ORSAT, RENEE Good morning, everyone.
ORSAT, RENEE Welcome to the webinar for gender neutral garments.
ORSAT, RENEE This will not be a very long presentation, so.
ORSAT, RENEE Umm, I just wanna give you a heads up.
ORSAT, RENEE And let's start.
ORSAT, RENEE OK, our mission statements.
ORSAT, RENEE In the classification apparel terminology,
informed compliance notes on gender and age are.
ORSAT, RENEE Uh, referencing the 261 note 9
and Chapter 62 Note 8 describe the manner to determine the sex
of the wear.
ORSAT, RENEE If a garment has a front opening with a directional closure,
such as buttons that are leftover right, that is considered to be
for men or boys.
A garment that closes right over left is considered to also to be
for women or girls.
This rule holds unless the cut of the garment indicates that it is
for the other sex.
ORSAT, RENEE These notes pertain to all garments.
ORSAT, RENEE Garments, which cannot be identified either Mens or boys,
garments or as women's or girls garments are to be classified
in the headings covering women's or girls garments.
So if we went back a slide, these would all be classified
under women's garments.
ORSAT, RENEE The cut, you know.
ORSAT, RENEE The kind of these clothes the these examples here
are pretty much all the same.
I don't think I could differentiate between a woman's garment
or a men's garment.
ORSAT, RENEE OK.
ORSAT, RENEE Let me get that alright.
ORSAT, RENEE Garments of this chapter,
designed for leftover right closure
at the front, shall be regarded as Mens or boys garments
and those designed for right over left closure at the front as women's
or girls garments.
These provisions do not apply where the cut of the garment clearly indicates
that it is designed for one or other of the sexes.
ORSAT, RENEE Garments, which cannot be identified as either Mens or boys,
garments or as women's or girls garments are to be classified
in the headings covering women's or girls garments.
ORSAT, RENEE Chapter 62.
Note 8 pretty much says the same thing.
ORSAT, RENEE Only for woven or I should say not knit garments,
and we're starting to see a lot of these garments.
Types of garments come in so.
ORSAT, RENEE UM.
ORSAT, RENEE They are pretty spot on their you can't really tell.
ORSAT, RENEE The difference?
ORSAT, RENEE You know, times are changing.
ORSAT, RENEE So are so as fashion always changing?
ORSAT, RENEE OK.
So in headquarters ruling 953842.
ORSAT, RENEE We refer to the textile category guidelines.
ORSAT, RENEE In determining whether a garment is identifiable as Mens
or boys or women's and girls, the following should be considered sizing,
construction, styling and other factors can play a part such as packaging
and labeling.
ORSAT, RENEE Further.
ORSAT, RENEE Note 8 to chapter 61 states that articles of Chapter 61 knit.
ORSAT, RENEE Or crocheted, which cannot be identified as either Mens
or boys garments, or as women's or girls garments are to be classified
in the headings covering women's or girls garments, so they,
you know, all of these, these two rulings and the two chapter notes,
one for 61 and 462 support.
ORSAT, RENEE The classification of women's or girls garments.
ORSAT, RENEE For sizing, we've had trends of unisex clothing.
Our casual St Wear based on oversized Tees, tracksuits, sweats and hoodies.
ORSAT, RENEE There's.
ORSAT, RENEE Really kind of like no shape to them.
ORSAT, RENEE Typical genderless garments are either oversized,
shapeless and formless.
ORSAT, RENEE And the current trend has more inclusive sizing from P petite
to 6 XL.
ORSAT, RENEE In headquarters ruling 085848.
ORSAT, RENEE Explanatory note to chapter 61 provides that garments
which cannot be identified as Mens or women's are to be classified
in the headings for women's garments.
ORSAT, RENEE So I if you're referring to pink and blue, I I would you know.
ORSAT, RENEE Pink and blue can be worn by all genders or the genderless.
KONG, FUNG KING Umm, OK.
The person that asked for about the vest.
KONG, FUNG KING She actually added a vest with zippers.
How would you handle that?
ORSAT, RENEE Well, we would look at this sizing.
ORSAT, RENEE You know, if it's like oversized, if it's just a big block
of fabric with a zipper and the middle, you know, then that could be.
ORSAT, RENEE A unisex garment.
We would be looking at the sizing.
ORSAT, RENEE Uh.
ORSAT, RENEE Construction, styling and packaging and labeling.
I'm sorry.
I was trying to get to that slide, so.
ORSAT, RENEE There are many things to consider
when considering a unisex garment, and we do have a little checklist
which would be the sizing.
ORSAT, RENEE You know it, this is very, very hard.
We we know that.
ORSAT, RENEE There are still.
