WEBVTT 00:00:14.565 --> 00:00:15.565 DUVALL, LAUREL OK. 00:00:16.352 --> 00:00:18.373 DUVALL, LAUREL It's about 2:00 o'clock. 00:00:19.333 --> 00:00:24.167 DUVALL, LAUREL Let's give it one more minute or so and let people filter in. 00:01:13.837 --> 00:01:16.334 DUVALL, LAUREL OK, let's get started. 00:02:01.013 --> 00:02:04.757 DUVALL, LAUREL The people of Willamina, Oregon, 00:02:04.758 --> 00:02:06.592 had the presence of mind 00:02:06.593 --> 00:02:12.833 and sense of humor to plant all of these trees in such a way that 00:02:12.833 --> 00:02:16.433 when fall hits in the leaves change color, there's a giant :) 00:02:16.433 --> 00:02:18.367 on the side of a hill. 00:02:18.367 --> 00:02:26.833 So my my eternal love to the people of willamina George or Willamina Oregon. 00:02:29.011 --> 00:02:31.233 DUVALL, LAUREL Awesome, awesome wood state. 00:02:33.099 --> 00:02:37.099 DUVALL, LAUREL OK, so the same disclaimer as always. 00:02:37.100 --> 00:02:42.567 Ohh let me let me first start off by saying you know we'll be talking 00:02:42.567 --> 00:02:44.567 about a lot of different stuff today. 00:02:44.567 --> 00:02:47.900 If you have questions, you may either raise your hand 00:02:47.900 --> 00:02:50.967 or you may put your question in the chat box. 00:02:50.967 --> 00:02:53.967 The chat moves fairly quickly, so. 00:02:53.967 --> 00:02:59.633 DUVALL, LAUREL Or one of our webmasters, Mariam Destra, is going 00:02:59.633 --> 00:03:02.033 to be watching the chat and looking for your questions in there. 00:03:02.033 --> 00:03:07.367 It's it's difficult for me to look at the presentation and at the chat 00:03:07.367 --> 00:03:11.367 at the same time I you know, can't walk and breathe at the same time either. 00:03:11.367 --> 00:03:15.233 So you know, please, Please be patient with us as we try to get 00:03:15.233 --> 00:03:16.100 to your questions. 00:03:16.100 --> 00:03:23.567 DUVALL, LAUREL The disclaimer that we always have is basically that. 00:03:23.567 --> 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OK, So what do all of these things have in common? 00:04:35.080 --> 00:04:43.200 A desert, sawdust, cracked mud bones, and you and maybe dating myself. 00:04:43.200 --> 00:04:46.730 But how about that shredded wheat biscuit there? 00:04:46.730 --> 00:04:47.910 And the tariffs schedule. 00:06:19.046 --> 00:06:23.231 DUVALL, LAUREL As you see here on the right, this is, you know, 00:06:23.231 --> 00:06:28.167 a general picture of what you know, you're tariff schedule pages look like 00:06:28.167 --> 00:06:32.567 and you know in in this presentation, you're gonna hear me say things 00:06:32.567 --> 00:06:36.433 like tariff instead of harmonized tariff schedule or HTS. 00:06:36.433 --> 00:06:40.900 And that's simply laziness because harmonized tariff schedule 00:06:40.900 --> 00:06:43.967 of the United States is just too many syllables for me to deal with. 00:06:43.967 --> 00:06:47.833 So if I say the tariff or the tariff schedule or something like that, 00:06:47.833 --> 00:06:50.167 I keep talking about the same thing. 00:06:50.167 --> 00:06:53.900 DUVALL, LAUREL Very important right here, 00:06:53.900 --> 00:06:58.933 this this webaddresshttps.usitc.gov/current is 00:06:58.933 --> 00:07:03.600 where you will find the most up-to-date tariff schedule, 00:07:03.600 --> 00:07:05.600 and I use that every day. 00:07:05.600 --> 00:07:09.833 So I'm not saying you have to use it everyday, but let me just say 00:07:09.833 --> 00:07:12.100 that's like the best place to go. 00:07:12.100 --> 00:07:15.367 You know, you will pull up whatever is, you know, 00:07:15.367 --> 00:07:17.500 what is current absolutely today. 00:07:17.500 --> 00:07:21.300 So if it changed yesterday, today you're gonna find the the up to date. 00:07:21.300 --> 00:07:22.287 DUVALL, LAUREL Version at that web address. 00:07:23.700 --> 00:07:24.900 DUVALL, LAUREL OK. 00:07:24.900 --> 00:07:28.167 So when we say harmonized tariff schedule, what do we mean by harmonized? 00:07:28.167 --> 00:07:32.967 DUVALL, LAUREL As a requirement of of being a member 00:07:32.967 --> 00:07:36.100 of the World Trade Organization, one of the things that a country has 00:07:36.100 --> 00:07:40.300 to agree to is using the harmonized system to classify imports. 00:07:40.300 --> 00:07:47.100 DUVALL, LAUREL And so each country to some degree uses the same language 00:07:47.100 --> 00:07:48.367 and the same. 00:07:48.367 --> 00:07:50.833 DUVALL, LAUREL A tariff codes, right? 00:07:50.833 --> 00:07:56.033 So when they say harmonized and that happens to be to 6 digits 00:07:56.033 --> 00:08:00.060 and so when they say harmonize, it means that basically all countries 00:08:00.060 --> 00:08:01.467 are doing exactly the same thing. 00:08:01.467 --> 00:08:03.893 They've got the same language, they've got the same codes, 00:08:03.893 --> 00:08:07.167 and everybody should be classifying things the same way. 00:08:07.167 --> 00:08:13.767 DUVALL, LAUREL What individual countries do with their tariff schedules 00:08:13.767 --> 00:08:17.167 after those first 6 digits, where everything's the same is up to them. 00:08:17.167 --> 00:08:21.367 You know the the harmonized tariff schedule 00:08:21.367 --> 00:08:23.767 of the United States is over 7 inches thick. 00:08:23.767 --> 00:08:25.833 It has a bazillion classifications. 00:08:25.833 --> 00:08:28.433 It has a special trade programs. 00:08:28.433 --> 00:08:31.767 It has miscellaneous trade bills. 00:08:31.767 --> 00:08:34.367 It has all kinds of stuff going on in it. 00:08:34.367 --> 00:08:38.300 So ours is our tariffs schedule is really developed. 00:08:38.300 --> 00:08:40.433 Granted, it's been. 00:08:40.433 --> 00:08:46.900 DUVALL, LAUREL Maybe 25 years since I I did go to Moldova many years ago 00:08:46.900 --> 00:08:51.900 and I I was very tickled by their tariff schedule because it was teeny, 00:08:51.900 --> 00:08:54.300 tiny and maybe an inch thick at most. 00:08:54.300 --> 00:09:00.367 So some tariff schedules just have those 6 digits that are agreed to at the 00:09:00.367 --> 00:09:02.167 at the international level. 00:09:02.167 --> 00:09:05.167 But you know, country is allowed to do what they want to 00:09:05.167 --> 00:09:08.300 with the tariff schedule other, you know different from those. 00:09:08.300 --> 00:09:13.700 DUVALL, LAUREL Those those shared the shared language and shared codes. 00:09:13.700 --> 00:09:15.700 DUVALL, LAUREL Umm. 00:09:15.700 --> 00:09:19.300 DUVALL, LAUREL The the tariff schedule is a living document. 00:09:19.300 --> 00:09:22.167 Some of you may realize it. 00:09:22.167 --> 00:09:27.033 Some of you may not, but the the the tariff schedule changes constantly. 00:09:27.033 --> 00:09:34.767 OK, here on the right, you can see this is a page from the US ITC website 00:09:34.767 --> 00:09:40.233 and you can see that just in 2022, there were 16 different revision versions 00:09:40.233 --> 00:09:42.833 of the tariff schedule. 00:09:42.833 --> 00:09:46.167 You know, usually you wanna look at the most up to date, 00:09:46.167 --> 00:09:48.300 but sometimes you have to go back and look at a different revision. 