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Good afternoon, I am Chrissi
Guth with CBP's Office of Trade

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Relations.

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Today's webinar is on Heading
8472 other office machines.

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Please be mindful that you will
be on mute during the

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presentation.

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Therefore, we ask that you
please submit any questions you

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have in the chat feature.

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If you plan to request the
optional CCS or CES credits

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through the NCBFAA Educational
Institute, please check the chat

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box for the completion code.

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It will be provided several
times throughout the webinar.

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Now I would like to pass it over
to National Import Specialist,

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Anthony Grossi.

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Thank you for the introduction,
Chrissi.

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Good afternoon to everyone or
good morning to those on the

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West Coast.

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On behalf of the National
Commodity Specialist Division or

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the NCSD as we like to refer to
it, I'd like to welcome you all

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to our 2024 webinar training.

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As Chrissi said, my name is
Anthony Grossi.

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I'm National Import Specialist
or NIS 118 and today I'll be

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speaking to you about heading
8472, which provides for other

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office machinery.

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Now, if you have any questions
during the presentation, feel

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free to type them into the chat
box at any time because this

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webinar is being recorded.

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I've been advised that it's best
for me to take to answer those

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questions at the end of the
presentation.

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So, you know, type them in if
you have them and then at the

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end I'll answer them and we'll
also have some time to take

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other questions that I can
address.

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OK, so as I said, this webinar
is being recorded and it will be

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posted to the CBP website.

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This is the link for our
external stakeholders, the

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direct link.

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You can go on to the CBP website
and find it, but this is the the

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direct link.

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Just give it a few days or a
week before it's posted.

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This is my contact information
along with that of of my

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associates, Iris Bumberg and
Benjamin Benjamin Peleg.

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Our offices are in downtown
Manhattan in One World Trade

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Center.

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In this these days of remote
work, the best way to reach me

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is probably through e-mail.

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And then if you want to speak on
the phone or set up a Teams

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meeting, we could do that.

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OK, I just have a few
housekeeping slides that I need

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to get through.

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This slide is contains the CBP
mission statement along with the

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Office of Trade mission
statement.

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And I have a just a few
disclaimers.

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This is just a reminder that our
webinars are for general

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informational purposes only and
that alliance on these, the

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information in this webinar may
not be considered reasonable

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care.

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This is a disclaimer about any
images that I have in the

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presentation.

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The images are for educational
purposes only and do not

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represent any endorsement or
approval by CBP, and they've

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also been obtained through the
proper channels.

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This slide concerns and will
bind the NCS DS binding ruling

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program.

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This is the direct link to the E
ruling template.

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You can still submit your
rulings on paper and mail them

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to us, but we do encourage the
that you submit them

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electronically.

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It's free to the importing
community, so as if you mail

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them, but it's free and the
template is very easy to use and

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you can attach after you go
through the template, you can

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attach documents such as Word
documents, PowerPoints, Excel

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sheets.

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You can even attach videos of
your product or machine in use.

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The one thing I will say about
ruling some submissions, there's

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no such thing as too much
information.

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Submit as much as you can on
your machine, apparatus or

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product.

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The more we have the better and
you should have an answer within

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30 days from us.

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If we don't have an information
enough information, we might

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send you an e-mail.

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If we require a lot more
information, you'll probably get

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a letter from us asking For more
information.

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So it's beneficial to you as the
importer or the customs broker

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and us and CSD for you to submit
as much information as possible.

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OK, so before I get into heading
8472, which I handle, I just

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want to go over show you some of
the other chapters and headings

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I handle.

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I handle about half of chapter
82, which is primarily hand

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tools.

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And if you see, you see this
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basically just other hand tools.

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There are there's some crossover
with heading 8472 and as I go

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through the presentation, I have
some examples of that.

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Then I handle quite a number of
headings in Chapter 84.

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On this slide, you can see I
handle a lot of agricultural,

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horticultural and forestry
machinery.

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That's this slide.

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And then I handle industrial
preparation or manufacturer of

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food or drink.

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And then if you see at the
bottom, in addition to heading

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8472, I handle 8443 which is
printing machinery, which is

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your basic desktop printer.

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And you may be saying yourself,
well isn't a desktop printer an

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office machine?

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And yes, technically it is, but
for classification purposes it

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is not.

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And we'll go over why that is
the case in the next coming

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slides.

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So a couple of things to go over
regarding the heading 8472.

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First of all, when I go over a
heading, I'd like to include a

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snapshot of the heading as it
appears in the current tariff.

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In this case, this is the 2024
tariff.

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Couple of things you can see
it's not a very not a

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particularly large heading.

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We're going to go over each one
of these subheadings and then

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we'll go over the other
provision.

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The other thing you might notice
is that it's primarily free in

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the general column.

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It is.

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These subheadings are subject to
Section 3O1 duties.

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If your machine or apparatus is
from China, the one thing you

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may have noticed is that the
heading does not include parts,

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doesn't have a provision for
parts and accessories.

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Parts and accessories are
classified for the most part in

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heading 847340.

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I, as NIS 118, don't handle this
heading.

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A little unusual, but that's
just the way it happened.

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I don't handle the heading so we
won't be going over parts today

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or accessories of machines of
Henning 8472.

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Just keep in mind that for the
most part they are classified in

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Henning 847340.

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Few more things I just want you
to be aware of about the

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heading.

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It has changed a bit over the
years like other headings have.

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So for Henning 8472, prior to
2007, there were some printing

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machinery was classified here in
Henning 8472 and then with the

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advent of the 2007 tariff, this
was moved over to 8443.

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00:09:13.640 --> 00:09:19.116
I mentioned this because if you
use CROSS, which is our online

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00:09:19.116 --> 00:09:24.245
ruling search database, be
careful when you're researching

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00:09:24.245 --> 00:09:29.286
rulings, look at the dates
because some of these rulings,

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00:09:29.286 --> 00:09:33.720
these rulings are not going to
show up as revoked.

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00:09:35.200 --> 00:09:38.684
They're going on they're,
they're, they are technically

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00:09:38.684 --> 00:09:42.728
revoked by operation of law, but
they're not going to show up as

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00:09:42.728 --> 00:09:43.039
that.

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00:09:43.040 --> 00:09:43.480
And Cross.

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00:09:43.480 --> 00:09:47.019
So you know, prior to 2007,
there's going to be some

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00:09:47.019 --> 00:09:51.226
printers that were classified in
ND 8472, that's no longer the

95ddf271-da70-4917-a6b1-9c7618509fbe-2
00:09:51.226 --> 00:09:51.560
case.

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00:09:52.160 --> 00:09:56.840
So just be aware of that, OK.

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00:09:58.440 --> 00:10:03.520
And then one more other thing
about this.

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00:10:03.560 --> 00:10:09.367
The the, the heading is that
prior to 2016, up until 2015,

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00:10:09.367 --> 00:10:15.568
manual typewriters, electrical
typewriters and word processing

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00:10:15.568 --> 00:10:21.671
machines had their own heading
in 8469 and with the advent of

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00:10:21.671 --> 00:10:27.380
the 2016 tariff, this entire
heading went away and it was

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00:10:27.380 --> 00:10:32.400
moved completely over to a
subheading in the 8472.

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00:10:32.800 --> 00:10:36.444
Now with that said, I don't
think we're going to see a lot

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00:10:36.444 --> 00:10:37.000
of these.

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00:10:37.000 --> 00:10:40.720
I'm going to go over the
subheading, but these are not

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00:10:40.720 --> 00:10:45.184
just, well, this is a picture of
an actual manual typewriter, but

666fd1e1-a4f6-449b-83a6-1b582589492f-2
00:10:45.184 --> 00:10:49.445
also electric typewriters and
the old word processing machines

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00:10:49.445 --> 00:10:52.760
are classified in heading in a
subheading a 472.

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00:10:54.240 --> 00:10:55.600
I don't think we're going to see
a lot of it.

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00:10:55.960 --> 00:10:59.395
As you know, it's kind of
outdated technology, but we

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00:10:59.395 --> 00:11:02.640
still have a provision now for
it in heading 8472.

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00:11:05.240 --> 00:11:08.642
OK, so now we'll get into the
actual heading, and this is the

a8d0f6ac-6543-4fed-bf99-ec2e7d7336b8-1
00:11:08.642 --> 00:11:09.960
language of the heading.

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00:11:09.960 --> 00:11:11.720
I'll just read this to you
quickly.

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00:11:12.240 --> 00:11:16.027
So the heading says the language
of the heading is other office

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00:11:16.027 --> 00:11:16.560
machines.

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00:11:16.640 --> 00:11:20.849
And then there's a parentheses
and it says, for example,

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00:11:20.849 --> 00:11:25.575
hexagraph or stencil duplicating
machines, addressing machines,

f86a886f-b27a-405d-9d4a-874d0040ee51-2
00:11:25.575 --> 00:11:29.932
automatic banknote dispensers,
coin sorting machines, coin

f86a886f-b27a-405d-9d4a-874d0040ee51-3
00:11:29.932 --> 00:11:34.289
counting or wrapping machines,
pencil sharpening machines,

f86a886f-b27a-405d-9d4a-874d0040ee51-4
00:11:34.289 --> 00:11:36.800
perforating or stapling
machines.

