WEBVTT 1 00:00:04.000 --> 00:00:07.968 >>: Good afternoon I am Chrissy Guth 2 00:00:07.970 --> 00:00:11.442 today's webinar is “Let’s Get Informed!” – 3 00:00:11.444 --> 00:00:13.444 Unformed/Formed Webinar. 4 00:00:13.444 --> 00:00:15.607 This is the first of the National 5 00:00:15.607 --> 00:00:17.607 Commodity Specialist Division's 2023 6 00:00:17.607 --> 00:00:20.576 webinar series." Please be mindful that 7 00:00:20.582 --> 00:00:23.753 you will be on mute during the 8 00:00:23.753 --> 00:00:25.753 presentation. 9 00:00:25.753 --> 00:00:28.138 Therefore we ask that you please submit 10 00:00:28.138 --> 00:00:30.138 any questions you have in the chat 11 00:00:30.138 --> 00:00:32.138 feature. 12 00:00:32.138 --> 00:00:34.158 Now I would like to pass it over to 13 00:00:34.162 --> 00:00:36.298 national import specialist, Stacey 14 00:00:36.300 --> 00:00:38.300 Kalkine. 15 00:00:38.300 --> 00:00:40.300 STACEY KALKINE: Thank you Chrissy for 16 00:00:40.300 --> 00:00:42.300 your introduction. 17 00:00:42.300 --> 00:00:46.410 I went to give a special shout out to my 18 00:00:46.410 --> 00:00:48.410 associate, Florence Franchi own because 19 00:00:48.410 --> 00:00:50.410 she prepared all these fun slides that are 20 00:00:50.410 --> 00:00:52.410 going to be used today in today's 21 00:00:52.410 --> 00:00:54.410 presentation. 22 00:00:54.410 --> 00:00:56.410 A good many of you who are out there 23 00:00:56.410 --> 00:00:58.410 already know me from various trade 24 00:00:58.410 --> 00:01:00.410 seminars and previous webinars and have 25 00:01:00.410 --> 00:01:03.744 come to my office at two '01 Barrick 26 00:01:03.779 --> 00:01:06.754 Street in Manhattan. You're welcome to 27 00:01:06.756 --> 00:01:10.156 come by if you have questions or symbols 28 00:01:10.158 --> 00:01:12.283 or just to say high. 29 00:01:12.284 --> 00:01:15.974 Today I would like to talk to you about 30 00:01:15.977 --> 00:01:18.027 footwear for your uppers specifically 31 00:01:18.029 --> 00:01:21.309 formed and unformed upper's. Most of you 32 00:01:21.312 --> 00:01:24.182 are very familiar with uppers and the 33 00:01:24.185 --> 00:01:26.235 differences between formed and unformed, 34 00:01:26.237 --> 00:01:29.517 but for those new to footwear, I will 35 00:01:29.520 --> 00:01:31.570 start at the very beginning. 36 00:01:31.572 --> 00:01:41.442 But first a word from my sponsor. 37 00:01:41.442 --> 00:01:44.153 And finally, because footwear importing 38 00:01:44.153 --> 00:01:47.950 can be very complicated and an importer 39 00:01:47.951 --> 00:01:52.292 may using our EE rulings module online and 40 00:01:52.293 --> 00:01:54.462 he rulings that CBP.gov. 41 00:01:54.464 --> 00:01:57.314 It is easy, fast, and free. 42 00:01:57.314 --> 00:02:00.382 If you attach a nice close-up picture of 43 00:02:00.384 --> 00:02:03.070 all angles of your footwear including the 44 00:02:03.075 --> 00:02:06.147 outer sole that touches the ground, I may 45 00:02:06.150 --> 00:02:08.150 not require a sample. 46 00:02:08.150 --> 00:02:11.366 If you're not sure, please contact me via 47 00:02:11.366 --> 00:02:14.125 e-mail and we can discuss it. 48 00:02:14.126 --> 00:02:18.186 If you fall asleep or miss something 49 00:02:18.186 --> 00:02:22.246 during this webinar, it will be posted 50 00:02:22.246 --> 00:02:25.726 along with others eventually along with 51 00:02:25.726 --> 00:02:27.726 our website. 