. 60 00:03:58.320 --> 00:04:02.880 You could and this is the most this is the focus in Europe in particular. 61 00:04:03.160 --> 00:04:05.920 You could focus on carbon pricing, say, 62 00:04:05.920 --> 00:04:09.560 charging people to emit CMT. 63 00:04:09.760 --> 00:04:14.920 And in Europe there is a long established carbon price which does that. 64 00:04:15.360 --> 00:04:19.680 You could start to think about extending that carbon price to imports 65 00:04:19.680 --> 00:04:23.560 as the European Union is going to be doing from October this year. 66 00:04:23.560 --> 00:04:27.440 And I'll come back to talk a little bit more about that in due course. 67 00:04:27.840 --> 00:04:30.880 But there are also a range of other things towards the right hand 68 00:04:30.880 --> 00:04:31.880 side of this slide. 69 00:04:31.880 --> 00:04:35.640 You could give out subsidies or grants of various sorts, 70 00:04:35.920 --> 00:04:38.960 such as the very significant tax breaks 71 00:04:38.960 --> 00:04:42.760 now being offered under the US Inflation 72 00:04:42.760 --> 00:04:46.600 Reduction Act, an Investment Infrastructure and Jobs Act. 73 00:04:47.040 --> 00:04:52.480 You could have standards and mandates such as the Clean Fuel 74 00:04:52.480 --> 00:04:57.360 Standard, that that exists in certain parts of the United States. 75 00:04:57.360 --> 00:04:59.080 Or you could have in the US. 76 00:04:59.080 --> 00:05:01.840 Federal government is a big user, 77 00:05:01.840 --> 00:05:05.320 obviously that you could have government procurement requirements 78 00:05:05.800 --> 00:05:10.120 that mean that you can only buy green goods and services 79 00:05:10.120 --> 00:05:14.120 however you define those with government money or government funded programs. 80 00:05:14.120 --> 00:05:18.920 So all of these things are going on now to a greater degree or a lesser degree, 81 00:05:18.920 --> 00:05:22.520 depending on which country in the world you're looking at in order to drive 82 00:05:22.840 --> 00:05:24.160 regulation. 83 00:05:24.160 --> 00:05:27.160 But those things are mostly 84 00:05:27.160 --> 00:05:30.160 focused on what goes on in our country. 85 00:05:30.200 --> 00:05:36.480 But the reality is that we are seeing different degrees 86 00:05:36.480 --> 00:05:40.480 of commitment to achieving net zero depending on where you are in the world. 87 00:05:40.480 --> 00:05:45.040 So developed economies going for net zero by 2050 88 00:05:45.600 --> 00:05:50.720 with clear plans in place, but other parts of the world less so. 89 00:05:51.000 --> 00:05:56.320 And when you have this differential between by and large developed 90 00:05:56.320 --> 00:06:01.200 or emerging markets in terms of how quickly or how effectively 91 00:06:01.480 --> 00:06:05.640 they'll get to net zero, that creates a bit of a problem because 92 00:06:07.120 --> 00:06:08.440 it's not just 93 00:06:08.440 --> 00:06:12.280 emissions domestically that we need to worry about, 94 00:06:12.640 --> 00:06:17.160 it's also emissions that come through supply chains. 95 00:06:17.600 --> 00:06:22.080 And what we tried to do a few years ago with BCG building on some data 96 00:06:22.080 --> 00:06:26.280 that the Organization for Economic Co-operation and Development produce. 97 00:06:26.280 --> 00:06:33.560 And let's just get an idea about how money or how much embodied emissions 98 00:06:33.800 --> 00:06:37.320 you find embedded in global supply chains. 99 00:06:37.320 --> 00:06:43.240 And not really surprisingly, you can see that the US and Europe import 100 00:06:43.240 --> 00:06:48.480 significant amounts of CO2 in products that are made in places like China 101 00:06:48.480 --> 00:06:54.360 and India, where the current climate arrangements and carbon prices 102 00:06:54.640 --> 00:06:58.680 are lower or different compared to Western economies. 103 00:06:59.520 --> 00:07:04.160 So that means that we shouldn't just concentrate on what we do domestically. 