WEBVTT 00:00:15.866 --> 00:00:17.466 ORSAT, RENEE Good morning, everyone. 00:00:18.633 --> 00:00:24.967 ORSAT, RENEE Welcome to the webinar for gender neutral garments. 00:00:43.936 --> 00:00:48.632 ORSAT, RENEE This will not be a very long presentation, so. 00:00:48.633 --> 00:00:52.233 ORSAT, RENEE Umm, I just wanna give you a heads up. 00:00:53.433 --> 00:00:54.900 ORSAT, RENEE And let's start. 00:00:58.100 --> 00:01:00.433 ORSAT, RENEE OK, our mission statements. 00:07:41.170 --> 00:07:45.366 ORSAT, RENEE In the classification apparel terminology, 00:07:45.366 --> 00:07:50.233 informed compliance notes on gender and age are. 00:07:50.233 --> 00:07:54.833 ORSAT, RENEE Uh, referencing the 261 note 9 00:07:54.833 --> 00:08:00.767 and Chapter 62 Note 8 describe the manner to determine the sex 00:08:00.767 --> 00:08:01.967 of the wear. 00:08:01.967 --> 00:08:06.900 ORSAT, RENEE If a garment has a front opening with a directional closure, 00:08:06.900 --> 00:08:14.167 such as buttons that are leftover right, that is considered to be 00:08:14.167 --> 00:08:16.033 for men or boys. 00:08:16.033 --> 00:08:23.100 A garment that closes right over left is considered to also to be 00:08:23.100 --> 00:08:24.767 for women or girls. 00:08:24.767 --> 00:08:30.100 This rule holds unless the cut of the garment indicates that it is 00:08:30.100 --> 00:08:32.900 for the other sex. 00:08:32.900 --> 00:08:36.100 ORSAT, RENEE These notes pertain to all garments. 00:08:36.100 --> 00:08:41.900 ORSAT, RENEE Garments, which cannot be identified either Mens or boys, 00:08:41.900 --> 00:08:46.500 garments or as women's or girls garments are to be classified 00:08:46.500 --> 00:08:50.700 in the headings covering women's or girls garments. 00:08:50.700 --> 00:08:58.033 So if we went back a slide, these would all be classified 00:08:58.033 --> 00:09:00.100 under women's garments. 00:09:04.367 --> 00:09:06.800 ORSAT, RENEE The cut, you know. 00:09:07.899 --> 00:09:12.566 ORSAT, RENEE The kind of these clothes the these examples here 00:09:12.567 --> 00:09:14.367 are pretty much all the same. 00:09:14.367 --> 00:09:20.767 I don't think I could differentiate between a woman's garment 00:09:20.767 --> 00:09:22.567 or a men's garment. 00:09:30.367 --> 00:09:30.767 ORSAT, RENEE OK. 00:09:30.767 --> 00:09:33.633 ORSAT, RENEE Let me get that alright. 00:09:33.633 --> 00:09:36.567 ORSAT, RENEE Garments of this chapter, 00:09:36.567 --> 00:09:39.500 designed for leftover right closure 00:09:39.500 --> 00:09:44.700 at the front, shall be regarded as Mens or boys garments 00:09:44.700 --> 00:09:51.500 and those designed for right over left closure at the front as women's 00:09:51.500 --> 00:09:52.767 or girls garments. 00:09:52.767 --> 00:09:59.367 These provisions do not apply where the cut of the garment clearly indicates 00:09:59.367 --> 00:10:04.633 that it is designed for one or other of the sexes. 00:10:06.100 --> 00:10:11.433 ORSAT, RENEE Garments, which cannot be identified as either Mens or boys, 00:10:11.433 --> 00:10:16.300 garments or as women's or girls garments are to be classified 00:10:16.300 --> 00:10:21.500 in the headings covering women's or girls garments. 00:10:29.367 --> 00:10:31.167 ORSAT, RENEE Chapter 62. 00:10:31.167 --> 00:10:34.300 Note 8 pretty much says the same thing. 00:10:34.300 --> 00:10:39.367 ORSAT, RENEE Only for woven or I should say not knit garments, 00:10:39.367 --> 00:10:43.065 and we're starting to see a lot of these garments. 00:10:43.099 --> 00:10:47.032 Types of garments come in so. 00:10:47.033 --> 00:10:48.967 ORSAT, RENEE UM. 00:10:49.900 --> 00:10:54.567 ORSAT, RENEE They are pretty spot on their you can't really tell. 00:10:54.567 --> 00:10:56.700 ORSAT, RENEE The difference? 