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Good afternoon, I am Chrissi
Guth with CBP's Office of Trade

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Relations.

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Today's webinar is on the Lacey
Act and Phase VII

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implementation.

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Please be mindful that you will
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presentation.

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Now I would like to pass it over
to National Policy Manager of

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the Lacey Act Program, Erin
Otto.

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Thank you, Chrissi, and thank
you very much to the CBP Office

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of Trade to allow me to come
talk to you today about the

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Lacey Act and some of the
interesting things that are

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happening in the Lacey Act and
Phase VII.

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My e-mail address is
erin.m.otto@usda.gov and I am

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the National Policy Manager for
the Lacey Act program under a

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fist plant protection and
quarantine.

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Next slide.

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So today we're going to talk a
little bit about the Lacey Act

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in general.

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If you've never heard of the
Lacey Act, we'll go over a

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little bit about what it's
about.

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Then we'll talk about program
status, and then finally we'll

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talk about what happens after
December 1st of this year.

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Next slide.

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So you may not know this, or
maybe you've already, you know,

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been working with Lacey for
years and years and years.

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But the Lacey Act is one of the
oldest conservation laws in the

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United States.

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It's from 1900, and it was named
after John Fletcher Lacey.

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He was a congressman from Iowa,
and he was very concerned about

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the thousands and thousands and
thousands of birds that were

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being killed for their feathers
to supply the fashion trade and

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commercial markets.

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The state itself had passed some
laws about the amount of birds

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that could be killed and traded.

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But there was a lot of crossing
of state lines.

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And so that's what the Lacey Act
kind of did, was set a federal

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law, federal standard that
really stopped the Interstate

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shipment of unlawfully killed
game.

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Next slide.

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So what does that have to do
with plants and plant products?

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Well, the Lacey Act is a fairly
old law and it's been amended

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several times.

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So initially it had to do with
birds and wildlife.

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In the 1970s, they added fish
and marine animals to the Lacey

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Act.

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And then finally, in 2008, the
Lacey Act amendment or the Lacey

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Act was amended to add plants
and plant products, including

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wood products.

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And what it does is it imposes a
federal legal requirement that

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you make sure that you're not
bringing into your supply chain

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anything that's been illegally
harvested.

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And then also this is where Asus
comes in.

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It requires an import
declaration, what we call the

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Lacey Act import declaration for
certain plants and plant

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products being imported into the
United States.

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Next slide.

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So why are we doing this?

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What's the whole point of the
Lacey Act?

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Well, the whole point of the
Lacey Act is it makes it illegal

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to import, export, transport,
acquire anything that's been

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illegally harvested, whether
it's tigers and and elephants

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and things like that.

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From the wildlife spectrum to
illegal logging.

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Illegal logging is one of the
largest transnational crimes in

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the world.

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It's actually third, the third
largest transnational crime,

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right after drugs and
counterfeit goods.

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And what it does is it leads to
all sorts of horrible things,

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including increased greenhouse
emissions.

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It, it leads to the loss of
biodiversity around the world,

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deforestation, it is, is pretty
terrible.

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It can devastate local
communities and and also the

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ecosystem, and it can lead to
corruption and violence.

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Often times with these illegal
logging operations, they're

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raising money for all sorts of
nefarious things, whether it's

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drug cartels or whether it's
geopolitical organizations who

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are looking to shape the world
like the Wagner Group.

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All of those things are pretty
horrible and the illegal logging

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trade really builds their
coffers up.

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So we want to stop that.

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And lastly, what it does is it
leads to revenue losses for US

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businesses.

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If the market is being flooded
by cheap illegal timber, then

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the original owners of that
timber are not getting a fair

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price for it.

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Or may it was, maybe it was
stolen from those communities or

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from those indigenous peoples
and now it's being dumped on the

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market and somebody somewhere is
making a dime, but it's not US

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businesses.

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Next slide.

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So what are the requirements of
the Lacey Act for plants and

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plant products?

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So all imported plants and plant
products must have been legally

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harvested, possessed, sold or
transported.

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And it's been the law since
2009.

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It is also true that there are
we've been phasing in the import

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declaration since 2009 in
several phases.

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So articles imported that under
that act may require a

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declaration stating the value
and the quantity of the

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importation.

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The country the plant was taken,
meaning the country of harvest,

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which is often times very
different than the country of

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origin.

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Country of origin, according to
CBP is the country it was last

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transformed.

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So not where that chair was
built, but where the wood that

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made-up that chair was
harvested.

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So I need country of harvest,
not country of origin.

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And lastly, on the declaration,
we need scientific name of each

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plant in the product.

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And when scientific name comes
up, what we mean is genus and

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species, that binomial
nomenclature.

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What we need is, for example, if
you're bringing in white oak,

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it's Quercus Alba.

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So we need genus Quericus Alba
species.

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We cannot have Quericus SPP or
SP.

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That's not correct.

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That's not the scientific name,
and we can't have common names

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like white oak.

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OK.

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So we really need the genus and
species because there's a lot of

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species out there.

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I'm thinking of a common names
like ironwood where there may be

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50 different species under the
name, the common name ironwood

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depending on where you are in
the world.

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So it's really, really, really
important you get the genus and

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species of the plants that's
that are in your product.

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Next slide.

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Now the Lacey Act doesn't cover
everything and there are

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exemptions to the Lacey Act
declaration and there are

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exemptions to the law.

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So first of all, we have common
food crops and common cultivars,

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common food crops.

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If you think of tomatoes, if you
think of strawberries, here we

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have a picture of apples.

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Those would be exempt.

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Anything for for human or animal
consumption that would be exempt

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from the Lacey Act.

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Also a common cultivars.

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Here we have the example of
lavender, but things like

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cotton, things like flax, things
like peppermint that may be used

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for flavorings or, or or for
fragrances.

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Those common cultivars, they're
actually cultivated in a field.

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And remember, the Lacey Act is a
conservation loss.

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So we're really concerned about
the conservation of wild plants.

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Lacey Act doesn't really cover
things that are cultivated.

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So both common food crops and
common cultivars except trees

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would be excluded exemptions.

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Now here's here's a little bit
of the rub except trees.

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And what I mean by this is the
apples and maybe the apple

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leaves are exempted do not
require a declaration.

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But the Applewood itself, if you
were bringing an Applewood chips

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to the United States than the
Applewood chips or Apson

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Applewood would require a
declaration, just not the food

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part.

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And we do have a list on our
website which I'll talk about in

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a little bit.

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Other items that don't require a
declaration that would be

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scientific specimens or spec or
plants that were brought in

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specifically to propagate.

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So plants for planting, whether
it's little seedlings or ball

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and burlap trees or nursery
stock or seeds that will be

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planted, all of those things are
exempt from a declaration.

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In addition, wood products use
as packaging material.

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So if you have crates around
your washing machines, if you

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have your product on wood
pallets all wrapped and you

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know, and that Saran wrap stuff,
those are considered wood

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packaging and are not required
for a declaration.

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So they are exempted from the
declaration requirement.

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However, if you are bringing in
specifically pallets, brand new

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pallets under the HTS code for
pallets, then in that case you

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would require a declaration
because you're bringing in the

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commodity itself, you're not
bringing it in as being used as

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wood packaging material.

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And lastly, there is products
that meet the de minimis

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criteria for Lacey.

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If you look in the Federal
Register, we I think we put that

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in 2021.

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And in that, what we're saying
is that products that have a

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very small amount of of plant
material, very, very small

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amount, less than 5% of the
weight of the total of the total

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object and no more than 2.9
kilograms for the HTS code

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00:11:33.635 --> 00:11:34.080
entry.

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That would be such a small
amount that we would not require

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a declaration.

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So in this case, here we have an
example of a sweater with a

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couple of wooden buttons.

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In that case, we wouldn't
require a declaration on a

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couple of wooden buttons on a
sweater.

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00:11:49.800 --> 00:11:53.123
And I have examples of that
later in this presentation

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because a lot of people asked me
about that in the last

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presentation I gave in August.

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So I want to kind of go over a
little bit more about what de

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minimis means in the Lacy world.

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Hey, next slide, all right.

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And so in April 2020, I'm sorry,
it was 2020, not 2020, the de

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minimis exception for Lacey Act
plants and plant products in the

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00:12:28.390 --> 00:12:31.190
Federal Register was was given.

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And so that's the
regulations.gov document that

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you can go to to read the entire
language of that Federal

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Register notice next slide.

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But what it really boils down to
you the de minimis for the Lacey

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Act is the threshold of no more
than 5% of the total weight of

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the individual product unit.

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So no.

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So in the the example we had the
sweater with buttons, those

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buttons were no more than 5.

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The weight of those buttons
we're no more than 5% of the

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total weight of the sweater.

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And in addition, provided that
the same total weight of the

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plant material in the entry of
products in the same 10 digit

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provision does not exceed 2.9
kilograms.

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So if you were bringing in a
bunch of sweaters, you can't

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have more than 2.9 kilograms of
plant material in that shipment

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00:13:32.752 --> 00:13:34.640
under at HTS code entry.

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So what this does is this
exception ensures that the

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declaration requirement fulfills
the intent of the Lacey Act

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while also reducing the
regulatory burden on importers.