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00:11:37.360 --> 00:11:40.548
And so a lot of these have their
own subheadings and we'll go

093730c4-8df5-4897-be95-0a33f2d1837b-1
00:11:40.548 --> 00:11:41.680
over each one of them.

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00:11:43.120 --> 00:11:45.760
And as I said before, just go
back.

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00:11:45.920 --> 00:11:50.040
You notice the heading does not
include parts and accessories.

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00:11:51.760 --> 00:11:58.800
OK, So this is the general
explanatory note to heading

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00:11:58.800 --> 00:11:59.440
8472.

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00:11:59.600 --> 00:12:03.865
As many of many you may know,
the explanatory notes, although

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00:12:03.865 --> 00:12:08.062
not legally binding, they are
the official interpretation of

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00:12:08.062 --> 00:12:12.190
the tariff and we use them to
help understand, get a better

2d28f932-f77a-4243-8661-8ff56e8b560d-3
00:12:12.190 --> 00:12:15.080
understanding of what is
classified here.

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00:12:15.640 --> 00:12:19.000
And in this particular case, I
think the heading is important.

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00:12:19.160 --> 00:12:21.889
I mean, I'm sorry, I think the
explanatory note is pretty

2fa49fdf-c7e9-405d-9c4c-fab56cf31147-1
00:12:21.889 --> 00:12:22.360
important.

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00:12:22.680 --> 00:12:25.320
So I'm going to spend a little
time on this slide.

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00:12:27.320 --> 00:12:30.400
I've highlighted some of the
stuff and I'll go over this.

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00:12:30.720 --> 00:12:34.543
So the first part of the
explanatory note says that this

05765679-5235-426c-9335-986b2de3e96e-1
00:12:34.543 --> 00:12:38.165
heading covers all office
machines not covered by the

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00:12:38.165 --> 00:12:41.921
preceding 2 headings, or more
specifically by any other

05765679-5235-426c-9335-986b2de3e96e-3
00:12:41.921 --> 00:12:43.799
heading of the nomenclature.

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00:12:44.080 --> 00:12:50.920
So this is very important in my
opinion.

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00:12:51.320 --> 00:12:55.024
As I said earlier, if you're
classifying in heading 8472, the

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00:12:55.024 --> 00:12:58.789
first question you should ask
yourself is, is the machine more

8fac6096-501c-40cd-9058-429c4cb2a7fc-2
00:12:58.789 --> 00:13:01.000
specifically provided for
elsewhere?

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00:13:01.280 --> 00:13:04.560
And the perfect example for me
is a desktop printer.

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00:13:04.960 --> 00:13:09.678
I still get ruling request
requests from the from the field

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00:13:09.678 --> 00:13:14.554
and they say, oh, I have this
printer is it goes as an office

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00:13:14.554 --> 00:13:16.520
machine and handing 8472.

87ba58c0-19b5-427d-92ed-220fa149bf81-0
00:13:16.760 --> 00:13:18.440
And that's totally
understandable.

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00:13:19.920 --> 00:13:22.880
But that's the first question
you should ask yourself.

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00:13:23.000 --> 00:13:25.764
Is your your machine more
specifically provided for

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00:13:25.764 --> 00:13:27.040
elsewhere in the tariff?

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00:13:29.480 --> 00:13:32.521
The other part of the
explanatory note says the term

9901df4e-e685-4ff9-8e02-1a27c665b154-1
00:13:32.521 --> 00:13:33.440
office machines.

948e1fac-b087-4c49-b086-0f133b293b28-0
00:13:33.840 --> 00:13:37.587
Now the term office machines is
not defined in the tariff

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00:13:37.587 --> 00:13:38.040
itself.

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00:13:38.760 --> 00:13:43.321
So if we look to the explanatory
notes, it says that the term

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00:13:43.321 --> 00:13:47.588
office machines is to be taken
in a wide general sense to

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00:13:47.588 --> 00:13:51.120
include all machines, not just
used in offices.

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00:13:51.400 --> 00:13:57.394
They can be used in shops,
factories, workshops, schools,

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00:13:57.394 --> 00:14:03.389
hotels, even restaurants,
anywhere where it's doing quote

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00:14:03.389 --> 00:14:05.559
UN quote office work.

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00:14:05.960 --> 00:14:10.131
And then the E on EN goes
further on to say that office

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00:14:10.131 --> 00:14:13.929
work, for example, is work
concerning the writing,

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00:14:13.929 --> 00:14:18.175
recording, sorting, filing,
etcetera, of correspondence,

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00:14:18.175 --> 00:14:21.080
documents, forms, records or
accounts.

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00:14:21.120 --> 00:14:24.266
And as we go through the
presentation, you'll see some

09a4dddb-4cc5-40d8-b9ff-a8ae4108138f-1
00:14:24.266 --> 00:14:26.440
examples of that type of office
work.

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00:14:27.800 --> 00:14:31.289
And then the other part of the
explanatory note says office

72046c1c-7d3f-4724-9e71-1908e8c8a75b-1
00:14:31.289 --> 00:14:34.662
machines are classified here
only if they have a base for

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00:14:34.662 --> 00:14:36.640
fixing or for placing on a
table.

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00:14:37.320 --> 00:14:40.860
The heading does not cover the
hand tools such as those not

779e67f3-c14d-4c77-ac87-0e47ed33a6ac-1
00:14:40.860 --> 00:14:43.280
having the base of heading a
chapter 82.

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00:14:43.720 --> 00:14:47.157
And that's when I said earlier
about heading 82 O 5 where

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00:14:47.157 --> 00:14:48.520
there's some crossover.

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00:14:48.760 --> 00:14:52.492
So I have some examples and case
studies coming up of how that

cb84889c-7731-4a5a-b496-09f7058f917d-1
00:14:52.492 --> 00:14:53.440
comes into play.

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00:14:55.080 --> 00:14:57.912
And then it says the machines of
the setting may be hand

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00:14:57.912 --> 00:14:58.360
operated.

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00:14:59.600 --> 00:15:00.520
I'll show you some example.

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00:15:00.520 --> 00:15:04.142
I'll show you an example of a
hand operated office machine,

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00:15:04.142 --> 00:15:07.040
mechanically operated or
electrically operated.

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00:15:07.640 --> 00:15:11.005
So in this case, as I said, I
think the EN is pretty

9e220417-4dd4-47e9-bf5c-9e88e5e8762f-1
00:15:11.005 --> 00:15:11.640
important.

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00:15:13.680 --> 00:15:18.027
OK, again, not to belabor the
the this part about parts and

8c1beac4-554b-4220-b09b-fb1a3605374b-1
00:15:18.027 --> 00:15:22.593
accessories, I'll just this, I
promise the last slide on that,

8c1beac4-554b-4220-b09b-fb1a3605374b-2
00:15:22.593 --> 00:15:26.651
as I said probably twice
already, parts and accessories

8c1beac4-554b-4220-b09b-fb1a3605374b-3
00:15:26.651 --> 00:15:31.216
are not provided for and heading
8472, they are classified for

8c1beac4-554b-4220-b09b-fb1a3605374b-4
00:15:31.216 --> 00:15:33.680
the most part and heading
847340.

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00:15:33.680 --> 00:15:40.760
And I say for the most part
because you know heading 84742

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00:15:40.760 --> 00:15:43.640
falls within section 16.

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00:15:43.840 --> 00:15:49.212
So be sure to follow notes 2A
and 2B when you're classifying

2ccbc2db-5a7b-4955-8010-aa51239f78bd-1
00:15:49.212 --> 00:15:53.000
parts of these machines as just
so has it.

63629212-01a8-42b1-a1fa-2e0e54d4a3f5-0
00:15:53.280 --> 00:15:57.270
I believe we had two webinars
that were done on the these,

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00:15:57.270 --> 00:16:00.720
this note 2A, and then another
webinar done on 2B.

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00:16:02.000 --> 00:16:05.375
Excellent webinars done by
another nisi believe they're

ef1bf47e-f64c-45e4-a227-2d33e7c3ac27-1
00:16:05.375 --> 00:16:06.280
posted already.

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00:16:06.560 --> 00:16:10.958
So just be careful when you're
classifying parts in Chapter 84

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00:16:10.958 --> 00:16:13.960
before because it falls within
section 16.

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00:16:17.160 --> 00:16:22.558
OK, so now we'll get into the
subheadings of the heading and

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00:16:22.558 --> 00:16:27.160
the first one up is 847210000
Duplicating machines.

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00:16:28.000 --> 00:16:32.240
And there is an explanatory note
on this.

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00:16:34.480 --> 00:16:39.294
I won't read the entire EN, but
these are very specific types of

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00:16:39.294 --> 00:16:43.960
machines that use stencils and
emboss plastic or metal plates.

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00:16:44.920 --> 00:16:49.412
The thing to remember here is
that duplicating machines are

5bb93f20-9fe1-4e6e-b1be-4b3863779584-1
00:16:49.412 --> 00:16:53.155
not your classic copying
machines or photocopying

5bb93f20-9fe1-4e6e-b1be-4b3863779584-2
00:16:53.155 --> 00:16:56.600
machines that are classified in
Henning 8443.

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00:16:56.880 --> 00:16:59.520
These are very specific type of
machines.

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00:16:59.840 --> 00:17:04.956
I have a picture here of it's a
really older type of duplicating

4b6f7012-3879-462c-bb5e-b125dedddd79-1
00:17:04.956 --> 00:17:09.680
machine, but you can see it
still uses a drum and stencils.