00:10:58.233 --> 00:11:00.100 ORSAT, RENEE You know, times are changing. 00:11:00.100 --> 00:11:04.633 ORSAT, RENEE So are so as fashion always changing? 00:11:05.633 --> 00:11:07.167 ORSAT, RENEE OK. 00:11:07.167 --> 00:11:11.433 So in headquarters ruling 953842. 00:11:13.900 --> 00:11:17.967 ORSAT, RENEE We refer to the textile category guidelines. 00:11:41.845 --> 00:11:46.772 ORSAT, RENEE In determining whether a garment is identifiable as Mens 00:11:46.773 --> 00:11:52.233 or boys or women's and girls, the following should be considered sizing, 00:11:52.233 --> 00:12:00.033 construction, styling and other factors can play a part such as packaging 00:12:00.033 --> 00:12:01.367 and labeling. 00:12:08.700 --> 00:12:09.633 ORSAT, RENEE Further. 00:12:10.833 --> 00:12:18.233 ORSAT, RENEE Note 8 to chapter 61 states that articles of Chapter 61 knit. 00:12:18.224 --> 00:12:24.166 ORSAT, RENEE Or crocheted, which cannot be identified as either Mens 00:12:24.167 --> 00:12:28.433 or boys garments, or as women's or girls garments are to be classified 00:12:28.433 --> 00:12:33.700 in the headings covering women's or girls garments, so they, 00:12:33.700 --> 00:12:40.300 you know, all of these, these two rulings and the two chapter notes, 00:12:40.300 --> 00:12:44.233 one for 61 and 462 support. 00:12:44.233 --> 00:12:48.967 ORSAT, RENEE The classification of women's or girls garments. 00:12:55.316 --> 00:12:59.700 ORSAT, RENEE For sizing, we've had trends of unisex clothing. 00:12:59.700 --> 00:13:07.033 Our casual St Wear based on oversized Tees, tracksuits, sweats and hoodies. 00:13:07.033 --> 00:13:08.656 ORSAT, RENEE There's. 00:13:08.656 --> 00:13:12.967 ORSAT, RENEE Really kind of like no shape to them. 00:13:12.967 --> 00:13:17.167 ORSAT, RENEE Typical genderless garments are either oversized, 00:13:17.167 --> 00:13:19.567 shapeless and formless. 00:13:19.567 --> 00:13:25.833 ORSAT, RENEE And the current trend has more inclusive sizing from P petite 00:13:25.833 --> 00:13:28.233 to 6 XL. 00:13:36.166 --> 00:13:40.632 ORSAT, RENEE In headquarters ruling 085848. 00:13:40.633 --> 00:13:47.033 ORSAT, RENEE Explanatory note to chapter 61 provides that garments 00:13:47.033 --> 00:13:52.567 which cannot be identified as Mens or women's are to be classified 00:13:52.582 --> 00:13:55.915 in the headings for women's garments. 00:17:16.581 --> 00:17:22.021 ORSAT, RENEE So I if you're referring to pink and blue, I I would you know. 00:17:22.121 --> 00:17:29.066 ORSAT, RENEE Pink and blue can be worn by all genders or the genderless. 00:17:32.900 --> 00:17:34.123 KONG, FUNG KING Umm, OK. 00:17:34.124 --> 00:17:37.433 The person that asked for about the vest. 00:17:38.366 --> 00:17:43.166 KONG, FUNG KING She actually added a vest with zippers. 00:17:43.167 --> 00:17:45.033 How would you handle that? 00:17:46.833 --> 00:17:49.167 ORSAT, RENEE Well, we would look at this sizing. 00:17:51.967 --> 00:17:56.300 ORSAT, RENEE You know, if it's like oversized, if it's just a big block 00:17:56.300 --> 00:18:01.033 of fabric with a zipper and the middle, you know, then that could be. 00:18:01.033 --> 00:18:03.767 ORSAT, RENEE A unisex garment. 00:18:03.767 --> 00:18:07.233 We would be looking at the sizing. 00:18:07.233 --> 00:18:09.167 ORSAT, RENEE Uh. 00:18:51.268 --> 00:18:55.732 ORSAT, RENEE Construction, styling and packaging and labeling. 00:18:55.733 --> 00:18:57.167 I'm sorry. 00:18:57.167 --> 00:19:00.233 I was trying to get to that slide, so. 00:19:00.233 --> 00:19:03.567 ORSAT, RENEE There are many things to consider 00:19:03.567 --> 00:19:09.900 when considering a unisex garment, and we do have a little checklist 00:19:09.900 --> 00:19:11.633 which would be the sizing. 00:19:16.633 --> 00:19:19.700 ORSAT, RENEE You know it, this is very, very hard. 00:19:19.700 --> 00:19:21.767 We we know that. 00:19:21.767 --> 00:19:24.100 ORSAT, RENEE There are still. 