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And it's just for a very, very,
very small amount of plant

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material in a product.

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One thing to note though is that
the exception does not apply to

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protected plant species.

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So if it's sites, there's no de
minimis available, there's no

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amount of small amount of sites
wood that's not going to come

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00:14:08.432 --> 00:14:12.784
in, that's not going to have
paperwork and is also going to

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require a Laceyac declaration.

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OK.

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So next slide.

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So the team and I have come up
with a couple of three examples

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of de minimis that from from
real world examples that we

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think may help explain how de
minimis works for the lazy act.

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So in this case, in example one,
we have a bench that's made out

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of resin and it has some wood
embellishments on the top

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00:14:44.021 --> 00:14:47.945
surface of the bench and the
total weight of the bench is 10

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kilograms and the total weight
of the wood embellishments is 5

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00:14:51.996 --> 00:14:52.640
kilograms.

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So in that case, since the wood
embellishments are 5% of the

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total weight of the product and
the total weight of the wood

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embellishments is less than 2.9
kilograms, OK, So .5 milligrams

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or .5 kilograms is less than
2.9, then the importation

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00:15:12.281 --> 00:15:16.599
qualifies for de minimis for the
and that's for Lacey.

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De minimis on CBP World means a
whole different thing.

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OK, so there is a note.

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There is a caveat here that the
HDS code line cannot exceed 2.9

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kilograms.

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So in this case, if you were
bringing in more than one bench,

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you can't have more than 5
tables included in an entry or

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00:15:39.300 --> 00:15:43.920
else it would exceed the limit
of 2.9 kilograms in the entry.

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OK, so there's two parts to the
de minimis that really you have

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to pay attention to.

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It's not just 5% of the total
weight of the product.

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It's also no more than 2.9
kilograms in the entire entry.

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OK, next slide.

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Now example two, we have a dust
chair with a wooden seat and

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plastic legs and back, and the
total weight of the chairs is 6

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00:16:11.966 --> 00:16:15.447
kilograms and the total weight
of the wood seat is 2.5

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00:16:15.447 --> 00:16:16.080
kilograms.

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00:16:16.560 --> 00:16:21.324
So as you can see, you know this
automatically doesn't we're

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00:16:21.324 --> 00:16:26.480
going to need a declaration here
because it doesn't fall under de

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00:16:26.480 --> 00:16:31.245
minimis because the wooden seat
is more than 5% of the total

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00:16:31.245 --> 00:16:33.120
weight of 6.6 kilograms.

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So it does not matter that the
wood seat is less than 2.9

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00:16:37.124 --> 00:16:37.760
kilograms.

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00:16:38.400 --> 00:16:43.660
The the fact that that wooden
seat is almost half of the whole

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00:16:43.660 --> 00:16:48.670
weight of the chair means it's
not de minimis and you would

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00:16:48.670 --> 00:16:51.760
require a declaration for this
item.

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Next slide.

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So let's say we have a
fiberglass canoe and that

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fiberglass canoe has wooden
seats.

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00:17:06.040 --> 00:17:09.572
The total weight of the canoe is
100 kilograms and the total

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00:17:09.572 --> 00:17:12.120
weight of the wooden states is 3
kilograms.

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00:17:12.920 --> 00:17:17.292
So in this case, since the
wooden seats by themselves make

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00:17:17.292 --> 00:17:22.110
way more than 2.9 kilograms even
though they are less than 5% of

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00:17:22.110 --> 00:17:26.705
the total weight of the canoe,
then a declaration is required

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00:17:26.705 --> 00:17:30.560
because this does not meet the
de minimis criteria.

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00:17:31.200 --> 00:17:35.179
So you need both parts and
hopefully these 3 examples will

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00:17:35.179 --> 00:17:39.158
give you a better idea of how
the de minimis works for the

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00:17:39.158 --> 00:17:40.440
Lacey Act criteria.

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00:17:42.200 --> 00:17:42.800
Next slide.

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00:17:47.880 --> 00:17:51.206
So one of the other things I
talked about for exemptions from

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00:17:51.206 --> 00:17:54.480
the declaration were common
cultivars and common food crops.

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00:17:54.800 --> 00:18:00.486
And if you go to our website,
you'll see a whole table of of

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00:18:00.486 --> 00:18:05.800
different plants and that you
can look up by plant name,

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00:18:05.800 --> 00:18:11.673
scientific name, by common name,
and it'll tell you what plant

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00:18:11.673 --> 00:18:17.080
parts are exempted under the
common cultivar, common food

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00:18:17.080 --> 00:18:17.640
crops.

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00:18:19.440 --> 00:18:23.440
So at in the next slide, I go
there.

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00:18:26.760 --> 00:18:30.792
If you went to our website and
went to the common cultivars and

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00:18:30.792 --> 00:18:34.761
common food crops, and let's say
you searched lemon, you would

7affd9e4-ac36-480d-8ce3-e500b4f67f34-2
00:18:34.761 --> 00:18:38.541
notice that the commodity type
lemon, the genus Citrus SPP,

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00:18:38.541 --> 00:18:41.880
there are exempted plant parts
from the declaration.

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00:18:41.880 --> 00:18:45.228
So here we have it's the fruit,
the flour, the leaves, the

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00:18:45.228 --> 00:18:47.840
seeds, the bark and products
made from those.

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00:18:47.840 --> 00:18:51.853
So if you have lemon oil, that
is going to be considered a

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00:18:51.853 --> 00:18:55.662
common cultivar, common food
crop, because we know that

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00:18:55.662 --> 00:19:00.083
you're getting those from lemon
orchards, commercial orchards to

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00:19:00.083 --> 00:19:01.919
supply your, your business.

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00:19:01.920 --> 00:19:06.321
You're not going to be randomly
going out into the woods getting

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00:19:06.321 --> 00:19:10.520
lemon for lemon oils from wild
lemon plants around the world.

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00:19:11.400 --> 00:19:14.720
So again, this is a great thing
to look up.

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00:19:14.720 --> 00:19:18.851
If you have a plant or a plant
part that you think may be a

aacef2e2-8f03-4190-bc0e-2c18bbfeaf9b-1
00:19:18.851 --> 00:19:23.189
common cultivar or a common food
crop, check this list 1st and

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00:19:23.189 --> 00:19:24.360
see what you got.

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00:19:24.360 --> 00:19:28.120
See if you need to fill out a
declaration next slide.

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00:19:32.360 --> 00:19:36.120
Now the list is not exhaustive
and species can be added to it.

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00:19:36.760 --> 00:19:40.806
The instructions on how to
propose additions to the list

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00:19:40.806 --> 00:19:45.065
can be found in the Federal
Register and we have that in at

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00:19:45.065 --> 00:19:46.840
that website right there.

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00:19:46.840 --> 00:19:52.469
If you go to the the Federal
Register, it's under, it was

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00:19:52.469 --> 00:19:53.440
from 2016.

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00:19:55.000 --> 00:19:58.400
And that's where you'll find
that next slide.

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00:20:02.560 --> 00:20:06.443
Now again, all of this does not
apply to sites, so exclusions do

74a6035d-1d61-4252-bddf-869b75b4cfd8-1
00:20:06.443 --> 00:20:09.669
not apply to protected plants,
whether they're sites,

74a6035d-1d61-4252-bddf-869b75b4cfd8-2
00:20:09.669 --> 00:20:12.000
Endangered Species Act, what
have you.

32372d27-ee48-4edd-b370-6fdd6e0346bf-0
00:20:12.640 --> 00:20:16.985
If there's any sort of
protection to those plants, you

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00:20:16.985 --> 00:20:19.040
you require a declaration.

9805917c-1dc0-43c0-afca-dbed17e56930-0
00:20:19.120 --> 00:20:21.280
There is no get out of jail free
card.

09e4c516-41e1-433d-b901-becb1c4b58d8-0
00:20:23.600 --> 00:20:30.446
Next, on our website we have a
schedule enforcement so you can

09e4c516-41e1-433d-b901-becb1c4b58d8-1
00:20:30.446 --> 00:20:36.640
look up right now the things
that require a declaration.

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00:20:37.320 --> 00:20:41.668
All of the HTS codes that have
been implemented in the earlier

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00:20:41.668 --> 00:20:45.051
phases of the Laceyac
Declaration implementation

cce1098e-6514-49b6-a2b4-dcdaf0cfc342-2
00:20:45.051 --> 00:20:49.469
schedule are all listed on our
website so that you can see what

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00:20:49.469 --> 00:20:52.851
is currently required, what
currently requires a

cce1098e-6514-49b6-a2b4-dcdaf0cfc342-4
00:20:52.851 --> 00:20:53.680
declaration.

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00:20:54.240 --> 00:20:58.716
And then on December 1st, we'll
add a bunch more when it comes

60b6e4cf-2041-4c2b-baef-e1e71fd39915-1
00:20:58.716 --> 00:21:00.280
to Phase 7 next slide.