00:09:48.300 --> 00:09:52.167 DUVALL, LAUREL So, Umm and in 2020 there were 29 revisions, 00:09:52.167 --> 00:09:58.209 so there are new there are new versions of the tariff schedule out all the time. 00:09:58.232 --> 00:10:01.632 The major revisions are in January and July. 00:10:01.633 --> 00:10:04.633 If you've been around for a really long time like me, you'll remember 00:10:04.633 --> 00:10:10.433 when you'd get a white version in a white paper version in January 00:10:10.433 --> 00:10:13.967 and then you get a Green Paper version in July and you'd have 00:10:13.967 --> 00:10:19.233 to put all the green pages into your into your white tariff schedule. 00:10:19.233 --> 00:10:20.633 DUVALL, LAUREL To show the updates. 00:10:20.633 --> 00:10:24.300 DUVALL, LAUREL Yeah, and that old. 00:10:24.300 --> 00:10:28.367 DUVALL, LAUREL OK, so there are two kinds of changes in the tariff schedule. 00:10:28.367 --> 00:10:31.300 There are international, international and domestic changes. 00:10:31.300 --> 00:10:36.033 DUVALL, LAUREL The international changes happen every five years 00:10:36.033 --> 00:10:39.967 in years ending in a two or seven 2022. 00:10:39.967 --> 00:10:43.967 This year is one of those years, and that has, you know, a lot to do with 00:10:43.967 --> 00:10:46.633 why we have so many changes to the tariff schedule. 00:10:46.633 --> 00:10:50.300 DUVALL, LAUREL On the international changes are issued 00:10:50.300 --> 00:10:55.167 by the World Customs Organization and are the result of input 00:10:55.167 --> 00:10:57.300 from those WTO member nations. 00:10:57.300 --> 00:11:04.633 So lot of people get involved with these with these tariff classifications and 00:11:04.633 --> 00:11:08.900 and how they present themselves and then domestic changes occur 00:11:08.900 --> 00:11:10.300 throughout the year. 00:11:10.300 --> 00:11:12.438 You know, a new version might have, you know, a tiny handful 00:11:12.438 --> 00:11:15.567 of new classifications peppered throughout the tariff schedule. 00:11:15.567 --> 00:11:17.900 But nonetheless they change. 00:11:17.900 --> 00:11:20.967 DUVALL, LAUREL And if you're not like keeping up with it, 00:11:20.967 --> 00:11:22.900 they'll take you by surprise. 00:11:24.656 --> 00:11:27.299 DUVALL, LAUREL OK, the International Trade Commission is the body 00:11:27.300 --> 00:11:33.433 that publishes the tariffs schedule and they incorporate all 00:11:33.433 --> 00:11:36.300 of the international and domestic changes into the tariff schedule 00:11:36.300 --> 00:11:39.567 and then they they published the document. 00:11:39.567 --> 00:11:42.967 So they work everything in so that it's a document that you can use. 00:11:42.967 --> 00:11:51.500 So you know to all of my friends at the ITC, I apologize and I love you so much. 00:11:51.500 --> 00:11:53.967 Thank you for everything you do. 00:11:53.967 --> 00:11:59.967 DUVALL, LAUREL OK, so here's here's a comment tariff code 00:11:59.967 --> 00:12:03.900 that you know you'll you'll see, especially if you work 00:12:03.900 --> 00:12:08.532 in Wood 4412 thirty three 3275, which is 00:12:08.566 --> 00:12:11.366 for unfinished Maple veneer core plywood. 00:12:11.367 --> 00:12:15.500 DUVALL, LAUREL You know those tented 10 digit codes, you know, separated 00:12:15.500 --> 00:12:20.033 by the the decimals, those are you know very common to all of us, 00:12:20.033 --> 00:12:22.367 but all of the numbers mean something. 00:12:22.367 --> 00:12:25.033 The 1st 2 digits are international. 00:12:25.033 --> 00:12:27.167 So they're the same in every country. 00:12:27.167 --> 00:12:30.233 44 is the chapter that the classification falls in. 00:12:30.233 --> 00:12:36.167 So first 2 digits are the chapter 4412, the 1st 4 digits are the heading. 00:12:36.167 --> 00:12:39.967 So if you hear us talk about the heading, the language that's associated 00:12:39.967 --> 00:12:42.100 with those first 4 digits. 00:12:42.100 --> 00:12:45.300 DUVALL, LAUREL That's the heading the international subheading 00:12:45.300 --> 00:12:48.833 is 4412.33 the 1st 6 digits. 00:12:48.833 --> 00:12:53.367 Those 6 digits are the same in every country of the member nations 00:12:53.367 --> 00:12:58.300 of the World Trade Organization, so that's gonna be the same no matter 00:12:58.300 --> 00:13:03.100 where you go, whether it's the United States or Moldova or Thailand 00:13:03.100 --> 00:13:06.567 or Australia, you know, no matter where you are, that language 00:13:06.567 --> 00:13:10.033 and that code are going to be the same. 00:13:10.033 --> 00:13:13.767 DUVALL, LAUREL And then what's left is up to the United States. 00:13:13.767 --> 00:13:22.033 the US subheading is 4412, thirty 3332, and the US statistical suffix is 4412. 00:13:22.033 --> 00:13:25.500 Thirty three point 3275 and. 00:13:25.500 --> 00:13:31.633 DUVALL, LAUREL That is, the whole number is referred to as a subheading. 00:13:35.700 --> 00:13:36.300 DUVALL, LAUREL OK. 00:13:36.300 --> 00:13:41.500 DUVALL, LAUREL So here we can see like an actual snippet from the 00:13:41.500 --> 00:13:45.099 from the tariff schedule where you can see you know here are the 00:13:45.100 --> 00:13:48.433 here are the the six digits that are the same in every country. 00:13:48.433 --> 00:13:55.900 4412 is is actually the code associated with this particular tariff number. 00:13:55.929 --> 00:13:59.232 This tariff language excuse me, plywood veneer panels 00:13:59.233 --> 00:14:03.167 and similar laminated wood everything goes by the language 00:14:03.167 --> 00:14:07.433 and then you associate the language to its appropriate code so. 00:14:07.433 --> 00:14:10.500 DUVALL, LAUREL 4412 and 4412 ten are the same 00:14:10.500 --> 00:14:14.767 in every country 4410 twelve 10:05 hundred. 00:14:14.767 --> 00:14:18.100 See those last four digits come into play. 00:14:18.100 --> 00:14:20.500 That's a United States tariff tariff code. 00:14:20.500 --> 00:14:25.700 DUVALL, LAUREL Incidentally, I've I've timed this presentation out. 00:14:25.700 --> 00:14:27.100 It comes to about an hour. 00:14:27.100 --> 00:14:30.633 There's a lot to talk about if we happen to go over, you know, 00:14:30.633 --> 00:14:34.233 I hope that you're, you know, willing to stick with us. 00:14:34.233 --> 00:14:36.100 If not, I completely understand. 00:14:36.100 --> 00:14:41.967 And you know, you know, thank you for for being here at all to begin with. 00:14:41.967 --> 00:14:45.300 DUVALL, LAUREL OK, what you may not realize, and I say this 00:14:45.300 --> 00:14:48.967 because I didn't even think about it until a couple of years ago, 00:14:48.967 --> 00:14:53.767 is that duties are determined at the 8 digit level and the tariff schedule. 00:14:53.767 --> 00:14:55.967 There are not set internationally. 00:14:55.968 --> 00:14:58.034 We don't have any. 00:36:33.361 --> 00:36:39.625 DUVALL, LAUREL And the the scientific name is is brahmam parina. 00:36:39.625 --> 00:36:43.798 DUVALL, LAUREL Purina Rytis which I should have picked something 00:36:43.798 --> 00:36:47.100 that was easier to pronounce and in Brazil it's called AMA padosi. 00:36:47.100 --> 00:36:48.967 OK. 00:36:53.700 --> 00:36:58.100 DUVALL, LAUREL OK, so what's the best way to get a subscription? 00:36:58.100 --> 00:36:59.500 You would have to. 00:36:59.500 --> 00:37:05.367 You would have to go to the to the website to sign up for it. 00:37:05.367 --> 00:37:15.136 So again the the web address is www.wccotradetools.org/EN/harmonized 00:37:15.136 --> 00:37:16.833 hyphen system. 