4ee734b9-fa8d-454f-be26-1b6179f937c4-0
00:17:10.360 --> 00:17:13.688
I think a lot of these machines
are starting to become outdated

4ee734b9-fa8d-454f-be26-1b6179f937c4-1
00:17:13.688 --> 00:17:14.000
a bit.

715dd005-df12-4b9d-87c1-2cf5bd1cc90a-0
00:17:15.000 --> 00:17:18.413
Obviously they're being replaced
by modern day printers, but if

715dd005-df12-4b9d-87c1-2cf5bd1cc90a-1
00:17:18.413 --> 00:17:20.760
they do come in, this is where
it would go.

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00:17:24.320 --> 00:17:30.007
With that said, I do have a
ruling here for digital

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00:17:30.007 --> 00:17:31.320
duplicators.

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00:17:32.320 --> 00:17:35.843
And again, you could see this
machine incorporated the use

51f7be63-0601-4019-aa74-9be7c4116d41-1
00:17:35.843 --> 00:17:39.665
again of a stencil that was then
wrapped around a drum and then

51f7be63-0601-4019-aa74-9be7c4116d41-2
00:17:39.665 --> 00:17:40.920
had ink deposited on.

31db9afd-7bf2-46e4-b088-17ca537060bc-0
00:17:41.480 --> 00:17:44.560
So this is a very specific type
of machine.

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00:17:46.360 --> 00:17:48.880
The take away is, don't you know
it's duplicator?

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00:17:48.880 --> 00:17:53.833
It's not a photocopy or machine
or a copy machine of heading

acb01302-887f-4daf-82ca-af5b143b9b36-1
00:17:53.833 --> 00:17:54.240
8443.

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00:17:57.520 --> 00:18:02.441
OK, so the next subheading up is
8472 thirty, 000 machines for

64a732b1-e455-45f3-a6f6-42ece74f0ed8-1
00:18:02.441 --> 00:18:07.284
sorting or folding mail or for
inserting mail in envelopes or

64a732b1-e455-45f3-a6f6-42ece74f0ed8-2
00:18:07.284 --> 00:18:11.815
bands, machines for opening,
closing or sealing mail, and

64a732b1-e455-45f3-a6f6-42ece74f0ed8-3
00:18:11.815 --> 00:18:15.800
machines for a fixing or
cancelling postage stamp.

b61bd7e3-b409-4358-9c6a-ed478c0576a9-0
00:18:16.240 --> 00:18:20.435
These machines do pretty much
exactly what what they're

b61bd7e3-b409-4358-9c6a-ed478c0576a9-1
00:18:20.435 --> 00:18:20.960
called.

f75f770c-802b-4ba1-9b98-230348de7d1a-0
00:18:21.760 --> 00:18:24.080
There's a couple of explanatory
notes here.

9779e16b-af01-4721-a2fe-fb7a20ac1cce-0
00:18:24.080 --> 00:18:27.610
I put up letter folding
machines, letter opening

9779e16b-af01-4721-a2fe-fb7a20ac1cce-1
00:18:27.610 --> 00:18:31.357
machines, letter closing
machines, stamp cancelling

9779e16b-af01-4721-a2fe-fb7a20ac1cce-2
00:18:31.357 --> 00:18:33.880
machines, letter sorting
machines.

903491d9-7b13-42cf-aa4d-cbe79b377dcb-0
00:18:34.200 --> 00:18:38.391
Letter sorting machines are used
mostly in post offices, but

903491d9-7b13-42cf-aa4d-cbe79b377dcb-1
00:18:38.391 --> 00:18:42.240
again, they're pretty much they
do what they're called.

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00:18:44.200 --> 00:18:47.640
With that said, I have a ruling
here.

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00:18:47.640 --> 00:18:54.070
I put this up because this was a
ruling on printed media

9735ef48-aa2c-4e30-97a2-e4db93c23aa2-1
00:18:54.070 --> 00:18:56.440
distribution systems.

5b00c365-9ff2-4068-8c4a-a3ddfbcce219-0
00:18:56.480 --> 00:18:59.349
And I put this up because I
kept, you know, I keep

5b00c365-9ff2-4068-8c4a-a3ddfbcce219-1
00:18:59.349 --> 00:19:02.669
emphasizing you want to make
sure that your machine is not

5b00c365-9ff2-4068-8c4a-a3ddfbcce219-2
00:19:02.669 --> 00:19:06.158
more specifically classified
elsewhere before putting it into

5b00c365-9ff2-4068-8c4a-a3ddfbcce219-3
00:19:06.158 --> 00:19:06.440
8472.

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00:19:07.160 --> 00:19:12.035
Well, for this ruling we had,
these were actually like systems

cd8de97f-67d3-43ae-be03-f4309a2a5443-1
00:19:12.035 --> 00:19:16.445
and they were designed to
process paper products such as

cd8de97f-67d3-43ae-be03-f4309a2a5443-2
00:19:16.445 --> 00:19:20.160
advertisements, books and
catalogs for mailing.

d984b66e-7b64-4a8c-9581-93ab8c9e689e-0
00:19:20.960 --> 00:19:25.111
The process included product
loading, aiding gathering,

d984b66e-7b64-4a8c-9581-93ab8c9e689e-1
00:19:25.111 --> 00:19:29.560
wrapping, addressing, sorting by
postal code, and stacking.

5a83de68-574c-426a-91d5-9b923d3e3484-0
00:19:30.040 --> 00:19:36.216
Now I've put up 8422 because
heading 8422 is provides for

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00:19:36.216 --> 00:19:38.240
wrapping machinery.

0747ecdb-c218-45e1-a0c5-ee11127ec65c-0
00:19:38.600 --> 00:19:42.896
So without going into too much
detail of this ruling, because

0747ecdb-c218-45e1-a0c5-ee11127ec65c-1
00:19:42.896 --> 00:19:47.123
there was quite a bit of detail,
these systems were actually

0747ecdb-c218-45e1-a0c5-ee11127ec65c-2
00:19:47.123 --> 00:19:49.479
classified as a functional
units.

b70ff057-de3a-4de8-b33d-bd52ba767055-0
00:19:49.920 --> 00:19:54.585
And what took precedence in this
functional unit was the mailing

b70ff057-de3a-4de8-b33d-bd52ba767055-1
00:19:54.585 --> 00:19:55.160
portion.

ecc1d817-fdb0-48e3-bc68-30daf87acadd-0
00:19:55.680 --> 00:20:00.520
So yes, it did wrap, but these
were designed for mailing.

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00:20:01.040 --> 00:20:02.280
So this.

1e327e1f-c7f7-4980-901e-4ad6d19ea021-0
00:20:03.480 --> 00:20:07.754
Functional unit ended up being
classified under heading 847234

1e327e1f-c7f7-4980-901e-4ad6d19ea021-1
00:20:07.754 --> 00:20:11.486
Machines for sorting a folding
mail or for certain for

1e327e1f-c7f7-4980-901e-4ad6d19ea021-2
00:20:11.486 --> 00:20:14.200
inserting mail into envelopes or
bands.

6f4c705c-6f8b-4a6a-a5de-c62f436d9e97-0
00:20:14.480 --> 00:20:18.428
So I put it up because yes, it's
very important to realize that

6f4c705c-6f8b-4a6a-a5de-c62f436d9e97-1
00:20:18.428 --> 00:20:22.130
you want to make sure your
machine is not more specifically

6f4c705c-6f8b-4a6a-a5de-c62f436d9e97-2
00:20:22.130 --> 00:20:25.400
classified elsewhere, but there
are some exceptions.

c37618ea-3c9a-4aaf-b6a9-25c8c6fa15da-0
00:20:26.400 --> 00:20:27.880
You know, this is a functional
unit.

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00:20:27.880 --> 00:20:29.520
So just bear in mind with that.

3bcea27f-9c3a-4503-bf8c-c696ed39490f-0
00:20:33.200 --> 00:20:37.190
OK, so now we'll move on to
heading subjecting eighty

3bcea27f-9c3a-4503-bf8c-c696ed39490f-1
00:20:37.190 --> 00:20:41.992
470-290-0500, which provides for
addressing machines and address

3bcea27f-9c3a-4503-bf8c-c696ed39490f-2
00:20:41.992 --> 00:20:43.840
plate embossing machines.

e3f45a48-82c8-449d-896d-fdff8171f740-0
00:20:45.000 --> 00:20:47.880
And again, we have a, we have an
explanatory note.

abb21082-7974-4578-908f-400c2eb0284a-0
00:20:49.040 --> 00:20:52.858
And again, I won't read the
entire explanatory note for you,

abb21082-7974-4578-908f-400c2eb0284a-1
00:20:52.858 --> 00:20:56.238
but it's machinery involves
stencils and and embossed

abb21082-7974-4578-908f-400c2eb0284a-2
00:20:56.238 --> 00:20:58.680
plates, very specific type of
machine.

155d31bb-7e38-4638-a500-d83a4bd2ff3d-0
00:21:00.000 --> 00:21:03.490
Again much like the duplicators,
I think they may be becoming a

155d31bb-7e38-4638-a500-d83a4bd2ff3d-1
00:21:03.490 --> 00:21:04.200
bit outdated.

ff7c93e5-de77-480a-8bf5-d8f2a15af4bb-0
00:21:06.000 --> 00:21:09.694
I tried to find there are no
rulings and cross on addressing

ff7c93e5-de77-480a-8bf5-d8f2a15af4bb-1
00:21:09.694 --> 00:21:10.240
machines.