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00:21:04.320 --> 00:21:06.440
So we've been going through
several phases.

d7cf10bd-307b-4abb-92af-cb40ae9fc520-0
00:21:06.440 --> 00:21:11.085
So phases one through 6 were
implemented from 2008 to 2021

d7cf10bd-307b-4abb-92af-cb40ae9fc520-1
00:21:11.085 --> 00:21:15.259
and what we've been doing is
slowly implementing the

d7cf10bd-307b-4abb-92af-cb40ae9fc520-2
00:21:15.259 --> 00:21:20.062
declaration for new products
over time because simply plants

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00:21:20.062 --> 00:21:21.480
are in everything.

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00:21:22.160 --> 00:21:26.594
So we couldn't just add the
entire HTS code universe in

13c83af5-c00c-4eaa-a40b-100fa893c246-1
00:21:26.594 --> 00:21:29.920
2008, that would have been mind
boggling.

db1cd916-6272-4135-a965-a8e5f6bf4c2a-0
00:21:30.320 --> 00:21:33.895
So what we've been doing is
we've been doing it over time

db1cd916-6272-4135-a965-a8e5f6bf4c2a-1
00:21:33.895 --> 00:21:37.532
and some of the earlier ones
were kind of no brainers like

db1cd916-6272-4135-a965-a8e5f6bf4c2a-2
00:21:37.532 --> 00:21:41.355
timber and wood chips and and
things are very obviously plant

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00:21:41.355 --> 00:21:42.280
plant products.

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00:21:42.920 --> 00:21:46.648
And now here we are at Phase 7,
which will be implemented

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00:21:46.648 --> 00:21:48.320
December 1st of this year.

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00:21:49.400 --> 00:21:52.538
And that is kind of, we're
calling it the junk drawer of

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00:21:52.538 --> 00:21:53.640
the Lacey Act world.

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00:21:53.640 --> 00:21:58.976
It's kind of everything that's
left in the HTS code world that

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00:21:58.976 --> 00:22:03.720
it has plant material that is
not 100% composite in it.

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00:22:04.200 --> 00:22:09.426
So it's everything from tools to
kitchenware to bowls to

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00:22:09.426 --> 00:22:14.928
housewares to boats to toys to
sporting goods to matches to

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00:22:14.928 --> 00:22:17.680
just everything under the sun.

d7340ba1-5324-4705-91bc-5f0927d27005-0
00:22:18.680 --> 00:22:23.176
We last summer spent a lot of
time looking through the

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00:22:23.176 --> 00:22:28.081
thousands and thousands of HTS
codes and and we narrowed it

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00:22:28.081 --> 00:22:33.150
down to about 250 codes that
still had plant material in them

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00:22:33.150 --> 00:22:35.440
that was not 100% composite.

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00:22:36.360 --> 00:22:40.162
That will happen December 1st
and then after December 1st, we

bec9af38-99e5-41ea-9e49-7e879448bf08-1
00:22:40.162 --> 00:22:43.965
will immediately start working
on Phase 8, which is hopefully

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00:22:43.965 --> 00:22:47.400
the last phase, which will be
composite plant products.

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00:22:48.120 --> 00:22:48.680
Next slide.

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00:22:56.120 --> 00:23:01.146
So the notice was published in
the Federal Register May 31st

906de786-e634-4442-b7df-ad9dbfdfa846-1
00:23:01.146 --> 00:23:05.843
and we gave folks six months
before to get ready for the

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00:23:05.843 --> 00:23:07.080
implementation.

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00:23:07.080 --> 00:23:10.960
So the implementation date is
December 1st, 2024.

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00:23:12.240 --> 00:23:16.692
And we put out recently in
another stakeholder registry

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00:23:16.692 --> 00:23:21.303
announcement with the HTS code
update of the ones that we

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00:23:21.303 --> 00:23:26.073
proposed in May, we are not
going to implement one of those

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00:23:26.073 --> 00:23:30.764
that is the essential oil of
vetiver because it's a common

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00:23:30.764 --> 00:23:31.480
cultivar.

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00:23:31.840 --> 00:23:34.120
So we're not going to implement
that one.

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00:23:35.000 --> 00:23:38.570
And then we were also noticed
from some of the, the

128c2624-2a04-4db8-8141-7c263cb00039-1
00:23:38.570 --> 00:23:42.621
information that we got from
stakeholders that we missed 3

128c2624-2a04-4db8-8141-7c263cb00039-2
00:23:42.621 --> 00:23:43.720
furniture codes.

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00:23:45.640 --> 00:23:49.225
In the future, we will publish
another Federal Register notice

75674950-0391-412c-a66b-340bc511cdd6-1
00:23:49.225 --> 00:23:51.160
with those three furniture
codes.

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00:23:51.640 --> 00:23:55.590
And six months after we
published that notice is when we

7768da91-515e-4e6b-9a3d-c3d6d8717357-1
00:23:55.590 --> 00:23:57.600
will require the declaration.

8adf705b-bf8d-414c-80bb-f5e299377a51-0
00:23:58.000 --> 00:23:59.880
I don't have a timeline for
that.

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00:24:00.640 --> 00:24:04.330
As you know, when we get new
administrations and we will have

a6e58d7d-b287-4c4a-a571-f48881582a3f-1
00:24:04.330 --> 00:24:07.961
one regardless who wins the
election, they kind of slow down

a6e58d7d-b287-4c4a-a571-f48881582a3f-2
00:24:07.961 --> 00:24:11.591
a lot of the Federal Register
stuff because they need to get

a6e58d7d-b287-4c4a-a571-f48881582a3f-3
00:24:11.591 --> 00:24:13.080
their people up to speed.

2b15f34b-e6b8-474f-b195-47bb31ce1b4f-0
00:24:13.800 --> 00:24:16.920
Their secretaries, they're under
secretaries, all their political

2b15f34b-e6b8-474f-b195-47bb31ce1b4f-1
00:24:16.920 --> 00:24:17.440
appointees.

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00:24:17.440 --> 00:24:22.032
So I can't give you, AI cannot
give you a date as to when that

3b9759db-8448-4229-9e14-6cb536dc7426-1
00:24:22.032 --> 00:24:26.769
Federal Register notice will be
published, but it will be in the

3b9759db-8448-4229-9e14-6cb536dc7426-2
00:24:26.769 --> 00:24:27.280
future.

7c1ab05a-b204-4044-80a0-0e3bb83d8a5f-0
00:24:28.880 --> 00:24:29.480
Next slide.

9d41ae2b-7847-432f-89ae-71adf3dbdadf-0
00:24:36.920 --> 00:24:40.174
So this is just to reiterate
everything, everything,

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00:24:40.174 --> 00:24:43.981
everything, everything that has
plant products in it, whether

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00:24:43.981 --> 00:24:47.604
it's the mount to a trophy,
whether it's a whiskey barrel,

9d41ae2b-7847-432f-89ae-71adf3dbdadf-3
00:24:47.604 --> 00:24:51.227
whether it's a boat, whether
it's the wooden soles in your

9d41ae2b-7847-432f-89ae-71adf3dbdadf-4
00:24:51.227 --> 00:24:55.034
shoe, whether it's furniture,
tools, all sorts of baskets and

9d41ae2b-7847-432f-89ae-71adf3dbdadf-5
00:24:55.034 --> 00:24:57.919
random stuff that have plant
material in them.

651f4030-06c0-4519-bdff-5d924ecc1534-0
00:24:58.040 --> 00:25:02.711
That is what is going to be in
phase seven and that is what is

651f4030-06c0-4519-bdff-5d924ecc1534-1
00:25:02.711 --> 00:25:07.160
going to require a declaration
on December 1st, next slide.

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00:25:12.320 --> 00:25:16.068
The bottom line is if the HTS
code is flagged in Lacey or a

18a58f43-3c2a-44d8-a692-da116cd47640-1
00:25:16.068 --> 00:25:19.880
flag for Lacey, you will need
the species and the country of

18a58f43-3c2a-44d8-a692-da116cd47640-2
00:25:19.880 --> 00:25:23.566
harvest information for articles
containing wood and plant

18a58f43-3c2a-44d8-a692-da116cd47640-3
00:25:23.566 --> 00:25:27.440
products, plant products that
are not 100% composite material

18a58f43-3c2a-44d8-a692-da116cd47640-4
00:25:27.440 --> 00:25:29.440
that are not otherwise exempted.

1c03d63f-88eb-4ebf-acd0-befb6aede26c-0
00:25:30.080 --> 00:25:34.520
What this means is you need to
get that species and country of

1c03d63f-88eb-4ebf-acd0-befb6aede26c-1
00:25:34.520 --> 00:25:38.889
harvest information now so that
you are ready December 1st to

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00:25:38.889 --> 00:25:40.440
file your declaration.

71f7b5b0-b079-415b-857b-b08339a8f500-0
00:25:40.680 --> 00:25:42.040
There's no grace period.

4d1e5465-982a-42a9-a62e-104ee12b1f59-0
00:25:42.280 --> 00:25:44.200
There is no extra time.

a853f7ab-e55a-41fa-8276-f1f44382e04f-0
00:25:44.440 --> 00:25:48.080
We are now at the time when we
need that information.

31634017-0fe1-4610-bd90-9055898d33af-0
00:25:48.080 --> 00:25:51.800
So you will have to ask your
supply chain for that

31634017-0fe1-4610-bd90-9055898d33af-1
00:25:51.800 --> 00:25:54.280
information for this
declaration.

a47bc696-902f-460e-b079-10febeb440a6-0
00:25:56.760 --> 00:25:57.320
Next slide.

e62cbd49-0935-4c93-a5a1-b4211734b150-0
00:26:01.920 --> 00:26:03.160
Now the Lacey program.