00:19:24.100 --> 00:19:30.967 ORSAT, RENEE People out in the world that believe a pink jacket 00:19:30.967 --> 00:19:34.367 with a fur collar should be for a female. 00:19:34.367 --> 00:19:38.033 ORSAT, RENEE But then we have other. 00:19:38.033 --> 00:19:43.167 ORSAT, RENEE Areas to consider and that would be the gender list, 00:19:43.167 --> 00:19:44.433 the gender neutral. 00:19:44.433 --> 00:19:49.833 There's no limit in the genderless or the gender neutral. 00:19:49.833 --> 00:19:51.347 ORSAT, RENEE Anything. 00:19:51.347 --> 00:19:53.500 It's anything goes. 00:19:53.500 --> 00:19:54.215 It's the. 00:19:54.215 --> 00:19:56.300 Remember, we're gonna look at the sizing. 00:19:59.300 --> 00:19:59.500 ORSAT, RENEE Yeah. 00:19:59.500 --> 00:20:00.767 OK. 00:20:03.033 --> 00:20:05.700 ORSAT, RENEE There's nothing wrong with a pink hoodie. 00:20:05.700 --> 00:20:08.900 It you know, all it is, is it's a pink color. 00:20:08.900 --> 00:20:09.900 That's it. 00:20:09.900 --> 00:20:11.833 ORSAT, RENEE It it. 00:20:11.833 --> 00:20:16.500 ORSAT, RENEE There's nothing there that says Mens or boys, 00:20:16.500 --> 00:20:19.300 women's or girls, because it's pink. 00:20:21.500 --> 00:20:23.300 KONG, FUNG KING Umm, someone asked a question. 00:20:23.300 --> 00:20:28.567 What about kids clothing, boys or not likely to wear a pink jacket 00:20:28.567 --> 00:20:33.433 with a fur collar and the jacket is mark marketed as unisex. 00:20:34.433 --> 00:20:35.200 ORSAT, RENEE Then it unisex. 00:20:35.200 --> 00:20:36.367 It would be. 00:20:42.233 --> 00:20:45.567 ORSAT, RENEE You know, because that of packaging and labeling 00:20:45.567 --> 00:20:50.433 and marketing is another point that we would consider. 00:20:52.567 --> 00:20:57.300 ORSAT, RENEE So if I received a jacket or Deanna received a pink jacket 00:20:57.300 --> 00:21:01.567 with a fur collar, you know, and it is unisex, 00:21:01.567 --> 00:21:05.233 or maybe the sizing says one size. 00:21:05.233 --> 00:21:06.900 ORSAT, RENEE Fits. 00:21:06.900 --> 00:21:10.100 ORSAT, RENEE Most or both or whatever. 00:21:10.100 --> 00:21:13.400 ORSAT, RENEE You're you're gonna have a unisex garment. 00:21:13.400 --> 00:21:14.467 It it's. 00:21:18.433 --> 00:21:19.000 ORSAT, RENEE What? 00:21:19.000 --> 00:21:21.333 What you as the trade? 00:21:21.333 --> 00:21:22.933 ORSAT, RENEE Consider. 00:21:23.767 --> 00:21:25.633 ORSAT, RENEE We don't consider that. 00:21:25.641 --> 00:21:29.574 ORSAT, RENEE With customs, we have to consider other things. 00:21:41.166 --> 00:21:42.999 ORSAT, RENEE The garment is. 00:21:43.000 --> 00:21:46.500 ORSAT, RENEE What is before us and only that? 00:21:59.900 --> 00:22:02.567 ORSAT, RENEE Most of the garments that we classify, 00:22:02.567 --> 00:22:05.967 in fact all of them are on a case by case basis. 00:22:14.500 --> 00:22:16.367 ORSAT, RENEE I I missed that. 00:22:16.367 --> 00:22:17.667 ORSAT, RENEE Question wrong. 00:22:17.667 --> 00:22:21.367 KONG, FUNG KING What if a pair of uniform pants steaks? 00:22:21.367 --> 00:22:26.567 Genderless, but inside the waist has a pink hump stitching on the inside? 00:22:28.167 --> 00:22:29.433 ORSAT, RENEE A pink ham. 00:22:30.833 --> 00:22:34.300 KONG, FUNG KING Yeah, pink hemstitching on the inside. 00:22:34.300 --> 00:22:37.033 ORSAT, RENEE It has then it. 00:22:37.033 --> 00:22:38.767 It would just be that. 00:22:39.700 --> 00:22:42.900 ORSAT, RENEE A pink ham stitching but. 00:22:44.900 --> 00:22:48.833 ORSAT, RENEE You know, again, what are you saying? 00:22:48.833 --> 00:22:52.367 That the pink thread changes the whole scenario? 00:22:55.167 --> 00:22:57.300 ORSAT, RENEE No, color does not matter. 