6e56fb97-97f5-4749-9dcf-06580ac1deff-0
00:21:10.600 --> 00:21:14.592
So I was doing my research and
when I came up with, I came up

6e56fb97-97f5-4749-9dcf-06580ac1deff-1
00:21:14.592 --> 00:21:15.880
an interesting fact.

4e8d1862-f687-4c5d-9b9e-e6dcc4ce61ef-0
00:21:16.400 --> 00:21:20.560
I found a patent patent for an
addressing machine.

23f27d1a-06fc-4ca5-98be-ae95589a47c2-0
00:21:20.560 --> 00:21:24.871
And if you look at the patent,
this is from 1880, this was a

23f27d1a-06fc-4ca5-98be-ae95589a47c2-1
00:21:24.871 --> 00:21:27.840
patent that was awarded to
Thomas Edison.

ee07cdca-ce2e-4dde-acf4-5158e05d6a55-0
00:21:28.040 --> 00:21:30.893
If you look at the patent, it's
almost identical to the

ee07cdca-ce2e-4dde-acf4-5158e05d6a55-1
00:21:30.893 --> 00:21:31.760
explanatory note.

e4d1fc53-017b-4663-bf06-c3ee2892321b-0
00:21:32.240 --> 00:21:37.060
So I'm sure I'm not sure, but I
would assume that when that

e4d1fc53-017b-4663-bf06-c3ee2892321b-1
00:21:37.060 --> 00:21:41.800
explanatory was written, they,
they looked at this patent.

7348aa97-a263-4e45-a4ed-c4d6f36af638-0
00:21:41.800 --> 00:21:45.469
And then I just found an
interesting fact was like, you

7348aa97-a263-4e45-a4ed-c4d6f36af638-1
00:21:45.469 --> 00:21:48.680
know, I knew Thomas Edison had a
lot of patents.

a1d5f79c-331a-4239-af63-fe7e219b39d6-0
00:21:48.680 --> 00:21:51.720
I didn't realize he had over
1000 US patents.

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00:21:52.160 --> 00:21:56.768
And then if you included his
foreign patents, he had over

4d7093e5-6526-471a-a74d-a602e6dd5396-1
00:21:56.768 --> 00:22:01.377
2000 patents and his record
stood until 2003 until it was

4d7093e5-6526-471a-a74d-a602e6dd5396-2
00:22:01.377 --> 00:22:03.919
eclipsed by a Japanese inventor.

e934c262-4a4f-4d38-852a-379ed5f91c0f-0
00:22:04.560 --> 00:22:09.425
So like I said, I didn't have a
an example of an addressing

e934c262-4a4f-4d38-852a-379ed5f91c0f-1
00:22:09.425 --> 00:22:13.722
machine classified, but I did
find the patent for an

e934c262-4a4f-4d38-852a-379ed5f91c0f-2
00:22:13.722 --> 00:22:18.101
addressing machine and it is
nearly identical to that

e934c262-4a4f-4d38-852a-379ed5f91c0f-3
00:22:18.101 --> 00:22:19.480
explanatory note.

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00:22:23.760 --> 00:22:31.343
So now we'll move on to
subheading 8470 to 94,000 which

06fe5b2b-e524-455c-ab29-186563f3122d-1
00:22:31.343 --> 00:22:36.760
provides for automatic teller
machines.

08774ac2-29a7-4ff4-af07-c4e25d972ef2-0
00:22:37.120 --> 00:22:42.080
That's your basic ATMI think we
almost everybody probably has

08774ac2-29a7-4ff4-af07-c4e25d972ef2-1
00:22:42.080 --> 00:22:43.040
used an ATM.

815c6497-0c84-4267-a6e7-cfcbd729330e-0
00:22:43.680 --> 00:22:47.824
And there is an explanatory
note, it says automatic teller

815c6497-0c84-4267-a6e7-cfcbd729330e-1
00:22:47.824 --> 00:22:51.968
machines allow customers to
deposit, withdraw and transfer

815c6497-0c84-4267-a6e7-cfcbd729330e-2
00:22:51.968 --> 00:22:55.199
money and see the balances of
their accounts.

45381af5-9116-42de-9771-c5698c05b874-0
00:22:55.840 --> 00:22:57.200
Pretty simple, right?

cf4592d6-4687-4914-8210-489c8a22fe52-0
00:22:57.880 --> 00:23:01.927
But like with anything with
classification, nothing is that

cf4592d6-4687-4914-8210-489c8a22fe52-1
00:23:01.927 --> 00:23:02.400
simple.

72b3bf6d-0379-4ccf-8375-ad9ce7a14d98-0
00:23:02.800 --> 00:23:07.181
And I have a case study coming
up towards the end of the

72b3bf6d-0379-4ccf-8375-ad9ce7a14d98-1
00:23:07.181 --> 00:23:10.640
presentation on an automatic
teller machine.

3814f915-8fa3-4032-9208-467acc91a7fa-0
00:23:10.640 --> 00:23:14.680
This particular model, it was a
ruling request to headquarters.

2dc90d38-54b2-410d-a479-61b4b845d05c-0
00:23:15.760 --> 00:23:19.792
I won't go into detail about it
now, but I will show you more

2dc90d38-54b2-410d-a479-61b4b845d05c-1
00:23:19.792 --> 00:23:22.720
towards the end during a case
study on ATMs.

c3b19242-237d-4df7-ba29-66cee56d7612-0
00:23:26.800 --> 00:23:34.087
So now we move on to heading sub
penning 8470 to 94,000 pencil

c3b19242-237d-4df7-ba29-66cee56d7612-1
00:23:34.087 --> 00:23:35.360
sharpeners.

524604c8-f8fa-41c4-843f-7b3434c35b3a-0
00:23:35.800 --> 00:23:38.233
And again you might say to
yourself, well a pencil

524604c8-f8fa-41c4-843f-7b3434c35b3a-1
00:23:38.233 --> 00:23:39.760
sharpener is a pencil sharpener.

8af0736b-5fad-41a8-8f50-75b5e0867fbb-0
00:23:40.360 --> 00:23:42.600
Well, not for classification
purposes.

6ae7f32e-4e74-4430-9bbd-94d05cba0fa7-0
00:23:44.320 --> 00:23:47.490
First off, as an explanatory
note for pencil sharpening

6ae7f32e-4e74-4430-9bbd-94d05cba0fa7-1
00:23:47.490 --> 00:23:51.000
machines and it says includes
hand operating pencil machines.

68a6b139-b6c3-45e9-a860-bb46a0d8707b-0
00:23:51.000 --> 00:23:56.120
However the heading excludes non
mechanical pencil sharpeners.

9ee1f76f-88f5-4129-9f1a-890a89da4a4c-0
00:23:56.680 --> 00:24:02.266
These fall within heading 808214
or if they have the character of

9ee1f76f-88f5-4129-9f1a-890a89da4a4c-1
00:24:02.266 --> 00:24:03.960
a toy in chapter 95.

d5a841dd-08a8-4f46-b9fd-b31ae9f3b02a-0
00:24:04.360 --> 00:24:06.400
So what does that mean?

01f56992-c1da-42de-97db-e63d01412081-0
00:24:06.840 --> 00:24:11.379
Well, first of all, what would
be classified in in 8472 in this

01f56992-c1da-42de-97db-e63d01412081-1
00:24:11.379 --> 00:24:12.160
subheading?

ae4a01e0-1cbd-4d35-8b83-a5ed2b0e2b9e-0
00:24:13.280 --> 00:24:18.795
Well, it would be this as an
example of a pencil sharpener

ae4a01e0-1cbd-4d35-8b83-a5ed2b0e2b9e-1
00:24:18.795 --> 00:24:21.600
that would be classified here.

aa1cfe76-c5f5-4487-a71e-362d412a4ceb-0
00:24:22.400 --> 00:24:24.965
Some of you might have it at
home or on your desk in the

aa1cfe76-c5f5-4487-a71e-362d412a4ceb-1
00:24:24.965 --> 00:24:25.280
office.

00daab44-7259-4513-b1bf-7a360484e287-0
00:24:25.280 --> 00:24:26.840
It's electrically operated.

b7611fda-5b3d-49a4-a810-199eff182195-0
00:24:28.800 --> 00:24:31.240
It's sits on the table.

7952309e-56f6-4aea-a29d-5d98c586d095-0
00:24:32.880 --> 00:24:33.920
This would go here.

701fbf85-9654-496e-9c9c-9cb744a3636c-0
00:24:34.480 --> 00:24:38.913
What you would not classify as a
pencil sharpener in heading 8472

701fbf85-9654-496e-9c9c-9cb744a3636c-1
00:24:38.913 --> 00:24:41.600
would be this type of pencil
sharpener.

999d0598-79d4-4475-8510-f1c51eca7153-0
00:24:41.880 --> 00:24:43.080
It's not mechanical.