00:37:19.900 --> 00:37:20.533 DUVALL, LAUREL OK. 00:37:20.533 --> 00:37:22.900 And thank you again so much for staying with me. 00:37:22.900 --> 00:37:28.300 I feel like it's moving kind of slowly, so tropical wood veneers last year 00:37:28.300 --> 00:37:33.300 we had only one breakout in the United States and that was 00:37:33.300 --> 00:37:37.767 for dark red meranti light, red meranti and mirante picao tropical veneers. 00:37:37.767 --> 00:37:43.767 And this year we've added some new different kinds of wood akujo, anigre, 00:37:43.767 --> 00:37:47.867 seba obeche outcome and sapelli. 00:37:47.881 --> 00:37:49.915 So if you see now. 00:37:50.212 --> 00:37:56.379 DUVALL, LAUREL A. A veneers that are that consist of these particular woods. 00:37:56.380 --> 00:37:59.367 Then you would now classify under these associated subheadings. 00:38:06.167 --> 00:38:07.157 DUVALL, LAUREL Umm. 00:38:08.167 --> 00:38:09.867 DUVALL, LAUREL Katie Jackson, you say? 00:38:09.867 --> 00:38:10.800 What breakout did they say? 00:38:10.800 --> 00:38:11.600 They had? 00:38:11.600 --> 00:38:12.633 My audio is cut. 00:38:12.633 --> 00:38:15.033 I'm not sure what you're referring to. 00:38:15.967 --> 00:38:18.967 DUVALL, LAUREL OK, wood moldings. 00:38:19.832 --> 00:38:24.266 DUVALL, LAUREL Just a quick a quick reminder of what would moldings are 00:38:24.267 --> 00:38:26.367 as far as the tariff schedule is concerned, 00:38:26.367 --> 00:38:30.833 goods of 4409 are only solid wood, 00:38:30.833 --> 00:38:34.433 not edge glued wood, not superimposed wood, not laminated wood. 00:38:34.433 --> 00:38:36.900 And the wood is continuously shaped. 00:38:36.900 --> 00:38:41.867 OK, so it can be in jointed like finger jointed or **** jointed 00:38:41.867 --> 00:38:43.300 to make it longer. 00:38:43.300 --> 00:38:47.633 But you can't glue pieces together in any other way 00:38:47.633 --> 00:38:52.367 and moldings are wood strips that are shaped to various contours. 00:38:52.367 --> 00:38:55.203 DUVALL, LAUREL And used for things like picture frames and decorations 00:38:55.204 --> 00:38:58.020 of walls and furniture and stuff like that. 00:38:58.020 --> 00:38:59.533 DUVALL, LAUREL Uh. 00:38:59.533 --> 00:39:01.167 DUVALL, LAUREL Uh. 00:39:02.567 --> 00:39:07.100 DUVALL, LAUREL The the common denominator with these two uses is 00:39:07.100 --> 00:39:10.367 that moldings are in part decorative. 00:39:10.367 --> 00:39:14.167 They may be functional like a like a picture frame molding, 00:39:14.167 --> 00:39:17.167 but they're visible when they're installed, 00:39:17.167 --> 00:39:19.567 so they're they're they're decorative 00:39:19.567 --> 00:39:20.567 to some extent. 00:39:20.567 --> 00:39:24.767 So let's say you have continuously shaped wood that isn't decorative 00:39:24.767 --> 00:39:28.433 to some extent, that's not gonna be a molding. 00:39:28.433 --> 00:39:30.500 So same thing here. 00:39:30.500 --> 00:39:33.767 Last year we had wood moldings and no different kinds 00:39:33.767 --> 00:39:35.233 of tropical wood classified. 00:39:35.233 --> 00:39:38.100 DUVALL, LAUREL And this year we have some moldings. 00:39:38.100 --> 00:39:44.233 DUVALL, LAUREL A using durian wood jelutong and obeche wood. 00:39:47.233 --> 00:39:49.777 DUVALL, LAUREL OK, so here's an example 00:39:49.778 --> 00:39:51.967 of continuously shaped wood in 4409. 00:39:51.967 --> 00:39:53.500 That's not a molding. 00:39:53.500 --> 00:39:56.100 This is a a door jam. 00:39:56.100 --> 00:40:00.633 And in this case the the wood is basically structural. 00:40:00.633 --> 00:40:05.167 It's not, it's not, you know, I mean it may be visible when it's 00:40:05.167 --> 00:40:08.233 when it's installed, but it's not there for decoration in any regard. 00:40:08.233 --> 00:40:13.167 So unless you just really love yourself a good door jam. 00:40:13.167 --> 00:40:16.967 DUVALL, LAUREL We do have some new tropical woods and here as well. 00:40:16.967 --> 00:40:21.233 DUVALL, LAUREL Cumaru, eBay caroling and padouk, 00:40:21.233 --> 00:40:25.967 and those all fall under 4409 twenty 290. 00:40:27.167 --> 00:40:30.033 DUVALL, LAUREL OK, these are again domestic changes. 00:40:30.033 --> 00:40:32.417 You can see you know these new designations 00:40:32.418 --> 00:40:34.367 are statistical subheading numbers. 00:40:36.167 --> 00:40:36.971 DUVALL, LAUREL Not OK. 00:40:36.971 --> 00:40:37.833 Uh. 00:40:37.833 --> 00:40:42.200 You know as well as I do this is when IKEA log cabin would look like. 00:40:42.200 --> 00:40:47.167 I just hope you have, you know, enough of your flurg in. 00:40:47.167 --> 00:40:51.433 DUVALL, LAUREL Uh screws to put it together. 00:40:51.433 --> 00:40:52.833 God help you. 00:40:52.833 --> 00:40:56.167 I'm so glad I'm old enough that I don't have to buy IKEA furniture anymore. 00:40:59.500 --> 00:41:01.700 DUVALL, LAUREL Laminated veneer lumber. 00:41:01.700 --> 00:41:03.233 Woo Hoo, yay. 00:41:04.833 --> 00:41:09.300 DUVALL, LAUREL Umm, maybe I'm the only one who's really happy about this, 00:41:09.300 --> 00:41:11.167 but there is. 00:41:11.167 --> 00:41:13.478 There are new international subheading specifically 00:41:13.479 --> 00:41:14.767 for laminated veneer lumber. 00:41:14.767 --> 00:41:17.100 They are finally part of the party. 00:41:17.100 --> 00:41:19.033 They got invited this time. 00:41:19.033 --> 00:41:24.233 DUVALL, LAUREL There are three breakouts 4412, forty one for 00:41:24.233 --> 00:41:28.967 at least one outer ply of tropical wood 4412, forty two with at least one 00:41:28.967 --> 00:41:35.300 out of ply of non coniferous wood, and 4412 forty 49 with both outer plies 00:41:35.300 --> 00:41:39.833 of coniferous wood, coniferous wood being trees that that. 00:41:39.833 --> 00:41:45.033 DUVALL, LAUREL Propagate by cones like pine cones, spruce cones, 00:41:45.033 --> 00:41:47.783 that kind of thing, and then non coniferous woods 00:41:47.784 --> 00:41:51.300 are are the other woods that, you know don't produce by cones. 00:41:51.300 --> 00:41:55.500 DUVALL, LAUREL I know here that laminated veneer lumber looks something 00:41:55.500 --> 00:41:57.100 like a layer cake. 00:41:57.100 --> 00:41:59.167 Please do not go out and try to eat it. 00:41:59.167 --> 00:42:01.233 It will hurt your dental work. 00:42:01.233 --> 00:42:04.167 DUVALL, LAUREL I know it looks good, but it is not OK. 00:42:04.167 --> 00:42:08.700 So now that we have laminated veneer lumber 00:42:08.700 --> 00:42:10.633 in the international tariffs schedule language. 00:42:10.633 --> 00:42:14.833 DUVALL, LAUREL We have to figure out what it is 00:42:14.833 --> 00:42:17.633 and there's actually new explanatory note that actually, you know, 00:42:17.633 --> 00:42:20.633 plainly defines what laminated veneer lumber is. 00:42:20.633 --> 00:42:25.567 It doesn't in a really long way, and you know, I was gonna read it to you, 00:42:25.567 --> 00:42:28.500 but I'm not gonna subject you to that. 00:42:28.500 --> 00:42:33.300 Basically, at the end of the day, you have many layers of wood veneers, 00:42:33.300 --> 00:42:36.567 the grains of each veneer run parallel. 00:42:36.567 --> 00:42:38.100 OK, that's really important. 00:42:38.100 --> 00:42:42.500 The veneers are bonded together under heat and pressure and. 00:42:42.500 --> 00:42:47.233 DUVALL, LAUREL The LVL is not designed to support the structural load 00:42:47.233 --> 00:42:48.233 of a building. 