000d6ded-daea-4750-9992-00d97e2e4587-0
00:26:03.200 --> 00:26:06.826
There's six of us on the program
and we work really, really hard

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to answer questions in our Lacey
Act declaration box.

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But we also work hard on all
sorts of other things, including

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keeping the logs system that the
USDA has up and running and

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00:26:18.728 --> 00:26:22.297
making sure that that's
available for folks who don't

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00:26:22.297 --> 00:26:25.800
want to use ACE to file their
Lacey Act declaration.

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In addition, we've been working
with with different entities in,

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in the USUSDA, like the, the
Forest Service international

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programs and some of the other
programs.

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And they are working hard to
build up reference collections

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from around the world for wood
and wood species so that in the

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future, those reference
collections can be used by not

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only governments, but hopefully
locally, local industries that

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want to test their own supply
chains and test the material

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00:26:58.361 --> 00:27:02.004
that they're getting to make
sure that they're getting the

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species that is on the paperwork
that they're getting.

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So there's a lot going on in
Lacy world.

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And, and I, if you gave me
another three hours, I would

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00:27:11.178 --> 00:27:12.200
bore you to death.

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So next slide.

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So what's next, phase eight.

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Now this is all remaining
composite materials.

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So composite materials right
now, the current definition of

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composite materials are plants,
fibers that are pulled apart and

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then bonded back together.

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Doesn't really reference whether
it's chemical bonding or

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mechanical bonding or some other
types of bonding.

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And it doesn't really cover
liquid composites.

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So we do anticipate some
rulemaking in the future when it

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comes to composites to get the
definition right.

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When it comes to composites, I
think it's easy for people to

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wrap their head around things
like paper and particle board

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and HDF and MDF and maybe even
wood, plastic composite.

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They can wrap their head around
that and say, oh, cardboard,

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yeah, that's a plant composite
material.

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But then when you think of
things like latex and all the

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things that rubber goes into,
right, that then becomes a whole

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ball of wax as well as things
like acetate or even rayon.

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I don't know how far down the
HTS code world will go.

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We want to keep it closer to the
plant so that you can actually

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give us the information of your
supply chain of the species and

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the country of harvest that is
in your product.

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But it's going to require a lot
of thinking and a lot of mental

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gymnastics on our part.

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We'll be reaching out to
industry to learn more about

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00:28:51.657 --> 00:28:55.241
manufacturing and to learn more
about all of the different plant

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composite products out there.

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It's going to take several
years, so it's not going to

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happen overnight, but we want to
get it right.

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00:29:03.200 --> 00:29:06.576
So we're going to be asking for
lots of industry input when we

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do get to composite plant
materials because it's the wild,

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00:29:09.739 --> 00:29:11.240
Wild West when we get there.

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OK, next.

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So our Lacey Act website is a
wealth of information.

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00:29:26.200 --> 00:29:29.737
You can go there and get
information not only about the

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00:29:29.737 --> 00:29:33.528
current HTS codes, but you can
get information about how to

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00:29:33.528 --> 00:29:35.360
file a Lacey Act declaration.

763e79e0-ff4b-4102-bbcd-a67b36435195-0
00:29:35.640 --> 00:29:38.931
You can get information on
whether you really need to file

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00:29:38.931 --> 00:29:42.502
at all, and an information about
Lacey in general when it comes

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00:29:42.502 --> 00:29:44.400
to the plants and plant
products.

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00:29:44.400 --> 00:29:46.560
So it's a really good website.

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I invite you to look at it and
and ask lots of questions.

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Next slide.

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00:29:58.240 --> 00:30:03.064
And you can ask those questions
to our six person team at

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00:30:03.064 --> 00:30:05.560
laci.act.declaration@usda.gov.

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00:30:06.640 --> 00:30:09.960
We, we answer the, the emails
from that mailbox.

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00:30:09.960 --> 00:30:13.571
If you have specific questions
or, or need help trying to

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00:30:13.571 --> 00:30:17.369
figure out how to fill out a
declaration, you know, go ahead

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00:30:17.369 --> 00:30:21.230
and send us a e-mail and we'll
try to help you out as best as

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00:30:21.230 --> 00:30:22.040
it as we can.

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00:30:22.680 --> 00:30:27.105
And because this is a worldwide
problem, illegal logging and the

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00:30:27.105 --> 00:30:31.121
illegal harvest of plants around
the world is, is really a

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00:30:31.121 --> 00:30:32.960
horrible, horrible problem.

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And so we want to invite you to
help us by promoting the

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00:30:37.227 --> 00:30:40.720
responsible harvest to save the
world's forest.

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And lastly, if there's a code
there if you need it.

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00:30:48.640 --> 00:30:51.320
But other than that, I am ready
for questions.

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OK, well, it looks like we're
going to have a lot of

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00:30:59.507 --> 00:31:04.104
questions, so we will, we will
go into the top of the hour and

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00:31:04.104 --> 00:31:06.440
try to answer as many as we can.

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00:31:06.440 --> 00:31:11.600
And if not, remember
lacey.act.declaration@usda.gov.

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00:31:13.720 --> 00:31:18.309
The first question is, since
bamboo is exempt from Lacey Act,

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00:31:18.309 --> 00:31:20.160
how do we process an ACE?

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00:31:21.640 --> 00:31:23.880
OK, so here's the caveat with
bamboo.

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Bamboo is exempt from a
declaration if it's plantation

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00:31:30.371 --> 00:31:31.040
grown.

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If you can prove that bamboo is
plantation grown, we don't need

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00:31:35.605 --> 00:31:36.920
a declaration for it.

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00:31:37.400 --> 00:31:42.650
However, if you cannot prove
that that bamboo product is is

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00:31:42.650 --> 00:31:48.075
is grown in the plantation AKA
it might be wild wild harvest,

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00:31:48.075 --> 00:31:51.400
then you would require a
declaration.

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00:31:52.200 --> 00:31:54.440
There is a lot of plantation
grown bamboo.

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00:31:54.440 --> 00:31:57.622
You just have to verify in your
supply chain that that's what's

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00:31:57.622 --> 00:31:58.120
happening.

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00:31:58.560 --> 00:32:02.290
And if that's the case, then for
that bamboo that's plantation

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00:32:02.290 --> 00:32:04.600
grown you will not need a
declaration.

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OK.

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Will the presentation be
available to attendees?

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I can give that to Chrissy and I
leave that up to CBP whether

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00:32:18.091 --> 00:32:21.800
they would like to post that
with the recording.

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What is the siding for the
exemption mentioned for the de

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00:32:33.130 --> 00:32:33.640
minimis?

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00:32:34.840 --> 00:32:42.008
So the de minimis, it is in the
Federal Register, it is in this

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00:32:42.008 --> 00:32:45.480
PowerPoint that the link to it.

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00:32:46.240 --> 00:32:50.299
But basically what it boils down
to and the information that we

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00:32:50.299 --> 00:32:53.788
have on our website kind of
explains that, that it was

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00:32:53.788 --> 00:32:57.594
really the whole point of it is
for things that have a very

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00:32:57.594 --> 00:33:01.147
small amount of of plant
material and it really doesn't

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00:33:01.147 --> 00:33:04.635
necessitate a declaration
because there's such a small

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00:33:04.635 --> 00:33:05.080
amount.

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So if you look on our website or
if you look in the Federal

487e9fad-ca6d-440b-b346-14edc8965954-1
00:33:09.980 --> 00:33:14.201
Register about de minimis it, it
will explain all the nuts and

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00:33:14.201 --> 00:33:18.489
bolts And this presentation you
can watch again and look at the

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00:33:18.489 --> 00:33:19.360
examples too.

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OK, Do you have a list of
products and the respective

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00:33:28.615 --> 00:33:31.240
countries banned for the import
to the US?

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00:33:32.840 --> 00:33:36.800
There's nothing there's nothing
banned for Lacey.

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Lacey is, is a, is strictly
strict liability law in that it

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00:33:41.510 --> 00:33:45.646
is, it is on the importer and
the manufacturer and, and

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00:33:45.646 --> 00:33:50.298
everyone in the supply chain to
make sure that that the plants

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00:33:50.298 --> 00:33:55.172
that they're bringing in and the
plant parts that are bringing in

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00:33:55.172 --> 00:33:57.240
are not illegally harvested.

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There's no illegality in that
supply chain.

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00:34:00.000 --> 00:34:03.987
And illegality can also mean
like you didn't pay your taxes

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00:34:03.987 --> 00:34:07.975
or you didn't get the right
permit to harvest or, you know,

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00:34:07.975 --> 00:34:11.897
you stole it from, you know,
from the woods to the left of

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00:34:11.897 --> 00:34:13.160
your property line.

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All of that's illegality.

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And any of that is a is a
violation of LACI.

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00:34:20.160 --> 00:34:24.060
So it would be hard for us to
say what is banned because it

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00:34:24.060 --> 00:34:27.765
could be, there could be Lacy
violations in all sorts of

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00:34:27.765 --> 00:34:28.480
situations.