00:23:08.126 --> 00:23:11.999 KONG, FUNG KING OK, another question is how the car is, 00:23:12.000 --> 00:23:16.100 how the garment is market Trump, how the buttons are. 00:23:17.567 --> 00:23:18.167 ORSAT, RENEE No. 00:23:21.567 --> 00:23:25.167 ORSAT, RENEE If you had a woven shirt with a leftover right opening. 00:23:25.167 --> 00:23:26.567 Ohh. 00:23:27.767 --> 00:23:28.500 KONG, FUNG KING Hmm. 00:23:28.500 --> 00:23:31.300 ORSAT, RENEE I I didn't hear her. 00:23:31.300 --> 00:23:33.567 See the whole of her question for me. 00:23:49.167 --> 00:23:51.433 ORSAT, RENEE Did you happen to see the last question? 00:23:53.300 --> 00:23:54.233 ORSAT, RENEE No. 00:23:54.233 --> 00:23:55.967 KONG, FUNG KING If you what? 00:23:55.967 --> 00:23:56.633 ORSAT, RENEE Ohh here we. 00:23:56.633 --> 00:23:58.133 ORSAT, RENEE Yeah. 00:23:58.133 --> 00:24:00.967 KONG, FUNG KING If if you had a woven shirt 00:24:00.967 --> 00:24:06.833 with a leftover right opening, but it had starts with this be women's. 00:24:08.900 --> 00:24:09.900 ORSAT, RENEE Yes. 00:24:09.900 --> 00:24:11.733 KONG, FUNG KING And are there any other exception like this? 00:24:11.733 --> 00:24:12.400 ORSAT, RENEE Well. 00:24:13.833 --> 00:24:15.700 ORSAT, RENEE Ah. 00:24:16.767 --> 00:24:18.000 ORSAT, RENEE Darts. 00:24:19.567 --> 00:24:23.033 ORSAT, RENEE You know are common to garments for women. 00:24:24.100 --> 00:24:26.367 ORSAT, RENEE But then you also have. 00:24:27.032 --> 00:24:32.299 ORSAT, RENEE Leftover right, which is common to men's garments. 00:24:32.300 --> 00:24:35.167 We would have to look at the sizing. 00:24:36.767 --> 00:24:40.300 ORSAT, RENEE The styling and the packaging, 00:24:40.300 --> 00:24:42.233 marketing and labeling for that. 00:24:42.233 --> 00:24:44.900 ORSAT, RENEE We have to take into everything. 00:24:44.900 --> 00:24:49.700 ORSAT, RENEE So just those couple of points, I would not be able 00:24:49.700 --> 00:24:50.900 to classify your garment. 00:24:50.900 --> 00:24:56.633 ORSAT, RENEE Whether it be Mens or boys or women's or girls. 00:24:59.433 --> 00:25:02.767 ORSAT, RENEE There's other factors that we take into consideration. 00:25:06.433 --> 00:25:09.233 KONG, FUNG KING OK, what about a chin guard at the top? 00:25:09.233 --> 00:25:12.300 Does the left or right apply here? 00:25:12.300 --> 00:25:14.900 ORSAT, RENEE A chin guard. 00:25:14.900 --> 00:25:20.567 ORSAT, RENEE So if you have what like a mouthpiece or a chin guard hanging 00:25:20.567 --> 00:25:22.033 from your garment? 00:25:26.100 --> 00:25:28.767 ORSAT, RENEE I'm having a hard time picturing that. 00:25:28.767 --> 00:25:32.433 KONG, FUNG KING Oh, OK, she clarified is on the jacket. 00:25:32.433 --> 00:25:34.332 ORSAT, RENEE So if the label on the department. 00:25:34.332 --> 00:25:35.920 KONG, FUNG KING Umm, I don't think you handle jackets though. 00:25:35.920 --> 00:25:36.667 ORSAT, RENEE No. 00:25:36.667 --> 00:25:38.500 KONG, FUNG KING That would be d'annibale. 00:25:38.500 --> 00:25:39.300 ORSAT, RENEE Umm. 00:25:42.567 --> 00:25:44.867 KONG, FUNG KING So if the label on the garment indicates men 00:25:44.867 --> 00:25:49.633 but has a bright over left button, it won't be considered men. 00:25:52.700 --> 00:25:53.600 ORSAT, RENEE I don't know. 00:25:53.600 --> 00:25:56.967 We would have to again, we would have to see the garment. 00:25:56.967 --> 00:25:59.367 What you, you know, it's. 00:25:59.367 --> 00:26:04.300 I'm sorry to say, but every garment, it's sort of like out there. 00:26:04.300 --> 00:26:07.033 Every transaction stands on its own. 00:26:07.033 --> 00:26:10.167 Every garment stands on its own. 00:26:10.167 --> 00:26:14.633 So without the garment, we are not able to classify. 00:26:17.233 --> 00:26:18.600 KONG, FUNG KING Mm-hmm. 00:26:39.889 --> 00:26:40.889 ORSAT, RENEE Bye.