52 00:02:27.726 --> 00:02:29.726 Also, if you could, I would like you to 53 00:02:29.726 --> 00:02:31.726 hold your questions until the end. 54 00:02:31.726 --> 00:02:34.654 If you don't get to ask your question 55 00:02:34.654 --> 00:02:36.654 today, feel free to e-mail or talk to me 56 00:02:36.654 --> 00:02:38.654 at a later date. 57 00:02:38.654 --> 00:02:40.654 Uppers. 58 00:02:40.654 --> 00:02:42.654 What are they and where are they. 59 00:02:42.654 --> 00:02:44.654 What is a formed upper? 60 00:02:44.654 --> 00:02:47.245 What is and unformed upper? Why does it 61 00:02:47.777 --> 00:02:51.433 matter? I will talk about this and use 62 00:02:51.434 --> 00:02:54.278 three rulings as examples and talk a 63 00:02:54.281 --> 00:02:57.130 little bit about how being formed or 64 00:02:57.132 --> 00:02:59.566 unformed when importer can determine the 65 00:02:59.566 --> 00:03:02.814 country of origin, and a little about it 66 00:03:02.818 --> 00:03:06.070 for how the uppers should be marked when 67 00:03:06.071 --> 00:03:08.070 imported. 68 00:03:08.070 --> 00:03:10.944 What is an upper? The explanatory notes, 69 00:03:10.944 --> 00:03:12.944 General de Mack, the upper is the part of 70 00:03:12.944 --> 00:03:15.134 a shoe or boot up of the sole. 71 00:03:15.480 --> 00:03:19.152 The upper shall be considered to be that 72 00:03:19.154 --> 00:03:22.367 portion of the shoe, which covers the 73 00:03:22.368 --> 00:03:25.122 sides and top of the foot. 74 00:03:25.123 --> 00:03:27.405 The treasury decision 93-88 that gives all 75 00:03:27.405 --> 00:03:29.405 the footwear definitions states that the 76 00:03:29.405 --> 00:03:31.964 uppers the part of the shoe above the 77 00:03:31.967 --> 00:03:34.573 separate sole or that portion of the shoe, 78 00:03:34.573 --> 00:03:37.505 which covers the sides and top of the foot 79 00:03:37.505 --> 00:03:39.505 if there is no separate sole. 80 00:03:39.506 --> 00:03:44.596 In upper can cover the whole leg, thigh, 81 00:03:44.598 --> 00:03:47.808 hips, and even the chest. 82 00:03:47.809 --> 00:03:51.283 Think of fishing waiters. Here is an easy 83 00:03:51.283 --> 00:03:54.746 example. The black part is the upper and 84 00:03:54.749 --> 00:03:57.833 the white part is the outer sole unit. 85 00:03:57.836 --> 00:04:02.250 The tariff definition of a formed upper is 86 00:04:02.250 --> 00:04:06.114 listed in additional U.S. note 4 Chapter 87 00:04:06.114 --> 00:04:09.978 64 pair provides that for the provisions 88 00:04:09.978 --> 00:04:13.842 of sub heaven 6406.104 formed uppers cover 89 00:04:13.842 --> 00:04:17.152 uppers, with closed bottoms, which have 90 00:04:17.152 --> 00:04:20.464 been shaped by lasting, molding, or 91 00:04:20.464 --> 00:04:24.326 otherwise, but not simply by closing the 92 00:04:24.327 --> 00:04:26.326 bottom. 93 00:04:26.326 --> 00:04:28.796 The treasury decision provides that in 94 00:04:28.796 --> 00:04:30.796 general formed uppers include all items, 95 00:04:30.796 --> 00:04:32.796 which have a layer of material between 96 00:04:32.796 --> 00:04:36.346 most of the foot and the ground and which 97 00:04:36.430 --> 00:04:39.314 after lacing or buckling, if needed will 98 00:04:39.317 --> 00:04:43.025 stay on the foot if worn in the condition 99 00:04:43.030 --> 00:04:46.326 as imported and which are shaped to fit 100 00:04:46.330 --> 00:04:48.330 the human foot. 101 00:04:48.330 --> 00:04:50.330 . 