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00:34:28.840 --> 00:34:33.128
And the laws around the world
change so frequently that what

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00:34:33.128 --> 00:34:37.487
you really have to do is do your
homework, verify your supply

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00:34:37.487 --> 00:34:41.917
chain, do your checks of your
supply chain, do site visits and

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00:34:41.917 --> 00:34:45.995
things like that to make sure
that what you're getting is

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00:34:45.995 --> 00:34:47.120
illegality free.

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00:34:51.000 --> 00:34:54.653
Does de minimis replace the
exemption from reporting that

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00:34:54.653 --> 00:34:56.480
existed for informal entries?

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00:34:57.840 --> 00:35:00.160
So the informal entry.

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00:35:01.480 --> 00:35:05.808
So for Lacey, for the Lacey Act
declaration, we don't require

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00:35:05.808 --> 00:35:08.880
Lacey Act declaration for
informal entries.

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00:35:08.880 --> 00:35:14.960
And we go with what CBP defines
formal and informal entry.

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00:35:15.200 --> 00:35:18.713
If CBP says it's an informal
entry, we don't require a

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00:35:18.713 --> 00:35:19.480
declaration.

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00:35:20.080 --> 00:35:22.520
If it's a formal entry, then
yes, we do.

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00:35:23.760 --> 00:35:28.768
So I know that with CBP, the de
minimis has to do with the value

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00:35:28.768 --> 00:35:31.080
of the shipment that has that.

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00:35:32.320 --> 00:35:36.053
For Lacey Act, it's if it's a
formal or an informal shipment,

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00:35:36.053 --> 00:35:39.607
according to CBP, That's when
you decide whether or that's

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00:35:39.607 --> 00:35:43.040
when you know you have to fill
out a declaration or not.

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00:35:46.680 --> 00:35:50.392
What should an importer do if
they are unable to obtain some

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00:35:50.392 --> 00:35:53.800
or all of the information
required for the declaration?

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00:35:54.160 --> 00:35:58.322
For example, if they have the
country of harvest and the genus

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00:35:58.322 --> 00:36:01.560
but do not know the species, you
need to get it.

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00:36:02.240 --> 00:36:04.840
That's the bottom line here.

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00:36:04.920 --> 00:36:07.320
Here's here's, here's the facts.

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00:36:07.320 --> 00:36:09.720
The law has been in place since
2009.

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00:36:10.280 --> 00:36:14.725
And if there's illegality, the
Department of Justice and the

bb7df162-bdcf-42ec-a45a-faf226f672b7-1
00:36:14.725 --> 00:36:18.588
law enforcement folks that we
work with don't need a

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00:36:18.588 --> 00:36:22.742
declaration to start an
investigation in either civil or

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00:36:22.742 --> 00:36:24.200
criminal violations.

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00:36:24.640 --> 00:36:26.480
So it's what's required.

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00:36:27.040 --> 00:36:30.120
It is now what is required to
import.

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00:36:30.520 --> 00:36:33.120
So you need the information.

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00:36:33.120 --> 00:36:34.080
You need to get it.

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00:36:37.360 --> 00:36:41.040
Do essential oils fall under the
common cultivar rules?

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00:36:43.360 --> 00:36:44.880
Some essential oils do.

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00:36:45.920 --> 00:36:50.349
So if you think about like the
example I gave lemon oil, lemon

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00:36:50.349 --> 00:36:52.880
oil would be you could it would
be.

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00:36:52.920 --> 00:36:57.320
If it's citrus SP, it would be
considered a common cultivar.

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00:36:58.440 --> 00:37:01.514
There are some essential oils
right now that we require a

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00:37:01.514 --> 00:37:02.840
Lacey Act declaration on.

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00:37:03.280 --> 00:37:08.115
Those are like sandalwood, rose
Du Bois, cedar wood, and on

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00:37:08.115 --> 00:37:12.871
December 1st we'll be doing the
the other other other four

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00:37:12.871 --> 00:37:14.080
essential oils.

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00:37:14.680 --> 00:37:18.502
In that case, some of those oils
that are being that are under

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00:37:18.502 --> 00:37:22.143
the other other other category
may be common cultivars, but

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00:37:22.143 --> 00:37:23.599
some of them may not be.

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00:37:23.800 --> 00:37:28.040
So it's really up to the
importer to to check the list.

01c968f2-77f2-4ddc-9bd0-225cfc773464-0
00:37:28.040 --> 00:37:32.637
Talk to us to find out whether
that plant is considered a

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00:37:32.637 --> 00:37:36.600
common cultivar or food crop or
whether it's not.

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00:37:40.760 --> 00:37:45.385
Is there a limit for how many
shipments are entries per day

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00:37:45.385 --> 00:37:50.396
regarding the de minimis for the
Lacey Act, like for example, if

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00:37:50.396 --> 00:37:55.021
they had three different entries
declaring under 5% and not

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00:37:55.021 --> 00:37:59.954
exceeding 2.9 kilograms on each
coming in on the same day, that

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00:37:59.954 --> 00:38:00.880
that's fine.

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00:38:00.880 --> 00:38:03.680
There's no limitation on the
amount of of entries.

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00:38:03.680 --> 00:38:04.680
You can have a day.

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00:38:04.680 --> 00:38:09.800
And, and you know, when we came
up with that, we, I, I think, I

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00:38:09.800 --> 00:38:14.360
don't know, that was before my
time, but it, it, it is a

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00:38:14.360 --> 00:38:19.320
possibility that you might have
to break up shipments so that

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00:38:19.320 --> 00:38:24.040
you don't get over the 2.9
kilogram total for the HTS code

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00:38:24.040 --> 00:38:25.640
rule for de minimis.

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00:38:25.640 --> 00:38:29.110
But there's no limit on the
amount of of of entries you can

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00:38:29.110 --> 00:38:29.920
have in a day.

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00:38:32.880 --> 00:38:35.856
This one might be a little bit
redundant, but, you know, just

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00:38:35.856 --> 00:38:36.480
for emphasis.

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00:38:37.840 --> 00:38:39.560
So they say so whoops.

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00:38:39.760 --> 00:38:43.333
If I'm importing a lemon
essential oil that meets the

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00:38:43.333 --> 00:38:47.370
criteria for being a common
cultivar, but the HTS code falls

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00:38:47.370 --> 00:38:51.143
under the Phase 7 declaration
schedule, am I exempt from

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00:38:51.143 --> 00:38:54.320
filing an import declaration
regardless of HTS?

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00:38:55.520 --> 00:38:57.720
So that brings up disclaim
codes.

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00:38:58.200 --> 00:39:02.783
So you'll notice an ACE that
there are disclaim codes for

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00:39:02.783 --> 00:39:04.680
certain things in Lacey.

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00:39:04.680 --> 00:39:07.861
So whether you're bringing in,
let's say the HTS code is a

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00:39:07.861 --> 00:39:11.043
bunch of hammers and you're
bringing in all metal hammers,

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00:39:11.043 --> 00:39:13.200
well, there's a disclaim code
for that.

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00:39:13.440 --> 00:39:18.346
There's also a disclaim code for
things that are exempt from lace

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00:39:18.346 --> 00:39:22.360
Lacey, like common cultivars,
like common food crops.

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00:39:22.560 --> 00:39:27.344
So you would use one of those
disclaim codes and that would

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00:39:27.344 --> 00:39:32.287
allow you not to fill out the
the declaration and all of that

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00:39:32.287 --> 00:39:34.520
can be found on our website.

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00:39:34.520 --> 00:39:39.925
Information about the disclaimed
codes are all there are items

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00:39:39.925 --> 00:39:45.331
made with rubber, for example,
rubber grips considered a plant

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00:39:45.331 --> 00:39:50.737
material requiring a Lacey Act
declaration that is going to be

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00:39:50.737 --> 00:39:55.200
composite material and we
haven't gotten there yet.

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00:39:56.640 --> 00:40:00.813
We're going to be reaching out
to the rubber industry and the

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00:40:00.813 --> 00:40:04.784
latex industries to kind of
figure out how much processing

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00:40:04.784 --> 00:40:08.689
goes into some of the products
that are made from natural

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00:40:08.689 --> 00:40:12.862
rubber and and natural latex to
see how far down the HTS code

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00:40:12.862 --> 00:40:14.679
chain we really want to go.

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00:40:15.240 --> 00:40:16.240
We can't, obviously.

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00:40:16.240 --> 00:40:20.654
Add every HTS code in the world
to the Lacey Act declaration and

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00:40:20.654 --> 00:40:22.760
and you get to the point where.

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00:40:23.440 --> 00:40:26.899
Maybe it's been through 8 or 9
processes and we've already

51940e52-e391-4e2d-bef2-3bb904a0cea7-1
00:40:26.899 --> 00:40:30.593
maybe gotten that information
about the species and country of

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00:40:30.593 --> 00:40:34.170
harvest in an earlier, you know,
declaration from an earlier

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00:40:34.170 --> 00:40:34.640
process.

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00:40:34.640 --> 00:40:39.810
So we might be getting
duplicative data if we go really

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00:40:39.810 --> 00:40:44.520
far down the declaration
schedule or HTS schedule.