00:42:48.233 --> 00:42:49.333 OK it is. 00:42:49.333 --> 00:42:55.533 It is a building material, but in terms of like massive building products, 00:42:55.533 --> 00:42:56.400 it's not. 00:42:56.400 --> 00:42:57.567 It's not like that. 00:42:57.567 --> 00:43:01.833 DUVALL, LAUREL OK, so LVL you can see here. 00:43:01.833 --> 00:43:05.433 From this diagram the grains of the wood all run in the same direction 00:43:05.433 --> 00:43:09.233 and for plywood the grains run in. 00:43:09.233 --> 00:43:14.433 DUVALL, LAUREL Alternating directions so you can see lengthwise crosswise, 00:43:14.433 --> 00:43:17.033 lengthwise crosswise lengthwise. 00:43:17.033 --> 00:43:19.767 When you look at them, you can tell plywood 00:43:19.767 --> 00:43:23.367 because it's got this characteristic light and dark shading because of, 00:43:23.367 --> 00:43:26.300 you know, the light ones are cut along the grain 00:43:26.300 --> 00:43:29.700 and the the dark ones are the where the grain terminates. 00:43:29.700 --> 00:43:33.100 OK, so they have different appearances, so you get the striping, 00:43:33.100 --> 00:43:35.367 whereas the LVL you don't have that. 00:43:35.367 --> 00:43:36.767 OK, so. 00:43:39.702 --> 00:43:42.036 DUVALL, LAUREL I saw Miriam. 00:43:42.037 --> 00:43:43.467 Do you have a question? 00:43:43.467 --> 00:43:45.500 DUVALL, LAUREL That came up. 00:43:47.567 --> 00:43:50.033 DUVALL, LAUREL Let's see if I can question does. 00:43:50.033 --> 00:43:52.667 DESTRA, MIRIAM Yes, there was a question does why would go under LVL so? 00:43:52.667 --> 00:43:53.089 DUVALL, LAUREL 5. 00:43:53.089 --> 00:43:55.833 DUVALL, LAUREL OK, so no so. 00:43:55.833 --> 00:44:00.500 DUVALL, LAUREL The the heading is for plywood, veneered, 00:44:00.500 --> 00:44:03.367 veneered panels and similar laminated wood. 00:44:03.367 --> 00:44:06.433 Plywood is a very distinct product. 00:44:06.433 --> 00:44:09.700 DUVALL, LAUREL Plywood and LVL look a lot alike, 00:44:09.700 --> 00:44:13.233 but they are definitely different and they're completely different 00:44:13.233 --> 00:44:14.667 in terms of classification. 00:44:14.667 --> 00:44:22.367 Plywood is specifically plywood LVL is specifically of the neared panel. 00:44:22.367 --> 00:44:25.700 They look similar but they are not similar. 00:44:25.700 --> 00:44:28.433 They have different constructions and they construction lies 00:44:28.433 --> 00:44:32.233 in that that grain orientation. 00:44:32.233 --> 00:44:35.900 So LVL now has its own subheading. 00:44:35.900 --> 00:44:38.167 Everything is classified under LVL. 00:44:38.167 --> 00:44:40.567 DUVALL, LAUREL And then plywood is classified 00:44:40.567 --> 00:44:43.367 under existing subheading specifically for plywood. 00:44:43.367 --> 00:44:47.500 DUVALL, LAUREL Thank you, Mariam. 00:44:47.500 --> 00:44:54.833 DUVALL, LAUREL OK, so the the notes in the chapter allow for LVL 00:44:54.833 --> 00:45:00.967 to be classified in that that subheading 4412.4. 00:45:00.967 --> 00:45:04.900 DUVALL, LAUREL Even if certain things are done to it, so note 4 00:45:04.900 --> 00:45:06.633 to the chapter says that goods are 4412 can be shaped like goods 00:45:06.633 --> 00:45:11.033 of 4409 and remember 44 on 9 like the moldings, 00:45:11.033 --> 00:45:18.700 usually they have a continuous profile or they have a repeating profile. 00:45:18.700 --> 00:45:22.633 So if you in this case like this product right here, 00:45:22.633 --> 00:45:27.767 if you continuously shape LVL it's still classified as LVL 00:45:27.767 --> 00:45:30.700 in 4412 it doesn't become an article of a different heading. 00:45:30.700 --> 00:45:36.100 DUVALL, LAUREL And also additional US note 1C allows for surface covering, 00:45:36.100 --> 00:45:41.500 so that means you can apply anything from like a stain to like metal 00:45:41.500 --> 00:45:45.100 to the surface of LVL and it's still classifiable 00:45:45.100 --> 00:45:50.967 in 4412.4 this particular one here is LVL. 00:45:50.967 --> 00:45:55.567 That's been coded with Jesso which is a gypsum kind of paste. 00:45:55.567 --> 00:46:01.167 And every time I look at it, it looks like a candy bar that's covered 00:46:01.167 --> 00:46:02.300 with white chocolate. 00:46:02.300 --> 00:46:05.300 And like I suddenly wanna like make a run for 7:11. 00:46:05.300 --> 00:46:08.567 DUVALL, LAUREL Again, don't eat the LVL. 00:46:08.567 --> 00:46:09.633 It's not. 00:46:09.633 --> 00:46:10.433 It's not tasty. 00:46:10.433 --> 00:46:11.267 OK, bad for dental work. 00:46:11.267 --> 00:46:12.700 Very bad for teeth. 00:46:12.700 --> 00:46:15.100 DUVALL, LAUREL OK. 00:46:15.100 --> 00:46:19.567 The next one that changed Blackboard, Lamb and board and Batten board. 00:46:19.567 --> 00:46:24.900 Blackboard, you may know it as lumber core plywood. 00:46:24.900 --> 00:46:29.633 DUVALL, LAUREL We've had like, a massive change to the numbers, 00:46:29.633 --> 00:46:31.633 most of the language is the same. 00:46:31.633 --> 00:46:35.100 It's changed a little bit, but we used to be in 4412 ninety four 00:46:35.100 --> 00:46:39.433 and now it's 4412 fifty, 152 and 59. 00:46:39.433 --> 00:46:44.633 DUVALL, LAUREL And each one of these has its own breakouts. 00:46:44.633 --> 00:46:48.767 So 4412 fifty one is at least one outer ply of tropical wood, 00:46:48.767 --> 00:46:54.567 52 is at least one outer ply of non coniferous wood and 59 is 00:46:54.567 --> 00:46:57.300 with both outer plies of coniferous wood. 00:46:57.300 --> 00:47:03.100 So well, I'll show you in a second that there was a need for this to change 00:47:03.100 --> 00:47:05.433 to the 50s instead of the 90s. 00:47:05.433 --> 00:47:11.567 But just like with the other with some of the other things we've seen so far, 00:47:11.567 --> 00:47:15.033 there are breakouts for tropical, non coniferous and coniferous woods. 00:47:17.832 --> 00:47:22.966 DUVALL, LAUREL 4412.9 is where we've had a bunch of changes too, 00:47:22.967 --> 00:47:26.967 so remember blockboard used to be 4412 ninety four, 00:47:26.967 --> 00:47:32.167 but now we've got international subheadings 9192 and 99. 00:47:32.167 --> 00:47:37.567 So these are all new and they basically had to kick 94 out of the way. 00:47:37.567 --> 00:47:42.433 And so that's why it ended up in in 4412.5. 00:47:42.433 --> 00:47:48.700 So 91 is this, this is basically where veneered panels land. 00:47:48.700 --> 00:47:54.500 DUVALL, LAUREL 4440 Four 1291 is for one outer ply of tropical wood, 00:47:54.500 --> 00:47:59.567 4412 ninety two at least one outer ply of non coniferous wood, 00:47:59.567 --> 00:48:02.900 and 99 with both outer plies of coniferous wood. 00:48:02.900 --> 00:48:08.500 So if you have something like veneered fiberboard, that's gonna go in 00:48:08.500 --> 00:48:10.900 in this area, in the tariff schedule. 00:48:14.832 --> 00:48:21.132 DUVALL, LAUREL OK, I I had to include this because it just it cracks me up 00:48:21.133 --> 00:48:23.233 because like I said, I work in wood. 00:48:23.233 --> 00:48:27.233 I live in wood and every once in a blue moon I'm typing something 00:48:27.233 --> 00:48:31.700 and I type out wood WOULD and the amount of shame 00:48:31.700 --> 00:48:37.100 that comes over me is just amazing because it's just so embarrassing. 00:48:37.100 --> 00:48:43.367 But so keep your keep your woods keeps your woods, you know, 00:48:43.367 --> 00:48:45.433 distinct and separate. 