104 00:07:04.160 --> 00:07:09.160 We have also got to look at how we can decarbonize our supply chains 105 00:07:09.520 --> 00:07:14.240 if we're able to genuinely decarbonize global trade. 106 00:07:15.160 --> 00:07:18.480 And of course, just a quick reminder 107 00:07:18.480 --> 00:07:22.720 about some of the terminology that we tend to use here when we do this. 108 00:07:23.640 --> 00:07:26.640 I'm sure you'll be be familiar with this 109 00:07:26.800 --> 00:07:29.720 if you're looking at how emissions are categorized 110 00:07:29.720 --> 00:07:32.720 as scope one, which is your direct emissions 111 00:07:32.800 --> 00:07:37.240 from your industrial process, Scope two, which is electricity mainly. 112 00:07:37.680 --> 00:07:41.800 But those red arrows I showed you on the previous slide, all what we showed 113 00:07:41.800 --> 00:07:47.680 here on the left in the yellow arrows, the scope, three upstream emissions 114 00:07:47.920 --> 00:07:52.240 which are related to things like travel and transport emissions, 115 00:07:52.600 --> 00:07:55.400 but also the emissions that went into products 116 00:07:55.400 --> 00:08:00.680 that you bought upstream and then fed into your supply chain. 117 00:08:02.120 --> 00:08:03.920 When you try to 118 00:08:03.920 --> 00:08:07.600 drill down into those supply chain emissions, 119 00:08:07.960 --> 00:08:11.920 actually you find that there are eight supply chains 120 00:08:11.920 --> 00:08:17.880 that are responsible for slightly over half of all global emissions. 121 00:08:18.320 --> 00:08:21.720 And you can see them here food, construction, fashion, fast moving 122 00:08:21.720 --> 00:08:27.400 consumer goods, electronics, automotive, professional services and other freight. 123 00:08:27.400 --> 00:08:30.520 And you see on the right hand side of this slide, 124 00:08:31.760 --> 00:08:36.640 freight and manufacture sharing are key elements within that, 125 00:08:36.840 --> 00:08:40.880 but also for some of the more energy intensive products. 126 00:08:40.880 --> 00:08:43.520 So for example, construction uses a lot of steel, 127 00:08:43.520 --> 00:08:46.360 which is an energy intensive good in itself. 128 00:08:46.360 --> 00:08:49.480 So if you focus on these 129 00:08:49.840 --> 00:08:52.640 eight supply chains and working out 130 00:08:52.640 --> 00:08:57.200 how we can decarbonize those, then that actually 131 00:08:57.480 --> 00:09:01.400 can make a significant impact on reducing global emissions. 132 00:09:01.400 --> 00:09:05.400 So if you in the room involves without looking at any of these 133 00:09:05.400 --> 00:09:08.720 eight sectors, then I'd suggest this is a priority 134 00:09:08.720 --> 00:09:14.040 that you might want to focus on looking at these various elements. 135 00:09:14.040 --> 00:09:17.480 And I would just say in order to focus on where to take action. 136 00:09:19.280 --> 00:09:22.800 Now, it's not just 137 00:09:24.320 --> 00:09:26.560 voluntary measures that are happening. 138 00:09:26.560 --> 00:09:31.520 There are quite a lot of shifting regulations taking place globally, 139 00:09:31.720 --> 00:09:36.840 which will require companies, logistics providers and others 140 00:09:36.840 --> 00:09:42.400 with long supply chains to focus on decarbonization and emissions. 141 00:09:42.720 --> 00:09:46.200 One such measure, which I spend a lot of my time thinking about, 142 00:09:46.480 --> 00:09:50.560 is the EU carbon border tax or carbon border adjustment mechanism 143 00:09:50.560 --> 00:09:56.040 to give it its proper title, which is starting in October this year. 144 00:09:56.440 --> 00:09:59.840 A number of other jurisdictions around the world are looking at doing 145 00:09:59.840 --> 00:10:00.560 similar things. 146 00:10:00.560 --> 00:10:04.240 By 2030 we might have five or six similar 147 00:10:04.640 --> 00:10:09.680 measures in place worldwide about the EU carbon border adjustment mechanism. 