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00:40:44.520 --> 00:40:47.575
So, you know, bear with us,
we're going to be thinking about

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00:40:47.575 --> 00:40:49.878
that and reaching out to
industry to get more

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00:40:49.878 --> 00:40:50.480
information.

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00:40:55.800 --> 00:40:56.280
OK.

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00:40:57.000 --> 00:41:00.933
The PGA exemption list for the
de minimis says it is not

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00:41:00.933 --> 00:41:05.074
required for entry type 86,
which I don't off the top of my

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00:41:05.074 --> 00:41:08.800
head know what that is with no
mentions to the weight

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00:41:08.800 --> 00:41:09.560
proportion.

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00:41:09.880 --> 00:41:11.520
How do we navigate that?

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00:41:11.560 --> 00:41:14.920
And if that's the case, what
about AL two flags?

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00:41:15.840 --> 00:41:19.823
So what is happening there is
you're conflating the LACIAC de

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00:41:19.823 --> 00:41:21.880
minimis with the CVP de minimis.

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00:41:22.440 --> 00:41:29.680
CVP de minimis that that 86 is
for shipments under $800, right.

bbc1bdfd-bebb-4b86-9cb0-10f36ddb1fba-0
00:41:29.920 --> 00:41:34.578
So that's what that is what CVP
has determined what de minimis

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00:41:34.578 --> 00:41:34.800
is.

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00:41:35.160 --> 00:41:39.449
What we're saying in Lacey Act
is that we have a separate de

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00:41:39.449 --> 00:41:43.316
minimis criteria and our de
minimis has to do with the

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00:41:43.316 --> 00:41:46.200
amount of plant material in the
product.

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00:41:46.760 --> 00:41:51.789
So it is, it's completely
different than the than the Type

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00:41:51.789 --> 00:41:53.920
86, completely different.

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00:41:54.240 --> 00:41:56.200
They don't, they don't interact.

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00:42:02.970 --> 00:42:06.496
Do you have any ideas on what
types of commodities will be

c3836cfa-aeea-493f-88f3-d47c05edd17a-1
00:42:06.496 --> 00:42:08.050
covered under phase eight?

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00:42:09.770 --> 00:42:12.570
I think there's some no brainer
stuff that we can think about.

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00:42:12.570 --> 00:42:17.387
If we can think about particle
board, we can think about

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00:42:17.387 --> 00:42:22.627
cardboard, we can think about
paper, you know, MDF, you know,

8daf090e-67bb-48cf-b1e3-283c2dfc2739-2
00:42:22.627 --> 00:42:26.600
HDF, some of those sorts of
things, wood pulp.

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00:42:27.720 --> 00:42:32.890
But then after that, it really
depends on how we craft the

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00:42:32.890 --> 00:42:35.520
definition of plant composite.

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00:42:36.000 --> 00:42:38.400
And so that's where the rule
making is going to come in.

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00:42:38.400 --> 00:42:42.536
We're going to be doing some,
you know, reaching out in the

14354ea5-6032-491c-8ae5-693309afa113-1
00:42:42.536 --> 00:42:46.741
Federal Register doing, you
know, one of those announcements

14354ea5-6032-491c-8ae5-693309afa113-2
00:42:46.741 --> 00:42:50.325
of, you know, prior to
rulemaking to get, you know,

14354ea5-6032-491c-8ae5-693309afa113-3
00:42:50.325 --> 00:42:53.910
feedback on, on what a
definition should like, look

14354ea5-6032-491c-8ae5-693309afa113-4
00:42:53.910 --> 00:42:58.115
like, because it really needs to
also the current definition

14354ea5-6032-491c-8ae5-693309afa113-5
00:42:58.115 --> 00:43:01.080
doesn't have anything about
liquids in it.

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00:43:01.080 --> 00:43:06.785
We really need to add that and
we just, it's going to take a

955d5082-6596-41ac-a440-0fb7c84e10d9-1
00:43:06.785 --> 00:43:07.440
minute.

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00:43:07.680 --> 00:43:11.572
So I, I don't have a list of HTS
codes that will be part of of

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00:43:11.572 --> 00:43:13.240
phase eight that I know of.

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00:43:14.240 --> 00:43:18.386
I would say the no brainer stuff
you can expect paper, wood,

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00:43:18.386 --> 00:43:22.192
pulp, cardboard, things like
that will be part of phase

91611e6d-47ec-484b-8fb5-bfc2656adccf-2
00:43:22.192 --> 00:43:22.600
eight.

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00:43:22.840 --> 00:43:26.400
But again, I don't know specific
HTS codes.

9606acca-23c6-4e33-8fe1-a7f3e461af2b-0
00:43:30.560 --> 00:43:34.320
When will phase seven HTS codes
be released?

cb254afd-5438-4dcd-b67b-fedd2cf70ee6-0
00:43:34.320 --> 00:43:36.080
Will it be prior to December
1st?

713c62c4-574d-456d-8836-3e335d0b8779-0
00:43:37.240 --> 00:43:41.835
So the HTS codes were published
in the Federal Register on May

713c62c4-574d-456d-8836-3e335d0b8779-1
00:43:41.835 --> 00:43:42.200
31st.

c9eef4ce-3fee-415e-a11c-be0fc73d86a0-0
00:43:42.800 --> 00:43:44.160
So they are already out there.

c36448b4-fe7d-4612-949e-380c38142b67-0
00:43:44.760 --> 00:43:45.880
You can look at them.

166dc2fb-cf73-4877-906f-fbd7ba827a3c-0
00:43:46.560 --> 00:43:49.806
In September, we put out another
stakeholder registry

166dc2fb-cf73-4877-906f-fbd7ba827a3c-1
00:43:49.806 --> 00:43:53.653
announcement that just it gave
not only the one code that we're

166dc2fb-cf73-4877-906f-fbd7ba827a3c-2
00:43:53.653 --> 00:43:57.319
not going to enforce, which is
the essential oil of vetiver.

5d72f592-ba91-4530-b322-f2534347e8c9-0
00:43:57.960 --> 00:44:01.570
And then it gave the three
furniture codes that we missed

5d72f592-ba91-4530-b322-f2534347e8c9-1
00:44:01.570 --> 00:44:04.995
that will come out in the
Federal Register notice at a

5d72f592-ba91-4530-b322-f2534347e8c9-2
00:44:04.995 --> 00:44:05.679
later date.

d0bd1c5e-6b0b-4299-92ca-19aa5e50e276-0
00:44:06.200 --> 00:44:10.596
But those were all published in
May of this year and they will

d0bd1c5e-6b0b-4299-92ca-19aa5e50e276-1
00:44:10.596 --> 00:44:12.760
be implemented on December 1st.

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00:44:18.660 --> 00:44:23.055
OK, so right on time, which
three Chapter 94 codes will be

52cf2001-42fd-495e-b415-60d917a59f80-1
00:44:23.055 --> 00:44:26.780
added later, I don't know off
the top of my head.

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00:44:26.900 --> 00:44:31.437
If you go to that stakeholder
registry notice from September,

20683f31-1dac-4484-b016-7abdcb7c42f1-1
00:44:31.437 --> 00:44:33.340
they will be listed there.

2b16bdb8-4ab4-4fe6-83b5-c7c75e1fe1d3-0
00:44:33.340 --> 00:44:36.580
But I I don't know them off the
top of my head.

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00:44:39.640 --> 00:44:41.080
OK, the next one is.

b16536ba-cf1a-4a47-bd98-eedaa77c0158-0
00:44:41.560 --> 00:44:45.768
So if Vennifer essential oil is
exempt to from declaration

b16536ba-cf1a-4a47-bd98-eedaa77c0158-1
00:44:45.768 --> 00:44:50.120
requirements due to it's being a
common cultivar, what about

b16536ba-cf1a-4a47-bd98-eedaa77c0158-2
00:44:50.120 --> 00:44:54.542
other essential oils that also
fall under the common cultivar

b16536ba-cf1a-4a47-bd98-eedaa77c0158-3
00:44:54.542 --> 00:44:58.822
definition but are included in
the essential oils HTS codes

b16536ba-cf1a-4a47-bd98-eedaa77c0158-4
00:44:58.822 --> 00:45:02.960
requirement, import declaration,
declaration requirement.

88c28ee2-191b-4ec7-b513-e15a4e1e2d34-0
00:45:04.000 --> 00:45:07.341
I think we actually already
heard this one, but do you want

88c28ee2-191b-4ec7-b513-e15a4e1e2d34-1
00:45:07.341 --> 00:45:08.400
to answer it again?

c4c1e793-52cb-4d07-bb54-0a7b796988fa-0
00:45:09.280 --> 00:45:13.127
So, so we've only really added
so far, there are three that

c4c1e793-52cb-4d07-bb54-0a7b796988fa-1
00:45:13.127 --> 00:45:17.231
require declaration and that's
cedar wood, sandalwood, and rose

c4c1e793-52cb-4d07-bb54-0a7b796988fa-2
00:45:17.231 --> 00:45:17.680
Dubois.

ab2f4e64-4af4-40b8-9f52-f2bfba3b8ebb-0
00:45:17.680 --> 00:45:20.840
All of those are are essential
oils made out of wood.