00:48:46.700 --> 00:48:50.467 DUVALL, LAUREL OK, we've got a whole bunch of new classifications 00:48:50.467 --> 00:48:53.033 that have new breakouts for of tropical wood. 00:48:53.033 --> 00:48:56.967 Now remember Tropical Woods show up in in the annex, 00:48:56.967 --> 00:49:00.233 and the explanatory notes, so picture frames. 00:49:00.233 --> 00:49:03.500 DUVALL, LAUREL I don't actually do the. 00:49:03.500 --> 00:49:07.867 I don't work in the the consumer goods, but there's so much more fun 00:49:07.867 --> 00:49:08.967 than the building materials. 00:49:08.967 --> 00:49:11.367 So picture frames. 00:49:11.367 --> 00:49:16.500 Charlene Miller is the NIS who who specializes in these things, 00:49:16.500 --> 00:49:19.367 and she's been kind enough to let me talk about them. 00:49:19.367 --> 00:49:24.500 So picture frames of tropical wood will now be classified in 4444. 00:49:24.500 --> 00:49:25.933 Fourteen, 10. 00:49:25.933 --> 00:49:31.033 DUVALL, LAUREL Umm tableware has a new breakout for of tropical wood, 00:49:31.033 --> 00:49:35.433 so this would include things like cutting boards, plates, you know, 00:49:35.433 --> 00:49:39.433 chopsticks, you know, eating utensils, whatever you've got. 00:49:40.833 --> 00:49:45.433 DUVALL, LAUREL Windows, French, windows and Windows, French windows 00:49:45.433 --> 00:49:47.100 and their frames of tropical wood. 00:49:47.100 --> 00:49:48.767 That's now a new classification. 00:49:48.767 --> 00:49:51.100 And again all international. 00:49:51.100 --> 00:49:55.300 DUVALL, LAUREL You know, you may if you were around in 2017, 00:49:55.300 --> 00:50:00.167 you saw a whole bunch of changes to the tariff schedule then and in 2022. 00:50:00.167 --> 00:50:03.433 We also have a whole bunch of changes to to chapter 44 00:50:03.433 --> 00:50:08.100 and with with wood being such an important. 00:50:08.100 --> 00:50:12.473 DUVALL, LAUREL A environmental element, 00:50:12.474 --> 00:50:16.033 I think for a long for we're going 00:50:16.033 --> 00:50:18.900 to see a lot of changes to chapter 44 over time. 00:50:18.900 --> 00:50:19.900 It's gonna keep. 00:50:19.900 --> 00:50:23.167 It's gonna keep coming internationally and domestically, of course. 00:50:23.167 --> 00:50:28.833 But so of tropical wood is like one of our first steps into, you know, 00:50:28.833 --> 00:50:34.433 seeing a, you know, what kinds of woods are are being imported 00:50:34.433 --> 00:50:39.100 into various countries that, you know, are tropical in nature and. 00:50:45.529 --> 00:50:46.929 DUVALL, LAUREL Endangered woods. 00:50:46.929 --> 00:50:52.633 DUVALL, LAUREL So doors, doors are another one with a breakout for 00:50:52.633 --> 00:50:53.900 of tropical wood. 00:50:53.900 --> 00:50:59.433 DUVALL, LAUREL US would statuettes and ornaments now of tropical wood. 00:50:59.433 --> 00:51:02.900 DUVALL, LAUREL And again could be any one of those 450 00:51:02.900 --> 00:51:05.900 or so different kinds of voids in that that annex. 00:51:05.900 --> 00:51:11.567 DUVALL, LAUREL And this is not this is not my tropical wood friend, 00:51:11.567 --> 00:51:13.300 but I figured I'd share him with you. 00:51:14.967 --> 00:51:19.833 DUVALL, LAUREL OK, posts and beams, this has been an interesting one 00:51:19.833 --> 00:51:25.033 and I just want to explain to you that this is taken at least three years off 00:51:25.033 --> 00:51:31.100 of my life and if Suzanne Kingsbury has out there, Suzanne, I'm just so sorry. 00:51:31.100 --> 00:51:34.700 DUVALL, LAUREL It was wonderful working with you on this, but God, 00:51:34.700 --> 00:51:35.900 what a pain. 00:51:35.900 --> 00:51:42.833 DUVALL, LAUREL So the old terror classification, 4418 sixty was just 00:51:42.833 --> 00:51:47.433 for posts and beams and posts and beams are the heavy temper framework 00:51:47.433 --> 00:51:51.367 for buildings, so the vertical ones are the posts, the horizontal 00:51:51.367 --> 00:51:57.967 and the the the diagonal ones are beams so you know easy enough posts and beams. 00:51:57.967 --> 00:52:00.900 OK, well in the new tariff schedule, the language is changed. 00:52:00.900 --> 00:52:06.100 Posts and beams other than products of subheadings 44, eighteen, 00:52:06.100 --> 00:52:08.367 81 to 44 eighteen, 89. 00:52:08.367 --> 00:52:10.900 DUVALL, LAUREL These are all new subheadings 00:52:10.900 --> 00:52:12.433 that were added internationally, 00:52:12.433 --> 00:52:17.567 and they, you know, make up a significant portion of post and beam. 00:52:17.568 --> 00:52:20.968 So it's kind of interesting to see them show up in the tariff schedule now. 00:52:47.088 --> 00:52:48.728 DUVALL, LAUREL What about wood block? 00:52:48.728 --> 00:52:49.533 What about block? 00:52:49.533 --> 00:52:50.967 Embrace wood. 00:52:50.967 --> 00:52:54.033 You know, Connie, I'd have to look into that. 00:52:54.033 --> 00:52:59.100 I I not used those particular terms with respect to what? 00:52:59.100 --> 00:53:00.900 Tariff classification. 00:53:00.900 --> 00:53:05.633 OK, so the since this is, this is international language. 00:53:05.633 --> 00:53:08.767 Now Internet engineered structural timber products. 00:53:08.767 --> 00:53:12.433 And so there's actually new explanatory note that tells us what those are. 00:53:12.433 --> 00:53:18.033 DUVALL, LAUREL It applies to products consisting of laminated timber, 00:53:18.033 --> 00:53:23.500 or a combination of wood products such as timber, laminated veneer, lumber, 00:53:23.500 --> 00:53:27.100 plywood or oriented strand board to provide greater strength 00:53:27.100 --> 00:53:28.967 than just sawn timber. 00:53:28.967 --> 00:53:31.767 So there's a stronger than just solid wood 00:53:31.767 --> 00:53:36.167 and these manufacture products are designed to support the structural load 00:53:36.167 --> 00:53:37.500 of the building. 00:53:37.500 --> 00:53:42.100 So we're talking about some some solid big products. 00:53:42.100 --> 00:53:46.733 DUVALL, LAUREL Victor Quintana asks would engineered flooring wood 00:53:46.733 --> 00:53:47.600 flooring fall here? 00:53:47.600 --> 00:53:54.367 Absolutely not, no, that's a whole other discussion and you may wish to. 00:53:54.367 --> 00:53:59.700 DUVALL, LAUREL Email me and we can we can talk about what? 00:53:59.700 --> 00:54:02.100 Where engineered flooring goes. 00:54:02.100 --> 00:54:05.833 There's a whole that's a that's not only just like a whole different subject, 00:54:05.833 --> 00:54:10.100 it's such a big subject that I'm actually, you know, putting together 00:54:10.100 --> 00:54:14.433 and informed compliance publication just on how to classify flooring. 00:54:14.433 --> 00:54:17.100 So very different place for that. 00:54:17.100 --> 00:54:22.700 DUVALL, LAUREL OK, so the first one is glue laminated timber 00:54:22.700 --> 00:54:24.300 or glue lamb and. 00:54:24.300 --> 00:54:29.767 DUVALL, LAUREL These new explanatory notes are why my life is now shorter, 00:54:29.767 --> 00:54:33.567 because I had a lot to do with the crafting them, 00:54:33.567 --> 00:54:38.967 and hopefully they answer the questions that come up over time. 00:54:38.967 --> 00:54:44.833 DUVALL, LAUREL Glue lamb is a massive structural member constructed 00:54:44.833 --> 00:54:48.833 of multiple layers of timber that are glued together with the grain 00:54:48.833 --> 00:54:52.967 of each layer oriented parallel to those of the successive layers. 00:54:52.967 --> 00:54:56.167 So this is a massive product. 