148 00:10:09.760 --> 00:10:13.320 Mechanism does is apply for the first time 149 00:10:14.160 --> 00:10:16.480 effectively an import tariff 150 00:10:16.480 --> 00:10:19.960 based on embedded carbon emissions 151 00:10:20.320 --> 00:10:25.160 contained within certain energy intensive goods, including things like steel, 152 00:10:25.320 --> 00:10:30.840 aluminum, cement, fertilizers, electricity and hydrogen. 153 00:10:31.320 --> 00:10:36.040 And that tax or tariff is calculated not as a percentage 154 00:10:36.040 --> 00:10:40.600 of the value of the product, but by multiplying the carbon 155 00:10:40.600 --> 00:10:45.760 content of that product, the embedded emissions contained within it 156 00:10:46.360 --> 00:10:49.000 by the EU carbon price, 157 00:10:49.000 --> 00:10:54.600 which is a euro amount per tonne of carbon, which fluctuates, 158 00:10:54.880 --> 00:10:57.800 it's currently around €90, 159 00:10:57.800 --> 00:11:01.320 so 95 USD per tonne of carbon. 160 00:11:01.440 --> 00:11:05.360 So from October this year, progressively this will be introduced 161 00:11:05.360 --> 00:11:08.360 and that really requires 162 00:11:08.400 --> 00:11:10.960 producers and importers, 163 00:11:10.960 --> 00:11:13.960 including customs representatives 164 00:11:13.960 --> 00:11:17.320 involved in those supply chains, to calculate 165 00:11:17.560 --> 00:11:22.080 and declare embodied emissions and in due course, pay a tax on them. 166 00:11:22.080 --> 00:11:24.840 And if other countries around the world do something similar, 167 00:11:24.840 --> 00:11:28.480 then that really I think will start focusing the minds of everyone 168 00:11:28.480 --> 00:11:31.880 involved in supply chains on exactly how much carbon 169 00:11:31.880 --> 00:11:34.880 is being transported around and what it's going to cost 170 00:11:35.080 --> 00:11:38.200 in terms of these compliance taxes. 171 00:11:38.960 --> 00:11:42.320 But there are also a range of other drivers 172 00:11:42.960 --> 00:11:45.960 such as investor pressure. 173 00:11:45.960 --> 00:11:48.960 So in particularly in Europe, 174 00:11:49.200 --> 00:11:52.200 a focus on ESG advancements 175 00:11:52.280 --> 00:11:55.240 and investors making clear 176 00:11:55.240 --> 00:11:59.880 they would prioritize investments in companies with good ESG scores. 177 00:11:59.880 --> 00:12:05.160 I appreciate the debate is a little bit a little bit different 178 00:12:05.680 --> 00:12:08.800 in North America in that companies 179 00:12:09.000 --> 00:12:12.000 receiving a discount on their financing 180 00:12:12.080 --> 00:12:15.880 if they are deemed to be great, alternatively a financing penalty. 181 00:12:16.160 --> 00:12:20.920 If they are not, we are seeing new carbon and climate 182 00:12:20.920 --> 00:12:24.720 disclosure rules, particularly for listed companies 183 00:12:25.120 --> 00:12:28.120 by regulators such as the SEC 184 00:12:28.120 --> 00:12:31.200 and ESMA and in Europe 185 00:12:31.200 --> 00:12:35.440 we see new rules coming into force in a couple of years time, 186 00:12:35.680 --> 00:12:38.640 which will require larger companies to undertake 187 00:12:38.640 --> 00:12:42.480 ESG due diligence through their supply chain. 188 00:12:43.240 --> 00:12:45.880 So also tightening product 189 00:12:45.880 --> 00:12:48.880 and carbon footprint standards 190 00:12:49.160 --> 00:12:52.720 and also the increase subsidy conditionality, 191 00:12:52.960 --> 00:12:58.120 meaning that only products that meet certain environmental standards 192 00:12:58.440 --> 00:13:01.600 would be eligible for subsidies and 193 00:13:01.600 --> 00:13:05.360 or could be sold on the market. 194 00:13:05.360 --> 00:13:08.600 So electric vehicle batteries in the European Union 195 00:13:08.600 --> 00:13:10.040 and are a good example of this. 196 00:13:10.040 --> 00:13:15.520 So importers of those products need to understand and verify the supply 197 00:13:15.520 --> 00:13:21.560 chain emissions upstream in order to be able to sell them on the market. 198 00:13:21.920 --> 00:13:26.200 And also we see consumer pressure in particular campaigns 199 00:13:26.200 --> 00:13:30.040 by various NGOs against high impact products 200 00:13:30.280 --> 00:13:34.840 such as those, for example, made on land subject to deforestation. 