96e9daa8-27f1-4d51-9088-6c0ef1bc482b-0
00:45:21.960 --> 00:45:25.928
And what we really did is we
tried to really, we went through

96e9daa8-27f1-4d51-9088-6c0ef1bc482b-1
00:45:25.928 --> 00:45:29.832
the essential oil list and we
only targeted the ones that we

96e9daa8-27f1-4d51-9088-6c0ef1bc482b-2
00:45:29.832 --> 00:45:33.736
felt were not common cultivars
or that contained things that

96e9daa8-27f1-4d51-9088-6c0ef1bc482b-3
00:45:33.736 --> 00:45:35.400
were not common cultivars.

f98b956c-9518-436b-ac89-c32c8147ace6-0
00:45:35.400 --> 00:45:39.713
So we only picked out ones that
we felt and I don't remember the

f98b956c-9518-436b-ac89-c32c8147ace6-1
00:45:39.713 --> 00:45:43.761
ones we picked out off the top
of my head, but I do remember

f98b956c-9518-436b-ac89-c32c8147ace6-2
00:45:43.761 --> 00:45:47.875
that we have the the other other
category for essential oils,

f98b956c-9518-436b-ac89-c32c8147ace6-3
00:45:47.875 --> 00:45:52.056
which is kind of their catch all
category for anything that's,

f98b956c-9518-436b-ac89-c32c8147ace6-4
00:45:52.056 --> 00:45:55.640
you know, not previously listed
in the HTS code list.

2e501b02-64ce-45be-9fcc-996bff522d12-0
00:45:55.640 --> 00:45:57.000
It's everything else, it's
there.

73d19fef-5fb8-4679-b0fb-a6b4658d2f63-0
00:45:57.000 --> 00:45:58.920
You know, there are other other
category.

75b03566-eaab-4c07-bcca-1978ae726225-0
00:45:59.720 --> 00:46:02.857
In that case, there may be
things that you're bringing in

75b03566-eaab-4c07-bcca-1978ae726225-1
00:46:02.857 --> 00:46:05.995
under other other that are
common cultivars and there may

75b03566-eaab-4c07-bcca-1978ae726225-2
00:46:05.995 --> 00:46:07.239
be things that are not.

9c2db641-c9cc-4fdb-a10b-7ae736711ee7-0
00:46:07.880 --> 00:46:12.213
So you want to check that common
cultivar list and you and reach

9c2db641-c9cc-4fdb-a10b-7ae736711ee7-1
00:46:12.213 --> 00:46:16.280
out to us to find out whether
it's a common cultivar or not.

87b69140-ad54-4b09-9d9e-5588b38f4f62-0
00:46:16.560 --> 00:46:20.389
If it's not a common cultivar
and it's under the HTS code

87b69140-ad54-4b09-9d9e-5588b38f4f62-1
00:46:20.389 --> 00:46:23.360
other other, you will require a
declaration.

cb613237-0691-49a6-b37d-1e05c86c3f60-0
00:46:27.000 --> 00:46:31.237
OK, if I am importing a garment
with wooden buttons that is

cb613237-0691-49a6-b37d-1e05c86c3f60-1
00:46:31.237 --> 00:46:35.474
meeting both the 5% and 2.9
kilogram de minimis rolls, I do

cb613237-0691-49a6-b37d-1e05c86c3f60-2
00:46:35.474 --> 00:46:37.240
not need the declaration.

4b726185-d545-4026-913b-7f8b064d1bdb-0
00:46:37.240 --> 00:46:41.217
What if the shipment covers 1000
garments and the weight of the

4b726185-d545-4026-913b-7f8b064d1bdb-1
00:46:41.217 --> 00:46:44.200
buttons is now over 2.9
kilograms per HGS line?

242bfe8d-f7bf-4be1-95b3-c0429109c007-0
00:46:44.200 --> 00:46:46.040
Do I need a lasiak declaration?

fc4a08f7-f4c8-4697-94b2-b20147e755d0-0
00:46:46.040 --> 00:46:46.440
Now?

c648c96f-4d33-4c2a-8f50-a3968d9e323f-0
00:46:47.520 --> 00:46:51.045
If you want to ship in more than
2.9 kilograms in one shipment,

c648c96f-4d33-4c2a-8f50-a3968d9e323f-1
00:46:51.045 --> 00:46:53.800
then yes, you would require a
lasiak declaration.

c2ff3b32-a48c-4d27-a75d-a3b31fae1620-0
00:46:54.160 --> 00:46:56.080
If you wanted to break up that
shipment.

f6eeca9a-f48f-4775-8ece-d9623bb87ea2-0
00:46:56.200 --> 00:46:59.825
It's a smaller shipment so that
each shipment is under 2.9

f6eeca9a-f48f-4775-8ece-d9623bb87ea2-1
00:46:59.825 --> 00:47:00.440
kilograms.

2983a0ec-7fbc-4b38-a61e-3b19fa429f38-0
00:47:00.800 --> 00:47:04.072
You could do that, and in that
case you would not require a

2983a0ec-7fbc-4b38-a61e-3b19fa429f38-1
00:47:04.072 --> 00:47:07.563
Lacey Act declaration because it
would fit under the de minimis

2983a0ec-7fbc-4b38-a61e-3b19fa429f38-2
00:47:07.563 --> 00:47:08.600
criteria for Lacey.

ed27af1e-2f25-41ca-9e38-e7fd5cf063f8-0
00:47:12.480 --> 00:47:16.464
What happens if we have to ship
wooden chairs to a trade show

ed27af1e-2f25-41ca-9e38-e7fd5cf063f8-1
00:47:16.464 --> 00:47:18.200
and we bought them at IKEA?

5e850277-04b5-4955-b1d3-6c740fe109c7-0
00:47:18.720 --> 00:47:21.080
How do we find out the info for
that wood?

43a28182-043c-4a8d-90ad-336319e636ba-0
00:47:26.450 --> 00:47:28.490
Is it a formal shipment or
informal?

839d2e60-5161-4850-baf7-e0729ea47aa0-0
00:47:28.490 --> 00:47:33.635
That's what I would ask is it,
you know, if it's an informal

839d2e60-5161-4850-baf7-e0729ea47aa0-1
00:47:33.635 --> 00:47:38.360
shipment, you wouldn't require a
Lacey Act declaration.

8c7c8c28-4c49-40a9-ad1a-362158e1b4b2-0
00:47:38.720 --> 00:47:42.960
So I would check first to find
out whether it's a Lacey Act.

31c6ddf1-7b2d-49b4-853e-63c8114d0188-0
00:47:43.440 --> 00:47:48.686
If it, you know, if you're
bringing it in to sell and it's

31c6ddf1-7b2d-49b4-853e-63c8114d0188-1
00:47:48.686 --> 00:47:54.020
over 250 or $2500, then it's
normally an, A formal shipment

31c6ddf1-7b2d-49b4-853e-63c8114d0188-2
00:47:54.020 --> 00:47:58.200
and you would require a Lacey
Act declaration.

f452d07d-d3b2-4c66-9314-08c84d5dbcd3-0
00:47:59.600 --> 00:48:03.571
If you're not bringing it in to
sell and it's under that, that's

f452d07d-d3b2-4c66-9314-08c84d5dbcd3-1
00:48:03.571 --> 00:48:05.160
usually our rule of thumb.

ea2b3ea1-b991-4b26-86cf-2e63e5b99f55-0
00:48:05.800 --> 00:48:06.880
It's for a trade show.

221950d7-984d-4c19-a025-dc0971792f88-0
00:48:07.880 --> 00:48:11.660
Again, if, if you're selling
those chairs, then that's, that

221950d7-984d-4c19-a025-dc0971792f88-1
00:48:11.660 --> 00:48:13.520
would be a formal declaration.

db6f161c-c63f-4a4a-ae32-8ceea745b3fd-0
00:48:13.520 --> 00:48:16.440
So you would need a, I mean a, a
formal entry.

e798193e-1cec-4a42-88d5-cdc2f34f4cae-0
00:48:16.600 --> 00:48:18.962
I would just check to see if
you're having, if you're

e798193e-1cec-4a42-88d5-cdc2f34f4cae-1
00:48:18.962 --> 00:48:20.800
bringing it in under, you're not
selling.

1fe7f4d3-c630-40df-8c66-abeda7d2c16a-0
00:48:21.480 --> 00:48:24.880
So check with CBP to find out if
that's a formal or informal.

95da1a1b-5d2a-4ed5-8370-05de9c5d9a83-0
00:48:25.360 --> 00:48:29.158
If it's an informal shipment,
you don't, we don't require a

95da1a1b-5d2a-4ed5-8370-05de9c5d9a83-1
00:48:29.158 --> 00:48:32.957
Lacey Act declaration, so we
wouldn't need that species and

95da1a1b-5d2a-4ed5-8370-05de9c5d9a83-2
00:48:32.957 --> 00:48:34.920
country of harvest information.