00:54:56.167 --> 00:54:57.900 Big, big. 00:54:57.900 --> 00:55:00.500 So like all of these different layers that you see here, 00:55:00.500 --> 00:55:06.700 these are these are all like lumber and not not veneers, not thin. 00:55:06.700 --> 00:55:09.767 So it's a massive product. 00:55:09.767 --> 00:55:12.457 DUVALL, LAUREL The layers are timber and the grains 00:55:12.457 --> 00:55:14.167 of these layers are parallel so. 00:55:14.167 --> 00:55:19.100 DUVALL, LAUREL When you think of LVL, you have veneers and the veneers. 00:55:19.100 --> 00:55:22.033 The grain runs parallel, but this is a huge product 00:55:22.033 --> 00:55:25.300 and so it's like it's like giant LVL, 00:55:25.300 --> 00:55:28.433 but it's like a massive structural member. 00:55:28.433 --> 00:55:32.100 And if you wonder why like a product like this 00:55:32.100 --> 00:55:35.700 that's that's clearly laminated together, why doesn't it go 00:55:35.700 --> 00:55:39.800 in heading 4412 with plywood veneer panels and similar laminated wood, 00:55:39.800 --> 00:55:44.200 it's because the explanatory notes to 4412 specifically tell us 00:55:44.200 --> 00:55:45.400 it doesn't go there. 00:55:45.400 --> 00:55:48.495 DUVALL, LAUREL It it says, the note says. 00:55:48.495 --> 00:55:54.133 Uh 4412 does not cover massive products such as laminated beans and arches, 00:55:54.133 --> 00:55:56.633 so called quote glulam products. 00:55:56.633 --> 00:55:58.300 So this is now. 00:55:58.300 --> 00:56:03.767 This now has its own home in 44 eighteen 44, eighteen 81. 00:56:03.767 --> 00:56:05.767 And it's the same internationally. 00:56:05.767 --> 00:56:09.567 DUVALL, LAUREL The next one is cross laminated timber. 00:56:09.567 --> 00:56:13.233 It's also called CLT or EXCLAM. 00:56:13.233 --> 00:56:19.967 It is defined in the explanatory notes, also a large structural building panel 00:56:19.967 --> 00:56:23.033 of at least three layers of wood laminated together. 00:56:23.033 --> 00:56:28.367 Each layer is constructed of multiple solid timber boards, wood sawn 00:56:28.367 --> 00:56:31.500 or chipped lengthwise with a thickness exceeding 6 millimeters. 00:56:31.500 --> 00:56:35.874 That language right there distinguishes it from veneers, 00:56:35.874 --> 00:56:38.267 so each layer is made up of solid timber boards 00:56:38.267 --> 00:56:39.867 that have been placed side by side, whether or not. 00:56:39.868 --> 00:56:42.852 DUVALL, LAUREL Food together the wood grain 00:56:42.852 --> 00:56:46.767 of each layer is typically oriented at a right angle to the grain 00:56:46.767 --> 00:56:47.767 of the adjacent layers. 00:56:47.767 --> 00:56:52.100 So if you think about this, it probably sounds pretty familiar. 00:56:52.100 --> 00:56:56.300 At least three layers and the grains run it at angles to one another. 00:56:56.300 --> 00:56:58.633 That's that's the description for plywood. 00:56:58.633 --> 00:57:01.833 The difference here is that this is a massive product. 00:57:01.833 --> 00:57:03.700 You can see here in this picture. 00:57:03.700 --> 00:57:05.633 This is this is sealed. 00:57:05.633 --> 00:57:06.967 T cross laminated timber. 00:57:06.967 --> 00:57:09.600 And here's a dudes hand so you can see this. 00:57:09.600 --> 00:57:10.467 This stuff is giant. 00:57:10.467 --> 00:57:12.433 It's like mega plywood. 00:57:12.433 --> 00:57:16.167 DUVALL, LAUREL OK, so again not classified with plywood, 00:57:16.167 --> 00:57:19.233 it is its own beast cross laminated timber. 00:57:25.903 --> 00:57:30.054 DUVALL, LAUREL Umm, the next engineered structural product 00:57:30.055 --> 00:57:31.438 is eyebeams. 00:57:31.438 --> 00:57:34.833 They're easy to remember because they look like an eye woo. 00:57:34.833 --> 00:57:39.833 DUVALL, LAUREL Uh, I I beams are defined as. 00:57:39.833 --> 00:57:43.933 DUVALL, LAUREL Comprised of top and bottom flanges. 00:57:43.933 --> 00:57:48.708 So these are the flanges here, top and bottom flanges, and united with webs. 00:57:48.709 --> 00:57:50.831 And this is the web, the vertical part. 00:57:50.831 --> 00:57:54.433 OK, the flange material is typically laminated. 00:57:54.433 --> 00:57:58.233 Veneer lumber or sun solid sawn lumber. 00:57:58.233 --> 00:58:02.833 In this picture it's solid, solid wood and then the web is made of plywood 00:58:02.833 --> 00:58:04.433 or oriented strand board. 00:58:04.433 --> 00:58:06.433 In this picture it's oriented strand board. 00:58:06.433 --> 00:58:14.633 DUVALL, LAUREL And and then 44 eighteen, 89 provides for other and. 00:58:14.633 --> 00:58:19.467 DUVALL, LAUREL You know other could mean you know any number of products 00:58:19.467 --> 00:58:22.967 or probably come up with different kinds of engineered structural products 00:58:22.967 --> 00:58:24.233 in in the 1st. 00:58:24.233 --> 00:58:26.500 DUVALL, LAUREL Uh. 00:58:26.500 --> 00:58:28.500 DUVALL, LAUREL Hold on one second, Lisa. 00:58:28.500 --> 00:58:29.900 I will answer your question. 00:58:33.900 --> 00:58:36.900 DUVALL, LAUREL This product here it looks like glue lamb, 00:58:36.900 --> 00:58:39.433 but instead of the boards being glued together, 00:58:39.433 --> 00:58:41.767 they're actually nailed together 00:58:41.767 --> 00:58:44.900 and it's something called nail laminated timber. 00:58:44.900 --> 00:58:48.890 Since it's not glue lamb, it can't be classified as glulam, but it's the same. 00:58:48.890 --> 00:58:51.733 It's the same kind of construction, it's just not glued together, 00:58:51.734 --> 00:58:53.770 it's nailed together. 00:58:53.770 --> 00:58:58.233 So this would be an an other engineered structural product. 00:58:58.233 --> 00:59:04.233 So Lisa, it looks like you're looking for the annexes on the. 00:59:04.233 --> 00:59:06.833 DUVALL, LAUREL Have you see your website and you can't find them? 00:59:06.833 --> 00:59:10.233 If you could, you can email me. 00:59:10.233 --> 00:59:12.567 You first wanna look under section 9. 00:59:12.567 --> 00:59:18.700 Then you want to look under Chapter 44 and then once chapter 44 populates, 00:59:18.700 --> 00:59:21.367 go to the very end where it says Annex. 00:59:21.367 --> 00:59:24.100 DUVALL, LAUREL OK. 00:59:24.100 --> 00:59:28.615 Again with these totally subtle changes to the tariff schedule that you 00:59:28.615 --> 00:59:32.900 might not notice until like you get a roadblock thrown up in front of you. 00:59:32.900 --> 00:59:42.367 DUVALL, LAUREL 4418 Ninety 190 became 91.9 one OK, one digit difference, 00:59:42.367 --> 00:59:44.033 teeny weeny little difference. 00:59:44.033 --> 00:59:49.833 But but because there were changes in in in 4418, if forced this change 00:59:49.833 --> 00:59:57.167 in tariff number OK, so just be aware you know this particular 144 eighteen, 00:59:57.167 --> 01:00:00.500 9991 comes up all the freaking time. 01:00:00.500 --> 01:00:03.567 So if you're importing you know wood structural products 01:00:03.567 --> 01:00:05.567 you're gonna see this number a lot. 01:00:05.567 --> 01:00:07.367 So you wanna make sure you have the right number. 01:00:07.367 --> 01:00:12.633 DUVALL, LAUREL OK, this I'm not gonna talk about very much. 01:00:12.633 --> 01:00:13.900 Cellular wood panels. 01:00:13.900 --> 01:00:15.233 It is a new tariff number. 01:00:15.233 --> 01:00:20.833 We are currently arguing arguing to the World Customs Organization 01:00:20.833 --> 01:00:22.900 that it was put in the wrong place. 