201 00:13:35.320 --> 00:13:38.640 So all of those regulatory, financial 202 00:13:39.280 --> 00:13:42.280 and investor drives are at play. 203 00:13:42.400 --> 00:13:45.280 But there's also the fact, 204 00:13:45.280 --> 00:13:49.960 as we found out in our research, that it is possible to abate around 205 00:13:49.960 --> 00:13:56.200 40% of the emissions in those eight key supply chains, relatively low cost. 206 00:13:56.200 --> 00:14:00.400 So this is something that's probably cheaper to do anyway, 207 00:14:00.520 --> 00:14:04.480 irrespective of all these regulatory drivers and obligations. 208 00:14:04.760 --> 00:14:10.400 The may be we all at first thought and if you try to say, well, okay, 209 00:14:10.400 --> 00:14:14.520 well what might this mean in terms of the cost per unit? 210 00:14:14.520 --> 00:14:19.200 Well, we think about less 211 00:14:19.200 --> 00:14:23.320 than a dollar increase on a $40 pair of jeans, 212 00:14:23.600 --> 00:14:26.600 2% average cost increase on a car, 213 00:14:27.400 --> 00:14:30.400 maybe $5 increase 214 00:14:31.000 --> 00:14:35.840 on $150,000 construction cost. 215 00:14:36.040 --> 00:14:38.720 These are relatively small amounts. 216 00:14:38.720 --> 00:14:43.320 When you look at them in percentage terms compared to the costs of these products. 217 00:14:45.000 --> 00:14:45.720 Now, taking 218 00:14:45.720 --> 00:14:49.240 all of that, how actually might we deliver 219 00:14:49.560 --> 00:14:52.560 a decarbonized supply chain? 220 00:14:52.840 --> 00:14:56.640 Well, we've looked at this in some detail, 221 00:14:56.640 --> 00:14:59.640 particularly around the implementation 222 00:14:59.760 --> 00:15:03.800 of the EU carbon border tax that I was discussing earlier. 223 00:15:04.360 --> 00:15:08.320 We think data is the key because supply chains, 224 00:15:08.320 --> 00:15:12.640 as you all know, are very complex and involve a number of partners. 225 00:15:12.640 --> 00:15:15.640 So this little map on the left 226 00:15:15.760 --> 00:15:18.760 we look at, we imagine 227 00:15:18.760 --> 00:15:21.520 some steel being sold in the EU. 228 00:15:21.520 --> 00:15:24.560 It starts off as iron ore mines in Australia is 229 00:15:24.560 --> 00:15:27.600 then set to Japan where it's turned into steel. 230 00:15:27.840 --> 00:15:31.680 It's then sail to Rotterdam where it's imported into the European Union, 231 00:15:32.000 --> 00:15:33.280 then goes to Germany, 232 00:15:33.280 --> 00:15:37.080 where it's made into a car that might be sold back to Japan again. 233 00:15:37.080 --> 00:15:38.560 You never know where Australia. 234 00:15:38.560 --> 00:15:42.960 So there could be a complete circle in the emissions in that supply chain. 235 00:15:43.320 --> 00:15:49.240 So making sure that at every stage in a complex supply chain like this, 236 00:15:49.560 --> 00:15:55.040 there is accurate, verifiable data about the emissions that can 237 00:15:55.040 --> 00:16:00.560 then be added up and transport transferred forward as the product is 238 00:16:00.760 --> 00:16:04.440 is transformed, is going to be is going to be critical. 239 00:16:04.440 --> 00:16:07.640 And you can see on the right hand side here 240 00:16:07.960 --> 00:16:11.800 examples of some of the questions we think that producers, 241 00:16:11.920 --> 00:16:16.360 logistics providers and other supply chain participants should be asking 242 00:16:16.720 --> 00:16:20.120 in order to get to this new reality. 