ORSAT, RENEE People out in the world that believe a pink jacket
with a fur collar should be for a female.
ORSAT, RENEE But then we have other.
ORSAT, RENEE Areas to consider and that would be the gender list,
the gender neutral.
There's no limit in the genderless or the gender neutral.
ORSAT, RENEE Anything.
It's anything goes.
It's the.
Remember, we're gonna look at the sizing.
ORSAT, RENEE Yeah.
OK.
ORSAT, RENEE There's nothing wrong with a pink hoodie.
It you know, all it is, is it's a pink color.
That's it.
ORSAT, RENEE It it.
ORSAT, RENEE There's nothing there that says Mens or boys,
women's or girls, because it's pink.
KONG, FUNG KING Umm, someone asked a question.
What about kids clothing, boys or not likely to wear a pink jacket
with a fur collar and the jacket is mark marketed as unisex.
ORSAT, RENEE Then it unisex.
It would be.
ORSAT, RENEE You know, because that of packaging and labeling
and marketing is another point that we would consider.
ORSAT, RENEE So if I received a jacket or Deanna received a pink jacket
with a fur collar, you know, and it is unisex,
or maybe the sizing says one size.
ORSAT, RENEE Fits.
ORSAT, RENEE Most or both or whatever.
ORSAT, RENEE You're you're gonna have a unisex garment.
It it's.
ORSAT, RENEE What?
What you as the trade?
ORSAT, RENEE Consider.
ORSAT, RENEE We don't consider that.
ORSAT, RENEE With customs, we have to consider other things.
ORSAT, RENEE The garment is.
ORSAT, RENEE What is before us and only that?
ORSAT, RENEE Most of the garments that we classify,
in fact all of them are on a case by case basis.
ORSAT, RENEE I I missed that.
ORSAT, RENEE Question wrong.
KONG, FUNG KING What if a pair of uniform pants steaks?
Genderless, but inside the waist has a pink hump stitching on the inside?
ORSAT, RENEE A pink ham.
KONG, FUNG KING Yeah, pink hemstitching on the inside.
ORSAT, RENEE It has then it.
It would just be that.
ORSAT, RENEE A pink ham stitching but.
ORSAT, RENEE You know, again, what are you saying?
That the pink thread changes the whole scenario?
ORSAT, RENEE No, color does not matter.
KONG, FUNG KING OK, another question is how the car is,
how the garment is market Trump, how the buttons are.
ORSAT, RENEE No.
ORSAT, RENEE If you had a woven shirt with a leftover right opening.
Ohh.
KONG, FUNG KING Hmm.
ORSAT, RENEE I I didn't hear her.
See the whole of her question for me.
ORSAT, RENEE Did you happen to see the last question?
ORSAT, RENEE No.
KONG, FUNG KING If you what?
ORSAT, RENEE Ohh here we.
ORSAT, RENEE Yeah.
KONG, FUNG KING If if you had a woven shirt
with a leftover right opening, but it had starts with this be women's.
ORSAT, RENEE Yes.
KONG, FUNG KING And are there any other exception like this?
ORSAT, RENEE Well.
ORSAT, RENEE Ah.
ORSAT, RENEE Darts.
ORSAT, RENEE You know are common to garments for women.
ORSAT, RENEE But then you also have.
ORSAT, RENEE Leftover right, which is common to men's garments.
We would have to look at the sizing.
ORSAT, RENEE The styling and the packaging,
marketing and labeling for that.
ORSAT, RENEE We have to take into everything.
ORSAT, RENEE So just those couple of points, I would not be able
to classify your garment.
ORSAT, RENEE Whether it be Mens or boys or women's or girls.
ORSAT, RENEE There's other factors that we take into consideration.
KONG, FUNG KING OK, what about a chin guard at the top?
Does the left or right apply here?
ORSAT, RENEE A chin guard.
ORSAT, RENEE So if you have what like a mouthpiece or a chin guard hanging
from your garment?
ORSAT, RENEE I'm having a hard time picturing that.
KONG, FUNG KING Oh, OK, she clarified is on the jacket.
ORSAT, RENEE So if the label on the department.
KONG, FUNG KING Umm, I don't think you handle jackets though.
ORSAT, RENEE No.
KONG, FUNG KING That would be d'annibale.
ORSAT, RENEE Umm.
KONG, FUNG KING So if the label on the garment indicates men
but has a bright over left button, it won't be considered men.
ORSAT, RENEE I don't know.
We would have to again, we would have to see the garment.
What you, you know, it's.
I'm sorry to say, but every garment, it's sort of like out there.
Every transaction stands on its own.
Every garment stands on its own.
So without the garment, we are not able to classify.
KONG, FUNG KING Mm-hmm.
ORSAT, RENEE Bye.