102 00:04:50.330 --> 00:04:53.060 In regard to shaping by lasting, molding, 103 00:04:53.060 --> 00:04:55.060 or otherwise, an upper must have the shape 104 00:04:55.060 --> 00:04:57.687 of the foot with a portion of the upper 105 00:04:57.689 --> 00:05:00.418 bent inward toward the horizontal to be 106 00:05:00.419 --> 00:05:02.419 formed. 107 00:05:02.419 --> 00:05:05.863 In the presence of molded plastic heel 108 00:05:05.863 --> 00:05:07.863 counters, tow boxes or stiffeners, without 109 00:05:07.863 --> 00:05:10.487 a portion of the upper bent inward toward 110 00:05:11.147 --> 00:05:14.099 the horizontal, that does not necessarily 111 00:05:14.102 --> 00:05:16.562 constitute shaping and their presence 112 00:05:16.564 --> 00:05:20.008 alone does not result in classification as 113 00:05:20.012 --> 00:05:22.012 a formed upper. 114 00:05:22.012 --> 00:05:25.400 So why doesn't matter if an upper is 115 00:05:25.402 --> 00:05:27.402 formed or unformed. 116 00:05:27.402 --> 00:05:29.725 Formed uppers are classified in different 117 00:05:29.725 --> 00:05:33.532 places in the tariff, and they are usually 118 00:05:33.532 --> 00:05:36.386 more expensive to import than unformed 119 00:05:36.387 --> 00:05:38.386 upper's. 120 00:05:38.386 --> 00:05:43.281 The duty for formed uppers usually ranges 121 00:05:43.284 --> 00:05:50.620 between 6% and even $0.63 per pair plus 122 00:05:50.621 --> 00:05:57.040 26.2%. Unformed upper's are classified in 123 00:05:57.042 --> 00:06:00.710 the 6406.10.60 through 90. 124 00:06:00.711 --> 00:06:03.061 How do we get an upper to go from not 125 00:06:03.063 --> 00:06:05.063 having the shape of the fluid to having 126 00:06:05.063 --> 00:06:07.063 the shape of a foot? 127 00:06:07.063 --> 00:06:11.517 And other words from unformed to formed? 128 00:06:11.519 --> 00:06:15.751 The most traditional and common way is by 129 00:06:15.751 --> 00:06:17.751 lasting. 130 00:06:17.751 --> 00:06:20.514 Lasting is the process of stretching, 131 00:06:20.514 --> 00:06:22.514 shaking shaping, gluing, and nailing the 132 00:06:22.514 --> 00:06:24.588 boot leather around a shoe last. 133 00:06:24.589 --> 00:06:27.621 The shoe last is a mold that represents 134 00:06:27.625 --> 00:06:30.278 the shape and size of your foot. 135 00:06:30.281 --> 00:06:35.285 The last is a foot shaped form made of 136 00:06:35.287 --> 00:06:38.623 molded plastic, carved wood, cast aluminum 137 00:06:38.625 --> 00:06:41.961 or 3D printed plastic et cetera. 138 00:06:41.962 --> 00:06:44.530 They are designed into many different 139 00:06:44.530 --> 00:06:46.530 shapes and sizes. 140 00:06:46.530 --> 00:06:49.670 You could see the shapes here for men 141 00:06:49.670 --> 00:06:54.003 women and children. A some are for dress 142 00:06:54.004 --> 00:06:57.377 shoes. For instance,, the pointed toll, 143 00:06:57.378 --> 00:07:00.752 high heel, or for casual shoes even 144 00:07:00.753 --> 00:07:04.123 rockclimbing shoes like the one in red. 145 00:07:04.124 --> 00:07:07.393 The word, "last" comes from the old 146 00:07:07.393 --> 00:07:09.393 English word meaning footprint. 