85bc025f-43a5-4661-aeb8-4cf553400ab8-0
00:24:43.080 --> 00:24:44.640
There's no moving parts.

b3006b8a-ccc8-460e-9d1c-54d1ea36cc7f-0
00:24:45.080 --> 00:24:46.480
You just put your pencil in
there.

cfa60b9e-950f-4c83-8dcd-a25c5d6b68d9-0
00:24:46.480 --> 00:24:50.480
You turn the pencil not
mechanical.

ee8fed35-0595-45c9-86ab-8aa371ed83e5-0
00:24:50.480 --> 00:24:57.891
This would go into Henning 8214,
which is other articles of

ee8fed35-0595-45c9-86ab-8aa371ed83e5-1
00:24:57.891 --> 00:24:58.880
coppery.

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00:25:00.000 --> 00:25:04.657
So again, both of these are
called pencil sharpeners, but

43d646b1-bdb2-4cc4-a62d-2e6f450daac3-1
00:25:04.657 --> 00:25:09.555
for classification purposes, one
would go in 8472, the other

43d646b1-bdb2-4cc4-a62d-2e6f450daac3-2
00:25:09.555 --> 00:25:10.920
would go in 8214.

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00:25:15.160 --> 00:25:20.960
OK, so subheading 8470 to
95,000, as I said earlier,

4edfe503-66a0-49b9-997e-feb0a2672fdb-1
00:25:20.960 --> 00:25:27.855
typewriters, manual electrical
typewriters and word processing

4edfe503-66a0-49b9-997e-feb0a2672fdb-2
00:25:27.855 --> 00:25:30.920
machines used to go in 8469.

9c6b8095-05a2-411a-acb1-2a214d0f085e-0
00:25:30.920 --> 00:25:35.474
They were classified the other
and they're only heading up

9c6b8095-05a2-411a-acb1-2a214d0f085e-1
00:25:35.474 --> 00:25:40.029
until 2015 until the entire
heading was moved over and put

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00:25:40.029 --> 00:25:43.040
in verbatim as a subheading into
8472.

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00:25:43.480 --> 00:25:47.043
With that, the entire
explanatory note also moved

1b1d7665-dbee-4323-ac42-0d86d3c150eb-1
00:25:47.043 --> 00:25:47.400
over.

fc3dfa0f-a425-46ab-91b9-b908a96f2d59-0
00:25:47.880 --> 00:25:49.800
I'm just not going to spend a
lot of time on this.

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00:25:49.800 --> 00:25:51.920
I think we all know what a
typewriter is.

c5f8dff3-46e1-4570-acc4-1707a33be8ba-0
00:25:54.760 --> 00:25:57.349
I think we know manual
typewriters, electrical

c5f8dff3-46e1-4570-acc4-1707a33be8ba-1
00:25:57.349 --> 00:26:00.709
typewriters, word processing
machines are just not used that

c5f8dff3-46e1-4570-acc4-1707a33be8ba-2
00:26:00.709 --> 00:26:01.040
often.

c8dddc0b-27d8-4332-8a49-82e733c8aa49-0
00:26:01.040 --> 00:26:04.520
They've been replaced by
laptops, modern day printers.

fe0800c0-4538-467a-a438-c6dc7c5ae215-0
00:26:05.720 --> 00:26:08.840
But if they come in, this is
where they would be classified.

806c262d-ece8-47e4-993b-6e62191e00fe-0
00:26:09.280 --> 00:26:12.759
I would, if I were venture to
guess, I would imagine a few

806c262d-ece8-47e4-993b-6e62191e00fe-1
00:26:12.759 --> 00:26:16.062
years, I would think this
subheading might even go away

806c262d-ece8-47e4-993b-6e62191e00fe-2
00:26:16.062 --> 00:26:19.660
and these type of typewriters
may even just be classified as

806c262d-ece8-47e4-993b-6e62191e00fe-3
00:26:19.660 --> 00:26:20.839
other at some point.

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00:26:21.160 --> 00:26:24.120
But for now, this is where they
where they are classified.

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00:26:27.040 --> 00:26:30.200
OK, so we have a couple of
subheadings left in the heading.

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This is 8472 ninety 6000
numbering dating and check

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00:26:36.888 --> 00:26:44.200
writing machines, and there are
two explanatory notes for these.

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00:26:44.360 --> 00:26:48.814
Much like the mailing machines,
letter sorting machines, these

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00:26:48.814 --> 00:26:51.360
do pretty much what they're
called.

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So check writing machines.

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00:26:53.680 --> 00:26:59.240
These actually will write
checks, large batches of checks.

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00:27:00.080 --> 00:27:01.840
They type words simultaneously.

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00:27:01.840 --> 00:27:06.640
They use Indelible Inc and then
check signing machines.

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00:27:06.640 --> 00:27:08.320
They actually sign the check.

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00:27:08.680 --> 00:27:13.017
So these are larger machines and
this is where they would be

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00:27:13.017 --> 00:27:13.800
classified.

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00:27:14.280 --> 00:27:17.760
Again, not sure how common they
are anymore.

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00:27:17.760 --> 00:27:21.548
I'm sure they are still in use,
but this is where they would be

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00:27:21.548 --> 00:27:22.200
classified.

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OK, so then now we have just two
more specific subheadings in

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00:27:31.784 --> 00:27:36.720
heading 8472 before we get to
just the other provision.

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This, these two subheadings,
8472909040 provides for desktop

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00:27:43.322 --> 00:27:46.240
note counters and note scanners.

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00:27:46.760 --> 00:27:52.441
And then we have 8472909060
other currency and coin handling

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00:27:52.441 --> 00:27:53.280
machines.

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00:27:54.160 --> 00:27:56.080
And as an explanatory note.

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00:27:56.280 --> 00:28:00.872
And then on the next page I have
two pictures of an example of

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00:28:00.872 --> 00:28:04.663
some of these things, coin
sorting of coin counting

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00:28:04.663 --> 00:28:05.319
machines.

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00:28:05.520 --> 00:28:07.480
They do kind of exactly what
they're called.

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00:28:07.800 --> 00:28:11.360
They count coins, they sort
coins.

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00:28:11.560 --> 00:28:13.520
They could even wrap the coins.

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00:28:14.040 --> 00:28:19.101
Just be aware that if they count
coins by weight, they won't be

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00:28:19.101 --> 00:28:24.162
classified here because weighing
machines are more specifically

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00:28:24.162 --> 00:28:27.799
provided for in heading 8423 or
heading 9016.

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00:28:28.760 --> 00:28:30.000
Just be aware of that.

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And then we have automatic
banknote dispensers operating in

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00:28:35.591 --> 00:28:40.328
conjunction with an ADP machine
or a computer, whether offline

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00:28:40.328 --> 00:28:41.080
or online.

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00:28:41.520 --> 00:28:49.143
So I have two examples here on
the left we have a note counter

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00:28:49.143 --> 00:28:51.080
or note scanner.

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00:28:52.920 --> 00:28:56.850
Ever make a deposit in a bank
and go up to the teller as

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00:28:56.850 --> 00:28:58.160
opposed to the ATM?

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00:28:58.520 --> 00:29:02.155
And if you, if you peek over the
counter, you might notice that

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00:29:02.155 --> 00:29:05.279
the teller, they take your
deposit of dollars and they

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00:29:05.279 --> 00:29:07.040
might put them in this machine.

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00:29:07.320 --> 00:29:08.840
It counts off the dollars.

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00:29:09.400 --> 00:29:11.920
A lot of them check to see if
it's counterfeit.

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00:29:12.200 --> 00:29:14.040
This is where they would be
classified.

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00:29:15.000 --> 00:29:18.822
And then the machine on the
right is a coin handling

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00:29:18.822 --> 00:29:19.400
machine.

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00:29:20.040 --> 00:29:22.280
You might have, some people
might have this at home.

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00:29:22.520 --> 00:29:23.760
It counts your coins.

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00:29:23.760 --> 00:29:25.560
It might even wrap the coins.

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00:29:27.000 --> 00:29:32.437
Or you might see these machines,
much larger machines in a bank

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00:29:32.437 --> 00:29:36.600
lobby or even on I've seen them
in supermarkets.

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00:29:36.840 --> 00:29:39.753
You've dumped your coins in,
counts the coins and then you

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00:29:39.753 --> 00:29:42.815
get a ticket and you bring it up
to either the cashier or the

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00:29:42.815 --> 00:29:44.840
bank teller and you'll get
dollar bills.

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00:29:45.400 --> 00:29:49.520
So this is where these machines
would be classified.

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00:29:52.840 --> 00:29:56.600
So now we get to those are the
specific sub pennings.

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00:29:56.600 --> 00:29:58.200
We get to the other provision.

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00:29:58.600 --> 00:30:02.973
This is just other and there are
of course numerous machines

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00:30:02.973 --> 00:30:07.131
could be classified here,
machines we might not have even

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00:30:07.131 --> 00:30:07.920
thought of.

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00:30:08.920 --> 00:30:12.893
The EN gives some examples of
what would be classified as

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00:30:12.893 --> 00:30:14.400
other office machines.

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00:30:15.200 --> 00:30:19.044
First we had ticket issuing
machines and I did a little

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00:30:19.044 --> 00:30:20.280
research on these.

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00:30:20.360 --> 00:30:22.760
I don't think these are as
common as they used to.

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00:30:24.080 --> 00:30:27.873
These type of ticket issuing
machines want to keep in mind

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00:30:27.873 --> 00:30:31.281
these if they incorporate a
calculator, they're more

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00:30:31.281 --> 00:30:34.882
specifically provided for in
heading 8470 of their coin

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00:30:34.882 --> 00:30:36.040
operated machines.