01:00:22.900 --> 01:00:28.233 It kind of got stuck between two kinds of wood, bamboo and other wood. 01:00:28.233 --> 01:00:30.700 And I'm not really sure why it's there. 01:00:30.700 --> 01:00:32.567 A cellular wood panel? 01:00:32.567 --> 01:00:34.767 Hopefully you just don't come across it. 01:00:34.767 --> 01:00:38.100 If you think you have one, contact me and. 01:00:38.100 --> 01:00:41.767 DUVALL, LAUREL You know, I'll. 01:00:41.767 --> 01:00:44.933 I'll see what I can do about trying to explain it to you there. 01:00:44.933 --> 01:00:48.200 There we think that you know it's our, it's our opinion 01:00:48.200 --> 01:00:52.633 that this product up here which is 2 sheets of wood material with a 01:00:52.633 --> 01:00:57.767 with a core of like honeycomb paper with open cells 01:00:57.767 --> 01:01:00.900 that may also be a cellular wood panel. 01:01:00.900 --> 01:01:03.533 But we'll we'll need to discuss that. 01:01:03.533 --> 01:01:08.633 So Meredith Gettys asked, do I host Lacey? 01:01:08.633 --> 01:01:12.833 DUVALL, LAUREL Trainings related specifically to wood or can I point you 01:01:12.833 --> 01:01:14.100 to the direction of a source? 01:01:14.100 --> 01:01:18.100 I do not give trainings in the Lacey Act. 01:01:18.100 --> 01:01:22.633 That is because customs does not have jurisdiction in the Lacey Act 01:01:22.633 --> 01:01:26.567 that actually belongs to USDA Fest. 01:01:26.567 --> 01:01:29.633 The animal and Plant Health inspection service. 01:01:29.633 --> 01:01:35.633 And so they would actually be the ones that if if there was training 01:01:35.633 --> 01:01:37.967 to be given, they would be the ones that would give it. 01:01:47.080 --> 01:01:49.055 DUVALL, LAUREL Uh, and coffins. 01:01:49.055 --> 01:01:52.400 Coffins of no join the party now. 01:01:52.400 --> 01:01:59.100 Chapter 4044 internationally covers everything from tiny twigs to to death. 01:01:59.100 --> 01:02:02.900 DUVALL, LAUREL And I just couldn't help but wonder 01:02:02.900 --> 01:02:05.033 what on Earth is a bamboo coffin? 01:02:05.033 --> 01:02:08.300 So I looked it up and it's kind of like a basket. 01:02:08.300 --> 01:02:10.900 So in other words, it's a basket casket. 01:02:10.900 --> 01:02:16.633 So if this is the way you wanna go, you know, it feels a little more Beachy. 01:02:16.633 --> 01:02:20.567 You know, then then, hey, you know, go ahead and go ahead 01:02:20.567 --> 01:02:22.633 and get yourself a bamboo casket. 01:02:22.633 --> 01:02:24.967 DUVALL, LAUREL So Miriam, yes. 01:02:24.967 --> 01:02:31.033 DESTRA, MIRIAM There's one question with that nail lumber be subject 01:02:31.033 --> 01:02:34.233 to Canadian softwood AD CVD. 01:02:34.233 --> 01:02:36.067 If it's nailed together softwood. 01:02:36.067 --> 01:02:36.533 DUVALL, LAUREL It looks like. 01:02:36.533 --> 01:02:41.767 DUVALL, LAUREL OK, for the for the nail laminated timber, 01:02:41.767 --> 01:02:47.433 let me back up a second nail laminated timber is actually described by one 01:02:47.433 --> 01:02:53.100 of the inclusions to the to the anti dumping scope for. 01:02:53.100 --> 01:02:56.033 DUVALL, LAUREL Canadian softwood lumber. 01:02:56.033 --> 01:02:59.767 So if you go it, go in and look at it, you know I I don't have it 01:02:59.767 --> 01:03:01.567 in front of me right now. 01:03:01.567 --> 01:03:03.700 So I can't read off the language to you. 01:03:03.700 --> 01:03:07.085 DUVALL, LAUREL It is our belief that yes, it is described 01:03:07.085 --> 01:03:08.567 by the scope language. 01:03:08.567 --> 01:03:13.700 However, you know that kind of determination formally is not 01:03:13.700 --> 01:03:15.033 within our jurisdiction. 01:03:15.033 --> 01:03:19.833 So you want to address the question to the Department of Commerce. 01:03:21.900 --> 01:03:22.433 DUVALL, LAUREL OK. 01:03:24.567 --> 01:03:24.900 DUVALL, LAUREL OK. 01:03:24.900 --> 01:03:28.700 Umm, you know, if you don't wanna worry about classifying coffins, 01:03:28.700 --> 01:03:34.233 turns out you can skip the importation and build one yourself, 01:03:34.233 --> 01:03:39.967 because there's nothing like a kind of DIY Etsy kind of death. 01:03:39.967 --> 01:03:45.167 OK, so, you know, don't don't feel like you got to import the coffins, 01:03:45.167 --> 01:03:46.087 but you know it. 01:03:46.087 --> 01:03:48.467 You know, if you, if you make one yourself, 01:03:48.467 --> 01:03:50.367 you might enjoy death a little bit more. 01:03:50.367 --> 01:03:56.033 DUVALL, LAUREL And again, one more tiny shift with those tariff numbers. 01:03:56.033 --> 01:04:02.633 Burial caskets used to be a domestic subheading here in the tariff schedule, 01:04:02.633 --> 01:04:04.167 and it is now gone. 01:04:04.167 --> 01:04:09.833 So that number 4412 ninety 197 changed to 9198. 01:04:09.833 --> 01:04:13.967 And same thing with 9997 and 9998. 01:04:13.967 --> 01:04:19.167 So just be aware that sometimes there's just a tiny shift in a number 01:04:19.167 --> 01:04:20.733 and it may throw you off completely. 01:04:20.733 --> 01:04:22.000 OK. 01:04:22.000 --> 01:04:27.567 DUVALL, LAUREL And while I was while I was Googling coffins for you guys, 01:04:27.567 --> 01:04:30.767 I found this beautiful fish coffin. 01:04:30.767 --> 01:04:33.767 I've decided this is the way I wanna go in the ground so. 01:04:33.767 --> 01:04:35.700 DUVALL, LAUREL Ah. 01:04:35.700 --> 01:04:39.833 DUVALL, LAUREL Anybody, anybody who you know has a good sense of humor, 01:04:39.833 --> 01:04:41.100 might appreciate the fish cough. 01:04:41.100 --> 01:04:44.433 And so OK, you know, you made it to the end. 01:04:44.433 --> 01:04:48.567 You get the, the, the woodchuck screen to wake you up 01:04:48.567 --> 01:04:52.033 if you are out cold after all of that discussion. 01:04:52.033 --> 01:04:57.300 And if you have any questions, I am open for them. 01:04:57.300 --> 01:04:58.833 Let me know. 01:04:58.833 --> 01:05:00.433 Let me know what you're thinking. 01:05:00.433 --> 01:05:05.700 DUVALL, LAUREL I'm sorry I couldn't keep up fast enough with the 01:05:05.700 --> 01:05:07.300 with the chat. 01:05:07.300 --> 01:05:10.167 DUVALL, LAUREL Yes, Jose Ramos to what? 01:05:10.167 --> 01:05:11.333 Or not to wood? 01:05:11.333 --> 01:05:12.700 That is the question. 01:05:12.700 --> 01:05:19.269 My answer is 2 wood I would would I do would well OK. 01:05:19.269 --> 01:05:21.933 DUVALL, LAUREL Uh anyway? 01:05:21.933 --> 01:05:22.467 Uh. 01:05:22.467 --> 01:05:26.367 DUVALL, LAUREL Doesn't you who know me? 01:05:26.367 --> 01:05:27.667 No, I love a good joke. 01:05:27.667 --> 01:05:32.667 And yes, Robert Hellman, the the, the the bamboo casket is a basket provision. 01:05:32.667 --> 01:05:38.733 DUVALL, LAUREL Ohh, but if it doesn't have a body we don't declare. 01:05:38.733 --> 01:05:47.567 Yes, Chris Garcia Garcia says if if if you have a casket with a body 01:05:47.567 --> 01:05:49.167 in it you don't have to declare it it. 01:05:49.167 --> 01:05:52.167 You'd also don't have to declare the flowers that come in with it. 01:05:52.167 --> 01:05:56.900 But if the coffin comes in by itself now you have a new tariff schedule for it. 01:05:56.900 --> 01:05:59.133 DUVALL, LAUREL Katie Jackson. 01:05:59.133 --> 01:06:00.033 Yes, I know. 01:06:00.033 --> 01:06:02.367 Don't you really want those coffins? 