243 00:16:20.320 --> 00:16:23.800 Because without data, without secure, transferable 244 00:16:23.800 --> 00:16:27.280 and reliable data, this is not is not going to work. 245 00:16:27.760 --> 00:16:31.600 It also means if you are engaged in trade compliance, 246 00:16:31.600 --> 00:16:36.600 that the trade compliance process is going to become 247 00:16:37.360 --> 00:16:40.360 a little bit more complicated 248 00:16:40.360 --> 00:16:43.360 because things like carbon border restrictions, 249 00:16:43.520 --> 00:16:46.720 other ESG aspects such as human rights and so forth, 250 00:16:47.080 --> 00:16:48.160 are increasingly 251 00:16:48.160 --> 00:16:52.000 going to be things that will be checked and regulated at the border 252 00:16:52.600 --> 00:16:58.040 and your trade compliance arrangements and process is need to be set up 253 00:16:58.040 --> 00:17:02.440 in order to cope with these things rather than just the traditional issues 254 00:17:02.440 --> 00:17:06.280 such as have I got the right tariff, I've, I got my certificate of origin, have I, 255 00:17:06.280 --> 00:17:09.400 did my know my customer, have I avoided sanctions, people 256 00:17:09.400 --> 00:17:12.640 and all of that sort of thing that you're used to enforcing at the border. 257 00:17:12.839 --> 00:17:17.800 Carbon will increasingly become a border issue and a trade compliance issue. 258 00:17:19.240 --> 00:17:20.640 So just finally 259 00:17:20.640 --> 00:17:24.240 for me, four steps for next steps 260 00:17:24.839 --> 00:17:28.119 that we'd suggest customs agencies in the logistics 261 00:17:28.119 --> 00:17:32.800 sector should be thinking about, particularly if you are in the logistics 262 00:17:32.800 --> 00:17:37.400 business, it's really important to understand your own emissions footprint. 263 00:17:37.400 --> 00:17:43.560 So, for example, the emissions from ships or planes or trucks that you operate 264 00:17:43.840 --> 00:17:47.920 because your scope one emissions or your customer scope three emissions, 265 00:17:48.160 --> 00:17:52.200 your customers increasingly are going to want to know the emissions 266 00:17:52.200 --> 00:17:55.960 footprint of the goods they buy and they will start asking you 267 00:17:55.960 --> 00:17:58.960 for this information if they have not done so already. 268 00:17:59.680 --> 00:18:02.680 Secondly, as I as I was mentioning, 269 00:18:02.760 --> 00:18:07.840 carbon is going to become something increasingly that is calculated, 270 00:18:07.840 --> 00:18:12.080 assessed and enforced at the border and sometimes behind the border. 271 00:18:12.080 --> 00:18:15.720 That is going to require new systems and processes, 272 00:18:16.000 --> 00:18:19.800 whether you are a customs agency or whether you are a logistics provider 273 00:18:19.800 --> 00:18:22.800 or anybody else involved at the border 274 00:18:22.800 --> 00:18:25.400 in order to prepare and enforce that. 275 00:18:25.400 --> 00:18:28.840 Thirdly, are really important to collect, 276 00:18:29.200 --> 00:18:31.880 share and analyze data 277 00:18:33.280 --> 00:18:34.160 right throughout 278 00:18:34.160 --> 00:18:37.160 supply chains about carbon footprints 279 00:18:37.240 --> 00:18:40.920 in order to improve efficiency and transparency, not just for you, 280 00:18:41.160 --> 00:18:44.560 but for your customers who are increasingly going to require that 281 00:18:44.880 --> 00:18:48.200 for their own reporting and strategic purposes. 282 00:18:48.640 --> 00:18:52.000 And then finally, really, really important to set targets 283 00:18:52.000 --> 00:18:55.000 for emissions reductions, 284 00:18:55.480 --> 00:18:59.600 both for your own emissions and those embedded in your supply chains 285 00:18:59.840 --> 00:19:04.600 to benchmark against competitors and peers to see how you're doing compared to them 286 00:19:04.920 --> 00:19:09.080 and be prepared to transparently and openly report progress so 287 00:19:09.080 --> 00:19:14.160 everyone can see how we're getting on in what will need to be a global endeavor 288 00:19:14.760 --> 00:19:18.680 to make sure we get to the net zero supply chains of the future. 289 00:19:19.040 --> 00:19:20.560 Thank you very much for your time today. 290 00:19:20.560 --> 00:19:23.720 I hope that was helpful and be grateful. 291 00:19:24.120 --> 00:19:27.120 I'll be very happy to respond to any quick questions or comments. 292 00:19:27.120 --> 00:19:28.600 Thank you. On one hand, back to Liam.