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00:30:36.400 --> 00:30:40.640
They're probably vending
machines of heading 8476.

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00:30:40.640 --> 00:30:44.754
So what these ticket issuing
machines are, they're usually

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00:30:44.754 --> 00:30:49.288
small kind of portable machines
for punch tickets or for issuing

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00:30:49.288 --> 00:30:51.520
the ticket from a roll of paper.

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00:30:51.840 --> 00:30:54.040
Again, I think these might be a
little outdated.

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00:30:54.040 --> 00:30:58.070
Most of us have our use our
tickets on our phones now, but

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00:30:58.070 --> 00:31:01.758
that's where they would be
classified as other office

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00:31:01.758 --> 00:31:02.920
machine machines.

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00:31:03.320 --> 00:31:07.408
Then we have stapling machines
and paper shredders, which I

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00:31:07.408 --> 00:31:10.680
have examples of coming up in
the case studies.

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00:31:11.960 --> 00:31:14.920
So that's the entire heading.

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00:31:15.400 --> 00:31:18.920
Now we went through each
specific subheading.

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00:31:18.920 --> 00:31:21.920
We went through other and I have
a couple of case studies.

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00:31:24.800 --> 00:31:30.930
This one is on staplers and this
is a headquarters ruling and the

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00:31:30.930 --> 00:31:35.760
headquarters ruling reaffirmed
our New York ruling.

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00:31:36.480 --> 00:31:40.440
So New York, NY issued a ruling
on these these staplers.

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00:31:41.240 --> 00:31:45.216
He imported it and agree and ask
for reconsideration, which is

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00:31:45.216 --> 00:31:48.120
their right and headquarters re
evaluated it.

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00:31:48.520 --> 00:31:52.080
And this is kind of interesting
to me anyway.

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00:31:52.880 --> 00:31:56.904
These staplers were designed to
be operated in the hands without

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00:31:56.904 --> 00:31:57.400
support.

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00:31:58.280 --> 00:32:01.992
But the open ends of the
staplers were flat allowing them

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00:32:01.992 --> 00:32:05.640
to be placed on a any flat
surface in a vertical upright

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00:32:05.640 --> 00:32:07.240
position when not in use.

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00:32:07.960 --> 00:32:13.127
So this was the actual stapler
and as you can see a little

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00:32:13.127 --> 00:32:16.280
different than your normal
stapler.

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00:32:16.280 --> 00:32:19.657
Where a stapler normally is
placed vertically on a desk,

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00:32:19.657 --> 00:32:23.568
This one when you want to put it
down, you put it vertically down

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00:32:23.568 --> 00:32:24.280
on the desk.

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00:32:25.040 --> 00:32:29.770
So New York ruled that this was
a hand tool in 82 O 5 because

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00:32:29.770 --> 00:32:34.120
you had to pick it up and it was
operated in your hands.

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00:32:35.840 --> 00:32:43.486
The importer disagreed and said,
excuse me, this was an office

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00:32:43.486 --> 00:32:46.400
machine of heading 8472.

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00:32:46.400 --> 00:32:49.560
Now remember, I'll move on to
the next slide.

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00:32:50.320 --> 00:32:55.818
Remember it was that explanatory
note that said, you know, office

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00:32:55.818 --> 00:33:00.733
machine had to have a base for a
fixing on a table or flat

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00:33:00.733 --> 00:33:01.400
surface.

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00:33:01.400 --> 00:33:05.320
Well, the importer said we this
tape stapler does.

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00:33:06.040 --> 00:33:11.516
But then the EN, you know, kind
of, well, contradict itself a

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00:33:11.516 --> 00:33:16.905
bit because it said, but, you
know, hand tools of 80 chapter

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00:33:16.905 --> 00:33:18.760
82 don't belong here.

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00:33:19.480 --> 00:33:24.188
So headquarters, you know, they
looked it over and, you know,

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00:33:24.188 --> 00:33:28.592
they kind of agreed that yeah,
technically it's an office

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00:33:28.592 --> 00:33:29.200
machine.

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00:33:31.600 --> 00:33:35.428
And yes, we know that what the
EN says, that it says that it's

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00:33:35.428 --> 00:33:39.256
got to be put, you know, can be
fixed and put on a table and a

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00:33:39.256 --> 00:33:39.560
desk.

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00:33:40.400 --> 00:33:46.523
However, ultimately headquarters
ruled now and again, it's, it's

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00:33:46.523 --> 00:33:52.081
a long ruling, headquarters
ruling that went into a lot of

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00:33:52.081 --> 00:33:53.400
good analysis.

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00:33:55.280 --> 00:34:01.230
And ultimately they ruled that
this was indeed, they confirmed

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00:34:01.230 --> 00:34:03.120
the New York ruling.

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00:34:03.120 --> 00:34:04.160
They said it was a handful.

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00:34:04.160 --> 00:34:07.841
And what they the, the main part
of this was that in order to

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00:34:07.841 --> 00:34:09.920
operate it, you had to pick it
up.

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00:34:10.280 --> 00:34:13.617
Yes, it had a base for placing
it on a table, but you had to

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00:34:13.617 --> 00:34:15.040
pick it up and operate it.

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00:34:15.040 --> 00:34:17.600
You couldn't lay it on a flat
surface and operate it.

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00:34:17.920 --> 00:34:19.800
That's the real take away from
here.

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00:34:21.000 --> 00:34:24.779
And the explanatory note doesn't
say that, but that's what

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00:34:24.779 --> 00:34:28.687
headquarters determined that in
order for it to be an office

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00:34:28.687 --> 00:34:32.658
machine, not only doesn't have a
only have to have a base for

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00:34:32.658 --> 00:34:36.822
fixing on a table or a desk, it
really has to have a base for it

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00:34:36.822 --> 00:34:38.360
to operate on that desk.

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00:34:39.520 --> 00:34:43.844
So you might be asking yourself
then, well, OK, then what kind

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00:34:43.844 --> 00:34:45.560
of stapler would go here?

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00:34:46.560 --> 00:34:50.080
And that would be this type of
stapler.

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00:34:53.600 --> 00:34:57.190
This is most of you probably
have it either at home or on the

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00:34:57.190 --> 00:34:57.480
desk.

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00:34:57.840 --> 00:35:01.640
It's designed to be operated on
a flat surface.

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00:35:02.200 --> 00:35:05.819
Yes, technically I know you can
pick it up and some I'm sure a

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00:35:05.819 --> 00:35:08.520
lot of you do pick it up when
you're stapling.

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00:35:09.000 --> 00:35:12.760
But for the IT was designed to
be operated on a flat surface.

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00:35:13.160 --> 00:35:19.395
Now this is a hand operated
surface hand this, I'm sorry,

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00:35:19.395 --> 00:35:25.737
this is an other office machine
classified in heading 8472

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00:35:25.737 --> 00:35:28.640
operated on a flat surface.

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00:35:30.680 --> 00:35:35.345
It is mechanical and this would
be classified as an other office

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00:35:35.345 --> 00:35:35.920
machine.

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00:35:43.960 --> 00:35:48.375
So now we get into, remember I
said about the ATMs, the

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00:35:48.375 --> 00:35:52.870
automatic teller machines, and
remember automatic teller

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00:35:52.870 --> 00:35:57.680
machines have their own specific
subheading in heading 8472.

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00:36:01.240 --> 00:36:03.680
This, this was a headquarters
ruling.

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00:36:04.240 --> 00:36:06.000
The importer went directly to
headquarters.

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00:36:06.000 --> 00:36:07.360
It wasn't a reconsideration.

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00:36:07.360 --> 00:36:08.880
They went directly to
headquarters.

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00:36:08.880 --> 00:36:11.571
They wanted a ruling from
headquarters, which began as an

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00:36:11.571 --> 00:36:12.360
importer's right.

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00:36:13.000 --> 00:36:19.204
And these particular models, you
were able to withdraw cash,

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00:36:19.204 --> 00:36:24.696
check balances and make
transfers from your accounts,

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00:36:24.696 --> 00:36:29.679
but you couldn't deposit
anything in these ATMs.

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00:36:29.680 --> 00:36:31.480
You couldn't deposit checks or
cash.

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00:36:31.880 --> 00:36:36.404
So the importer said, well, we
have that explanatory note that

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00:36:36.404 --> 00:36:40.570
lays out specific criteria of
one of them being that ATMs

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00:36:40.570 --> 00:36:41.720
accept deposits.

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00:36:42.520 --> 00:36:46.014
Because of that, we think it
should go as an other office

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00:36:46.014 --> 00:36:47.400
machine, not as an ATM.

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00:36:48.800 --> 00:36:54.280
So a little back story here was
at the time of this headquarters

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00:36:54.280 --> 00:36:59.338
ruling 8470 to 91,000 automatic
teller machines had duty on

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00:36:59.338 --> 00:36:59.760
them.

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00:37:00.160 --> 00:37:04.426
It wasn't a lot, but there was
duty and the other provision did

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00:37:04.426 --> 00:37:05.360
not have duty.

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00:37:06.000 --> 00:37:08.600
So as was the importers, right?

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00:37:08.600 --> 00:37:11.693
They made an argument, they
wanted to make an argument for

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00:37:11.693 --> 00:37:12.480
their machines.