01:06:02.367 --> 01:06:03.767 Those are some good ones, huh? 01:06:03.767 --> 01:06:06.100 DUVALL, LAUREL Let's see. 01:06:06.100 --> 01:06:11.233 DUVALL, LAUREL Elizabeth Bowen has indicated 01:06:11.233 --> 01:06:15.967 that the International Wood Products Association does have a laciak training, 01:06:15.967 --> 01:06:18.567 so there's a link there in the chat. 01:06:18.567 --> 01:06:20.367 DUVALL, LAUREL Uh. 01:06:20.367 --> 01:06:26.633 DUVALL, LAUREL What sound does a dog make when they catch a stick? 01:06:26.633 --> 01:06:28.500 The answer is bark. 01:06:28.500 --> 01:06:28.874 Bark. 01:06:28.874 --> 01:06:29.933 Love it. 01:06:29.933 --> 01:06:36.367 DUVALL, LAUREL Miriam has posted the the the internal length to 01:06:36.367 --> 01:06:38.433 to watch this webinar if you need it. 01:06:40.167 --> 01:06:47.567 DUVALL, LAUREL My email address is laurel.duvall@cbp.dhs.gov, 01:06:47.567 --> 01:06:56.433 so LAURE l.edu V as in Victor ALL at CBP like Customs 01:06:56.433 --> 01:07:00.567 and borderprotection.dhsdep- artmentofhomelandsecurity.gov. 01:07:03.300 --> 01:07:04.778 DUVALL, LAUREL Alex, are you expecting 01:07:04.779 --> 01:07:11.967 any significant additions changes in June or July, not in June, July. 01:07:11.967 --> 01:07:13.667 We have yet to see. 01:07:13.667 --> 01:07:19.967 You know there are the ITC is always working on modifications 01:07:19.967 --> 01:07:21.567 to the tariff schedules. 01:07:21.567 --> 01:07:26.500 So we shall see you know what changes actually occur come July. 01:07:26.500 --> 01:07:31.000 I I'm not Privy to the changes that are always that that are actually made 01:07:31.000 --> 01:07:31.700 until you know. 01:07:31.700 --> 01:07:35.833 DUVALL, LAUREL Until you all know, I know when you know, so I don't. 01:07:35.833 --> 01:07:37.033 I don't have any. 01:07:37.033 --> 01:07:42.167 I don't have any benefit to know what the ITC is gonna do or not. 01:07:42.167 --> 01:07:47.567 DUVALL, LAUREL Thank you for the kind remarks. 01:07:47.567 --> 01:07:50.300 I'm so glad that you are still awake. 01:07:50.300 --> 01:07:52.167 DUVALL, LAUREL Uh. 01:07:52.167 --> 01:07:57.567 DUVALL, LAUREL See any more questions in here? 01:07:57.567 --> 01:08:01.300 DUVALL, LAUREL Katie Jackson. 01:08:01.300 --> 01:08:05.833 Yes, I'm sure that if you find the right coffin maker, 01:08:05.833 --> 01:08:08.033 you can get yourself a tropical fish coffin. 01:08:08.033 --> 01:08:09.567 DUVALL, LAUREL Why not? 01:08:10.900 --> 01:08:11.833 DUVALL, LAUREL Why not? 01:08:12.967 --> 01:08:16.167 DUVALL, LAUREL And Christine powers. 01:08:16.167 --> 01:08:17.015 Casal. 01:08:17.015 --> 01:08:19.433 Yes, I am thrilled that LVL's joined the party, too. 01:08:19.433 --> 01:08:21.667 Could, could I be more happy? 01:08:21.667 --> 01:08:25.000 Well, yeah, I probably could be more happy about something else. 01:08:25.000 --> 01:08:26.367 But, you know, it's still. 01:08:26.367 --> 01:08:26.942 It's great for. 01:08:26.942 --> 01:08:28.700 It's great for classification. 01:08:28.700 --> 01:08:48.333 DUVALL, LAUREL Umm, the international would products association, 01:08:48.333 --> 01:08:53.700 Mallory Spindler, the International Wood Products Association, 01:08:53.700 --> 01:08:54.800 has the laciak training. 01:08:54.800 --> 01:09:00.267 There is a link in the chat which you should be able to access afterwards 01:09:00.267 --> 01:09:05.900 and if not, you can go to ibelieveitsiwpa.org. 01:09:09.648 --> 01:09:11.519 DUVALL, LAUREL No, I don't. 01:09:11.519 --> 01:09:15.367 I I don't moonlight as a stand up comedian I am. 01:09:15.367 --> 01:09:18.367 DUVALL, LAUREL Otherwise, completely boring. 01:09:20.100 --> 01:09:21.967 DUVALL, LAUREL Let's see. 01:09:29.633 --> 01:09:31.456 DUVALL, LAUREL Long live the white Princess. 01:09:31.456 --> 01:09:32.500 Thank you. 01:09:32.500 --> 01:09:35.300 I think you Long live the wood Princess. 01:09:35.300 --> 01:09:38.767 May she never have to climb into a wooden coffin, right? 01:09:42.900 --> 01:09:44.433 DUVALL, LAUREL OK. 01:09:46.300 --> 01:09:49.100 DUVALL, LAUREL Any other questions in here? 01:09:49.100 --> 01:09:50.848 I'm trying I'm trying. 01:09:50.848 --> 01:09:51.433 I'm trying. 01:09:53.167 --> 01:09:56.700 DUVALL, LAUREL I'm so glad you guys are responding to it so positively. 01:09:56.700 --> 01:09:58.167 I really appreciate it. 01:09:58.167 --> 01:10:01.500 I thought that this was probably the most boring webinar I've ever done, 01:10:01.500 --> 01:10:05.967 but I'm glad that I'm glad that you stayed with me. 01:10:05.967 --> 01:10:07.219 Excellent. 01:10:07.219 --> 01:10:13.567 DUVALL, LAUREL An Angel Wong is off to make his own coffin, so I'm so. 01:10:13.567 --> 01:10:15.433 I'm so glad for that. 01:10:15.433 --> 01:10:16.133 I'm. 01:10:16.133 --> 01:10:17.267 I'm glad to have inspired you. 01:10:21.233 --> 01:10:23.833 DUVALL, LAUREL Did I mention we're pellets? 01:10:23.833 --> 01:10:26.967 Go Lisa Leslie looney. 01:10:26.967 --> 01:10:29.500 I did not mention where pellets go. 01:10:29.500 --> 01:10:32.567 They are in heading 4415. 01:10:32.567 --> 01:10:35.833 I did not discuss those because there was not a change 01:10:35.833 --> 01:10:37.633 to the tariff number this year. 01:10:37.634 --> 01:10:40.968 But if you have questions about them, please email me. 01:10:48.099 --> 01:10:52.399 DUVALL, LAUREL No more questions. 01:10:52.400 --> 01:10:54.567 DUVALL, LAUREL OK, you made it. 01:10:54.567 --> 01:10:57.767 I'm so pleased that you could be here for the whole thing. 01:10:57.767 --> 01:10:59.100 Thank you so much. 01:10:59.100 --> 01:11:02.333 DUVALL, LAUREL Umm and. 01:11:05.033 --> 01:11:09.367 DUVALL, LAUREL That that picture in the chat from from, Lynn, 01:11:09.367 --> 01:11:13.967 from Wayne Lynn is my my woodchuck. 01:11:13.967 --> 01:11:14.892 Nickel. 01:11:14.892 --> 01:11:17.433 Never, never, never take a wooden nickel, 01:11:17.433 --> 01:11:19.433 especially if it has a woodchuck on it. 01:11:19.433 --> 01:11:23.500 I handed those out at a presentation many years ago 01:11:23.500 --> 01:11:25.833 when people got the answers to the questions right. 01:11:25.833 --> 01:11:29.433 DUVALL, LAUREL I am so I'm so pleased 01:11:29.433 --> 01:11:31.282 that some of you have my woodchuck nickels. 01:11:31.282 --> 01:11:32.033 Thank you so much. 01:11:33.300 --> 01:11:34.100 DUVALL, LAUREL All right. 01:11:34.100 --> 01:11:34.881 OK, thank you. 01:11:34.881 --> 01:11:36.567 I really appreciate it. 01:11:36.567 --> 01:11:44.833 This the link will be available for for viewing external this. 01:11:44.833 --> 01:11:49.233 DUVALL, LAUREL This presentation will be available internally and externally. 01:11:49.233 --> 01:11:51.033 The links will be different. 01:11:51.033 --> 01:11:56.700 The link for the internal is in the chat and as Merriam showed earlier, 01:11:56.700 --> 01:12:00.433 there will be a link for the external viewing so. 01:12:00.433 --> 01:12:03.133 DUVALL, LAUREL You, you know, email me if you want to. 01:12:03.133 --> 01:12:06.833 If you want a woodchuck nickel, I think I probably still have 01:12:06.833 --> 01:12:08.367 some of these around here. 01:12:08.367 --> 01:12:11.300 And thank you again. 01:12:11.300 --> 01:12:12.896 Thank you for sticking with me for more than an hour. 01:12:12.896 --> 01:12:14.033 I really appreciate it. 01:12:14.671 --> 01:12:16.304 DUVALL, LAUREL Alright, have a good afternoon.