26f79b51-9b17-4d6a-a764-ffcd689726e7-0
00:48:36.000 --> 00:48:39.834
But if you bought it from IKEA,
usually you have that

26f79b51-9b17-4d6a-a764-ffcd689726e7-1
00:48:39.834 --> 00:48:44.520
information with the sales slip,
with the information in the box.

eae2c8d2-c635-423d-b956-099d4aee90ae-0
00:48:47.920 --> 00:48:52.160
OK, how, how do we handle
blended essential oils?

bac4f862-706c-4f43-bc03-88c638f24b70-0
00:48:52.160 --> 00:48:55.554
Do we only declare those plant
species that are above the de

bac4f862-706c-4f43-bc03-88c638f24b70-1
00:48:55.554 --> 00:48:56.000
minimis?

d9a2e055-07a2-4af4-a638-ea8dbc5ad28a-0
00:48:57.520 --> 00:49:00.681
So if you're bringing in
essential oils, look at the

d9a2e055-07a2-4af4-a638-ea8dbc5ad28a-1
00:49:00.681 --> 00:49:04.440
Chapter 33 essential oils list
that we that we have currently.

3b09b10e-f20d-43a8-a659-238ccc559dff-0
00:49:04.440 --> 00:49:07.531
We have three of them and then
we'll be adding more as part of

3b09b10e-f20d-43a8-a659-238ccc559dff-1
00:49:07.531 --> 00:49:08.120
phase seven.

1a1aec4b-4aa8-4b62-a9d9-d6b3d5a9b53b-0
00:49:08.400 --> 00:49:14.177
If you're bringing, if any of
those are flagged for Lacey,

1a1aec4b-4aa8-4b62-a9d9-d6b3d5a9b53b-1
00:49:14.177 --> 00:49:19.760
most of them are individual
species or individual genus.

44759243-c2f2-41c4-9240-b597a83f1315-0
00:49:19.880 --> 00:49:24.122
So if you're bringing them in
under those HTS codes, then yes,

44759243-c2f2-41c4-9240-b597a83f1315-1
00:49:24.122 --> 00:49:27.960
you need it doesn't, it doesn't
matter about de minimis.

deaf65c2-095f-4cbf-9a71-f879786ea9db-0
00:49:28.320 --> 00:49:32.916
You're it's the entire product
that you're bringing in, 100% of

deaf65c2-095f-4cbf-9a71-f879786ea9db-1
00:49:32.916 --> 00:49:35.000
the product is plant product.

7151677f-35d1-464d-aa39-a7f1d27665ae-0
00:49:35.640 --> 00:49:40.024
So even if you're bringing in
only 2 kilograms of essential

7151677f-35d1-464d-aa39-a7f1d27665ae-1
00:49:40.024 --> 00:49:44.336
oil, that's sandalwood, the
entire product to that is 100%

7151677f-35d1-464d-aa39-a7f1d27665ae-2
00:49:44.336 --> 00:49:45.360
plant product.

0ed25c1d-2c43-4929-9511-b310e6dbe4db-0
00:49:45.960 --> 00:49:48.520
So it's not going to be de
minimis at all.

5d350583-be0a-41ab-a3a7-ae71d6fb63de-0
00:49:49.200 --> 00:49:52.620
So what I would do is I would
look at the HTS code list that

5d350583-be0a-41ab-a3a7-ae71d6fb63de-1
00:49:52.620 --> 00:49:55.760
are currently require a
declaration for essential oils.

67c86d4f-17ad-4215-b679-8d42627419e7-0
00:49:55.960 --> 00:49:59.160
Look at the future ones that
happen in December 1st.

25bafb9e-0ecb-4fcc-90f5-4435d4dd880e-0
00:50:00.000 --> 00:50:05.280
If if it is in the other other
category and it's not a common

25bafb9e-0ecb-4fcc-90f5-4435d4dd880e-1
00:50:05.280 --> 00:50:09.880
cultivar or common food crop,
you need a declaration.

f51b45be-744b-4280-8c1c-9480889af290-0
00:50:10.560 --> 00:50:15.383
If it is a common food crop or a
common cultivar under the other

f51b45be-744b-4280-8c1c-9480889af290-1
00:50:15.383 --> 00:50:19.909
other HTS code for essential
oils, then you would not need a

f51b45be-744b-4280-8c1c-9480889af290-2
00:50:19.909 --> 00:50:20.800
declaration.

07548bc2-3196-4ba3-9715-0548285fc198-0
00:50:25.440 --> 00:50:28.978
Are cork stoppers that are used
in packaging for alcohol

07548bc2-3196-4ba3-9715-0548285fc198-1
00:50:28.978 --> 00:50:31.400
products exempt as packaging
material?

d97dec78-d11d-4193-a654-b649c9e64ea5-0
00:50:32.600 --> 00:50:33.320
Good question.

7c2cbd68-aa83-4dd7-b33f-27d30747fac4-0
00:50:33.600 --> 00:50:37.861
So if you're bringing in the
corks to bottle here in the US,

7c2cbd68-aa83-4dd7-b33f-27d30747fac4-1
00:50:37.861 --> 00:50:42.192
the corks themselves require a
Lasiak declaration or any cork

7c2cbd68-aa83-4dd7-b33f-27d30747fac4-2
00:50:42.192 --> 00:50:46.453
material that is coming in and
it's the cork, it's under the

7c2cbd68-aa83-4dd7-b33f-27d30747fac4-3
00:50:46.453 --> 00:50:48.200
HTS code for cork itself.

4c377666-11a0-48a9-9512-b6eaea05a551-0
00:50:48.200 --> 00:50:49.720
It requires a declaration.

75426916-ba9a-43ff-a0cf-13761d1eefb4-0
00:50:50.680 --> 00:50:55.182
If it's you have a bottled
product like say bottled beer,

75426916-ba9a-43ff-a0cf-13761d1eefb4-1
00:50:55.182 --> 00:51:00.072
alcohol, you know wine, anything
like that, olive oil and it's

75426916-ba9a-43ff-a0cf-13761d1eefb4-2
00:51:00.072 --> 00:51:05.040
bottled with a cork, then that
cork is wood packaging material.

5eac6d15-3b78-4622-8fbc-3b712b0f9c92-0
00:51:05.400 --> 00:51:09.611
I do not need a Lacey Act
declaration because it's being

5eac6d15-3b78-4622-8fbc-3b712b0f9c92-1
00:51:09.611 --> 00:51:12.640
used to package and hold the
product in.

b26e1d12-995d-4923-87ed-55d1ebdbd0d4-0
00:51:18.140 --> 00:51:22.545
OK my my broker has me fill out
the Lacey Act form and they file

b26e1d12-995d-4923-87ed-55d1ebdbd0d4-1
00:51:22.545 --> 00:51:23.020
an ACE.

b74f92d9-1d78-4b13-ba67-c781d8ecce72-0
00:51:23.060 --> 00:51:26.516
Am I required to mail in the
physical copy of the form even

b74f92d9-1d78-4b13-ba67-c781d8ecce72-1
00:51:26.516 --> 00:51:28.820
though they file with the entry
in ACE?

f8ed1179-5bf1-4981-8ea9-52bbec7988c8-0
00:51:29.700 --> 00:51:30.260
No.

eb09dfec-ef47-4532-8974-fb03e4051cb0-0
00:51:30.300 --> 00:51:31.340
And please don't.

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00:51:33.800 --> 00:51:35.360
Please do not fill out the fit.

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Yeah, don't, don't, don't do
that because then we'll be

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drowning in paper.

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I also want to point out that
currently we do have a paper

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declaration, but that will be
going away in 2025 to align

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ourselves with the single window
electronic window for trade.

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So there'll be more information
coming out this year, but we

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will be doing away with the
paper declaration all together

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in 2025.

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And then you will have to only
the only choices to file would

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be logs or ACE.

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OK.

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Sorry, I'm trying to interpret
this question.

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Will, will rubber wood products
require Laceyac declaration?

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I'm not sure if they mean rubber
wood like Java or if they mean

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rubber wood composite products.

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Yeah, we haven't.

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So if it's, if it's the wood
itself, then then yes, it's not

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a composite product because
it's, it's a piece of wood.

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And even if it's rubber wood,
it's still a piece of wood.

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So it would, it would require a
declaration when we get to the

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rubber itself and products that
are made out of rubber or made

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out of the natural latex, that
is going to be phase 8.

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And that's what we need time to
figure out.

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We're not there yet.

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Yeah, rubber latex gloves.

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I don't know how far down the
the chain we're going to go, the

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processing manufacturing chain
we're going to go to target HTS

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codes for the Lacey Act
declaration.

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So that is is some mental
gymnastics we need to do in the

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next couple years and figure
that out.

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And we'll be reaching out to
industry to help us do that

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because that is is is beyond my
bandwidth today.

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So, OK, we're almost at the top
of the hour.

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So just one more question.

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Will any of these declarations
be necessary for exports?

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No, the Lacey Act declaration is
only for imports, not for

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exports.

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OK, that was amazing.

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Thank you so much.

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And for the questions that we
didn't get to which it looks

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like there are many, many, many
questions we didn't get to

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remember.

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lacey.act.declaration@usda.gov.

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Yeah.

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And we'll be, we'll answer your
questions the best that we can.

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And I really appreciate everyone
taking their time out of their

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day today to come listen to me
talk about Lacey.

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So thank you very much.

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This concludes our webinar for
this afternoon.

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This is a reminder that this
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