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00:37:12.480 --> 00:37:16.427
Their particular models should
be classified as other, not

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00:37:16.427 --> 00:37:20.040
automatic teller machines
because of that explanatory

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00:37:20.040 --> 00:37:23.520
note, because their models did
not accept deposits.

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00:37:24.280 --> 00:37:26.080
And headquarters looked at it.

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00:37:26.520 --> 00:37:31.083
Headquarters and the importer
both agreed that at the, you

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00:37:31.083 --> 00:37:35.880
know, at the heading level, they
were indeed office machines.

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00:37:36.480 --> 00:37:41.597
The question was were they
technically automatic teller

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00:37:41.597 --> 00:37:47.263
machines or did they go into
other and you know, headquarters

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00:37:47.263 --> 00:37:49.000
did their analysis.

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00:37:49.520 --> 00:37:55.324
They cited the explanatory note
which listed out a set of

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00:37:55.324 --> 00:38:01.328
criteria and ultimately though
headquarters, you know, they

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00:38:01.328 --> 00:38:07.432
looked at this and explanatory
notes are not legally binding

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00:38:07.432 --> 00:38:14.037
and for all intents and purposes
headquarters believed looking at

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00:38:14.037 --> 00:38:17.440
other machines, similar
machines.

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00:38:17.440 --> 00:38:21.973
They said, you know, OK, they
don't accept deposits, but for

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00:38:21.973 --> 00:38:26.358
all intents and purposes these
are classified as automatic

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00:38:26.358 --> 00:38:28.960
teller machines in 8470 to
91,000.

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00:38:29.880 --> 00:38:33.362
So I put that up just as an
example because as I said

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00:38:33.362 --> 00:38:37.102
earlier, and I keep saying,
nothing is simple when you're

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00:38:37.102 --> 00:38:40.520
classifying, even when you think
it might be simple.

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00:38:42.640 --> 00:38:47.892
OK, so I have one more case
study and before I get up to

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00:38:47.892 --> 00:38:52.040
that, I just want to put this
slide up here.

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00:38:52.800 --> 00:38:57.534
As you may or may not know, the
2024 webinar series, we have a

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00:38:57.534 --> 00:39:00.240
green trade vision theme with
them.

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00:39:00.840 --> 00:39:04.160
So on this slide we have CV, PS,
Green trade vision.

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00:39:04.160 --> 00:39:05.680
You can find it on our website.

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00:39:06.400 --> 00:39:09.080
This is the direct direct linked
to it.

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00:39:10.480 --> 00:39:11.600
You can read that over.

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00:39:12.920 --> 00:39:17.866
But I tried my best to try and
come up with a something with a

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00:39:17.866 --> 00:39:19.280
green trade theme.

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00:39:20.080 --> 00:39:22.120
So I came up with paper
shredders.

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00:39:22.360 --> 00:39:26.153
And as I said earlier, paper
shredders are classified as

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00:39:26.153 --> 00:39:29.880
other office machinery, provided
that they have a base.

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00:39:29.880 --> 00:39:33.931
And, you know, but this type of
paper shredder would be

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00:39:33.931 --> 00:39:36.680
classified as another office
machine.

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00:39:36.680 --> 00:39:41.323
And paper shredders shred
documents to for confidential

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00:39:41.323 --> 00:39:46.215
reasons, but they also, you
know, shred paper and shredded

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00:39:46.215 --> 00:39:48.040
paper can be reusable.

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00:39:49.280 --> 00:39:53.967
So that that's my contributation
to the green trade theme for

092ab454-f2bb-46d5-b857-240ae0639589-1
00:39:53.967 --> 00:39:55.480
this webinar series.

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00:39:55.480 --> 00:40:01.419
But I want to go over a case
study on this is the country of

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00:40:01.419 --> 00:40:07.163
origin of a paper shredder and I
almost hesitated to put a

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00:40:07.163 --> 00:40:13.297
country of origin example in a
presentation especially for our

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00:40:13.297 --> 00:40:15.440
external stakeholders.

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00:40:16.960 --> 00:40:20.920
As you know, rulings are decided
on a case by case basis.

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00:40:21.880 --> 00:40:23.080
With that said.

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00:40:23.920 --> 00:40:27.840
If you're looking at rulings,
you have a product and a machine

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00:40:27.840 --> 00:40:31.697
and you want to classify it and
you're researching cross, you

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00:40:31.697 --> 00:40:35.617
might be fine be able to find a
machine that's almost an exact

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00:40:35.617 --> 00:40:37.920
match maybe and you can classify
it.

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00:40:37.920 --> 00:40:44.435
Similarly with country of origin
rulings, they really are on a

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00:40:44.435 --> 00:40:46.400
case by case basis.

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00:40:47.440 --> 00:40:50.860
It's going to be a very
difficult for you to look and

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00:40:50.860 --> 00:40:54.723
cross and find a manufacturing
scenario that is identical to

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00:40:54.723 --> 00:40:57.320
yours as far as product and and
country.

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00:40:57.560 --> 00:41:00.560
So I just want to give that to
you as a warning.

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00:41:00.840 --> 00:41:04.701
When you're looking in cross on
country of origin rulings, be

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00:41:04.701 --> 00:41:05.200
careful.

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00:41:07.040 --> 00:41:08.840
You know, that's why we have the
ruling program.

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00:41:10.080 --> 00:41:13.264
If you're unsure of the country
of origin of your product,

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00:41:13.264 --> 00:41:14.560
submit a ruling request.

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00:41:14.560 --> 00:41:15.640
As I said, it's free.

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00:41:15.880 --> 00:41:18.432
You can submit it to New York or
you can submit it to

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00:41:18.432 --> 00:41:20.040
headquarters, whichever you
like.

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00:41:20.560 --> 00:41:22.640
And so that's that.

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00:41:22.640 --> 00:41:27.562
But getting to this case study
on the paper shredder, these

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00:41:27.562 --> 00:41:32.976
paper shredders were produced in
a Vietnam factory from materials

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00:41:32.976 --> 00:41:35.520
sourced from China and Vietnam.

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00:41:36.600 --> 00:41:39.800
The importer admitted that the
majority of the parts and

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00:41:39.800 --> 00:41:43.000
components of the paper shredder
was sourced from China.

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00:41:44.000 --> 00:41:48.181
However, significant sub
assemblies and assemblies were

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00:41:48.181 --> 00:41:52.662
produced in a Vietnam factory
for this particular case, the

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00:41:52.662 --> 00:41:57.217
cutter sub assembly, this was
the part of the paper shredded

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00:41:57.217 --> 00:42:01.548
that cut the paper and this was
assembled put together in

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00:42:01.548 --> 00:42:04.759
Vietnam from Chinese and
Vietnamese parts.

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00:42:05.480 --> 00:42:08.160
And again, I'm not going to get
into the details of it.

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00:42:10.280 --> 00:42:14.444
And then also assembled in
Vietnam was the printed circuit

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00:42:14.444 --> 00:42:15.080
assembly.

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00:42:15.840 --> 00:42:21.440
So 2 pretty important components
of the paper shredder were

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00:42:21.440 --> 00:42:26.293
assembled, but not only
assembled, they were really

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00:42:26.293 --> 00:42:31.520
there was a transformation of
these parts in Vietnam, a

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00:42:31.520 --> 00:42:34.040
substantial transformation.

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00:42:35.240 --> 00:42:39.432
So for this particular paper
shredder, we determined that

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00:42:39.432 --> 00:42:43.986
because the cutter assembly was
transformed substantially, was

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00:42:43.986 --> 00:42:48.613
transformed into Vietnam into a
cutter assembly and then we had

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00:42:48.613 --> 00:42:52.661
the printed circuit assembly
which was transformed into

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00:42:52.661 --> 00:42:53.240
Vietnam.

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00:42:53.240 --> 00:42:58.478
We ruled that the entire country
of origin of this particular

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00:42:58.478 --> 00:43:00.760
paper shredder was Vietnam.

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00:43:01.880 --> 00:43:08.706
So that's a case study on the
paper shredder country of origin

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00:43:08.706 --> 00:43:13.800
and that is pretty much
everything I got here.

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00:43:14.960 --> 00:43:20.874
Just want to go over one more
slide and it's a kind of a

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00:43:20.874 --> 00:43:25.440
summary of how to classify in
heading 8472.

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00:43:25.440 --> 00:43:28.528
And again, a lot of this goes
back to that general explanatory

d55502b6-66fc-45db-b382-8a348bbdcdda-1
00:43:28.528 --> 00:43:30.440
note, but I kind of condensed it
here.

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00:43:31.560 --> 00:43:34.928
So if you have a machine, the
first thing you want to ask

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00:43:34.928 --> 00:43:38.413
yourself, in my opinion, the
most important part is, is the

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00:43:38.413 --> 00:43:41.840
machine specifically provided
for elsewhere in the tariff?

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00:43:42.400 --> 00:43:45.280
That's I think believe is the
most important question.

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00:43:47.520 --> 00:43:52.192
If it is like desktop printers,
it's not going to go into

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00:43:52.192 --> 00:43:53.240
hitting 8472.

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The other thing, does the
machine perform quote UN quote

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office work?

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00:44:00.480 --> 00:44:03.796
Remember that term is not
defined in the tariff itself,

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00:44:03.796 --> 00:44:06.640
but the explanatory note kind of
expands on it.

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00:44:07.000 --> 00:44:10.734
It says work concerning the
writing, recording, sorting,

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00:44:10.734 --> 00:44:13.682
filing, etcetera,
correspondence, documents,

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00:44:13.682 --> 00:44:15.320
forms, records, etcetera.

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00:44:15.600 --> 00:44:19.857
So you know, we went over some
examples of those machines,

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00:44:19.857 --> 00:44:22.960
letter sorting machines, things
like that.

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00:44:23.640 --> 00:44:26.630
And then you want to ask
yourself, does the machine

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00:44:26.630 --> 00:44:30.080
incorporate a base for fixing or
placing on a flat surface?

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00:44:31.200 --> 00:44:36.630
I like to say, does it have a
base or operating base of

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00:44:36.630 --> 00:44:37.600
operation?

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00:44:37.600 --> 00:44:41.952
In other words, can you place it
on the table and and operate it,

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00:44:41.952 --> 00:44:46.240
you know, or do you have to pick
it up and operate in your hand?

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00:44:46.240 --> 00:44:47.600
You have to pick it up.

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It's not going to dominate 8472
and just remember the stapler.

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Finally, you get to the term
office machines.

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00:44:56.480 --> 00:44:58.600
Remember that's taken in a
general sense.

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00:44:59.040 --> 00:45:01.320
These machines don't have to be
used in an office.

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They can be used anywhere such
as factory shops, schools,

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00:45:05.860 --> 00:45:08.600
hotels, even restaurants
anywhere.

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00:45:08.600 --> 00:45:11.200
Where you doing that kind of
office type work?

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00:45:13.480 --> 00:45:19.347
OK, so I guess now we'll get to
the questions, any questions

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00:45:19.347 --> 00:45:25.215
that may have been in the chat
box or any questions you have

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00:45:25.215 --> 00:45:25.599
now.

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And I believe, yes, OK, we have
quite a few questions that came

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00:45:29.829 --> 00:45:30.000
in.

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00:45:31.200 --> 00:45:31.600
Let's start.

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00:45:31.600 --> 00:45:37.715
The first one would be, would a
bank token fall under parts bank

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00:45:37.715 --> 00:45:38.280
token?

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00:45:38.440 --> 00:45:41.360
I'm not sure what the bank token
is.

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00:45:42.640 --> 00:45:46.229
Bank token, Alicia, maybe you
can type in a little more

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00:45:46.229 --> 00:45:48.280
information about that question.

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00:45:48.360 --> 00:45:50.560
Yeah, I don't know what you mean
by bank token.

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00:45:51.040 --> 00:45:54.153
But anyway, remember, remember
parts are not classified in

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00:45:54.153 --> 00:45:54.840
heading 8472.

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00:45:54.840 --> 00:45:58.400
They would go in 84 in that
other heading, but go ahead.

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00:45:59.160 --> 00:45:59.480
OK.

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00:45:59.480 --> 00:46:04.943
The next one are electronic card
sorters that sort collectible

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00:46:04.943 --> 00:46:09.625
cards primarily for small
businesses classified under

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00:46:09.625 --> 00:46:11.360
8472909080 as other.

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00:46:13.360 --> 00:46:16.848
I don't want to say
definitively, but I believe yes,

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00:46:16.848 --> 00:46:21.061
I believe we might have a ruling
and cross on that on something

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00:46:21.061 --> 00:46:21.720
like that.

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00:46:21.760 --> 00:46:26.320
I think if you have any, you
know, a specific machine in

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00:46:26.320 --> 00:46:31.520
mind, you know, let me know, but
I would say yes without knowing

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00:46:31.520 --> 00:46:34.320
for the back any other
background.

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00:46:34.600 --> 00:46:36.360
OK, OK, OK.

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00:46:36.920 --> 00:46:39.020
And then that first question, we
got a little more information

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00:46:39.020 --> 00:46:39.720
about the bank token.

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00:46:40.040 --> 00:46:43.689
These are electronic card
sorters that sort collectible

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00:46:43.689 --> 00:46:47.925
cards primarily for oops, sorry,
no, the bank tokens are easy to

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00:46:47.925 --> 00:46:51.248
use devices that help
authenticate digital banking

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00:46:51.248 --> 00:46:51.640
users.

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00:46:53.760 --> 00:46:56.520
Yeah, and I'm not quite sure on
that one.

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00:46:56.520 --> 00:46:59.779
That one I would need to see
and, and, and know a little more

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00:46:59.779 --> 00:47:00.200
info on.

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00:47:00.720 --> 00:47:02.280
OK, yeah, I don't know.

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00:47:03.240 --> 00:47:05.280
Yeah, that I can't say off the
top of my head.

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00:47:05.720 --> 00:47:06.480
OK, no problem.

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00:47:08.040 --> 00:47:12.442
Let's as as as as you read them
off Sandra, I'm going to just

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00:47:12.442 --> 00:47:16.774
put up my contact information
and then I know people want to

2b657edb-d5e7-4f52-8324-45e91af7fd28-2
00:47:16.774 --> 00:47:21.320
see the the CCS credits, so I'll
put that as you read them off.

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00:47:21.320 --> 00:47:22.240
OK, great.

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00:47:23.480 --> 00:47:24.160
OK.

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00:47:24.200 --> 00:47:28.133
And then they're going to want
to go back to a few slides, so

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00:47:28.133 --> 00:47:31.560
I'll start with some of the
earliest ones if you can.

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00:47:31.560 --> 00:47:33.000
Let's start out with slide nine.

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00:47:33.520 --> 00:47:35.040
OK, the right beginning.

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00:47:39.640 --> 00:47:41.560
OK, that would be my.

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00:47:42.360 --> 00:47:43.120
Can you see that?

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00:47:43.280 --> 00:47:46.800
That would be my the cancels and
heading 84.

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00:47:48.040 --> 00:47:49.400
Oh, OK, Slide 9.

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00:47:49.480 --> 00:47:52.021
Yes, this, these are
machineries, agricultural

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00:47:52.021 --> 00:47:53.320
machinery that I handle.

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00:47:53.720 --> 00:47:57.040
OK, OK, Slide 17.

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00:48:01.920 --> 00:48:04.000
This is where the parts would be
classified.

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00:48:06.080 --> 00:48:12.960
Remember to keep in mind note 2A
and B OK, Slide 33.

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00:48:13.960 --> 00:48:14.200
OK.

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00:48:14.240 --> 00:48:16.040
And 31 sorry, let's do 31 first.

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00:48:24.000 --> 00:48:26.640
31, This was the stapler.

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00:48:28.440 --> 00:48:46.480
OK, OK, OK, 33 that's again the
one on the stapler.

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00:48:48.760 --> 00:48:48.960
OK.

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00:48:49.640 --> 00:49:01.400
OK 41 the country of origin of
the paper shredder was Vietnam,

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00:49:01.400 --> 00:49:01.960
OK.

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00:49:03.800 --> 00:49:07.320
And then 42 OK.

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00:49:08.440 --> 00:49:13.000
And this was just a summary of
classification summary.

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00:49:13.800 --> 00:49:17.240
OK, we have another question.

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00:49:17.440 --> 00:49:20.626
What if paper shred, paper
shredder only have the top and

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00:49:20.626 --> 00:49:24.086
we'll put on the waste and it's
put on the waste bin, Does the

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00:49:24.086 --> 00:49:25.680
shredder classify under 8472?

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00:49:26.000 --> 00:49:27.840
That's an excellent question.

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00:49:31.280 --> 00:49:35.800
I want to say yes because you're
not picking it up in the hand.

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00:49:35.800 --> 00:49:37.360
I know exactly what you're
talking about.

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00:49:38.120 --> 00:49:41.361
I would say off the top of my
head, yes, it would go as an

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00:49:41.361 --> 00:49:42.680
office machine, an 8472.

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00:49:43.160 --> 00:49:47.124
There might be a ruling on it,
but yes, I I would say yes

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00:49:47.124 --> 00:49:50.200
because you're not operating it
in the hand.

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00:49:50.600 --> 00:49:55.240
OK, OK, OK.

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00:49:55.240 --> 00:49:57.680
And then they just wanted to see
your contact information.

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00:49:57.680 --> 00:50:00.962
I don't see any other other ones
that we haven't tried to address

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00:50:00.962 --> 00:50:01.360
contact.

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00:50:01.480 --> 00:50:01.840
Yeah.

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00:50:02.040 --> 00:50:05.560
I thought I did someone say 18
or something a lot.

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00:50:05.560 --> 00:50:07.040
Yes, I see 18 just came in.

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00:50:11.720 --> 00:50:13.480
This was on the duplicating
machine.

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00:50:13.680 --> 00:50:18.053
Just remember it's not a copying
machine, very specific type of

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00:50:18.053 --> 00:50:18.600
machine.

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00:50:22.400 --> 00:50:24.560
OK, I know everybody wants to
see this.

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00:50:24.560 --> 00:50:25.640
I keep putting that back up.

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00:50:29.200 --> 00:50:30.240
OK, All right.

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00:50:30.240 --> 00:50:31.520
I think that's all for the
questions.

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00:50:32.280 --> 00:50:37.080
OK, All right, Well, I just
thank you for listening in.

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00:50:37.520 --> 00:50:41.880
Hope it was helpful and thank
you very much.

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00:50:41.960 --> 00:50:42.600
Have a great day.

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00:50:54.620 --> 00:50:57.020
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00:50:57.460 --> 00:51:01.049
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