147 00:07:09.393 --> 00:07:11.998 The last the first shoe lasts were used by 148 00:07:12.001 --> 00:07:14.746 the Greeks and Romans all the way back in 149 00:07:14.747 --> 00:07:17.491 400 BC or before I started my career at 150 00:07:17.491 --> 00:07:19.490 customs. 151 00:07:19.490 --> 00:07:22.234 On the left is a woman's short, but last. 152 00:07:22.234 --> 00:07:24.359 On the right is a woman's high heel last. 153 00:07:26.052 --> 00:07:33.890 Here are some examples of men's lasts. 154 00:07:33.890 --> 00:07:36.929 The last is critical shape and fit of a 155 00:07:36.930 --> 00:07:40.309 shoe. It is used in all phases of the 156 00:07:40.312 --> 00:07:43.016 shoe making process and it sets the size, 157 00:07:43.016 --> 00:07:45.044 silhouette, and outline of the shoe. 158 00:07:45.045 --> 00:07:49.581 The last plays a central role for the 159 00:07:49.581 --> 00:07:52.413 entire production of the shoe. 160 00:07:52.415 --> 00:07:58.795 Here's a picture of a shoe on a last being 161 00:07:58.799 --> 00:08:01.989 worked on by a technician. 162 00:08:01.991 --> 00:08:04.925 The modern shoe last is not a replica of 163 00:08:04.925 --> 00:08:06.925 the human foot. 164 00:08:06.925 --> 00:08:09.093 It is a generalization of the human foot. 165 00:08:09.099 --> 00:08:13.279 It involves shoe makers, podiatrists, and 166 00:08:13.280 --> 00:08:15.371 kinesiologist's developing bio 167 00:08:15.371 --> 00:08:19.552 mechanically ideal shapes so foot movement 168 00:08:19.552 --> 00:08:23.733 and flexing are taken into account. 169 00:08:23.734 --> 00:08:26.534 Generally, two requirements must be met in 170 00:08:26.537 --> 00:08:29.337 order for the upper to be considered 171 00:08:29.340 --> 00:08:31.340 formed. 172 00:08:31.340 --> 00:08:33.930 The upper material must be shaped. 173 00:08:33.930 --> 00:08:35.930 Usually shaping is done by stretching on a 174 00:08:35.930 --> 00:08:37.930 last. 175 00:08:37.930 --> 00:08:39.930 And number 2, the bottoms must be 176 00:08:39.930 --> 00:08:41.930 completely closed. 177 00:08:41.930 --> 00:08:44.163 This sample has all the necessary 178 00:08:44.163 --> 00:08:46.163 requirements for classification as a 179 00:08:46.163 --> 00:08:48.163 formed upper. 180 00:08:48.163 --> 00:08:50.293 The item has been formed by lasting into 181 00:08:50.451 --> 00:08:54.379 the shape of the foot, a portion of the 182 00:08:54.380 --> 00:08:57.434 upper has been bent inwards toward the 183 00:08:57.436 --> 00:09:00.058 horizontal, and the bottom is closed. 184 00:09:00.058 --> 00:09:04.457 To review, formed uppers are classified in 185 00:09:04.460 --> 00:09:10.119 6406 dot 10 dot zero five through 6406 dot 186 00:09:10.126 --> 00:09:12.126 10 dot 50. 187 00:09:12.126 --> 00:09:15.713 Here is an example of a form to boot upper 188 00:09:15.713 --> 00:09:17.923 that has been shaped and closed. 189 00:09:17.930 --> 00:09:26.006 Here you see the bottom of that sample. 190 00:09:26.012 --> 00:09:28.012 Sometimes, footwear is formed with the 191 00:09:28.012 --> 00:09:30.012 Strobel stitching. 192 00:09:30.012 --> 00:09:33.592 Here is the image of a Strobel sock in the 193 00:09:33.592 --> 00:09:35.592 construction of a shoe. 194 00:09:35.592 --> 00:09:37.592 In this instance since the Strobel socket 195 00:09:37.592 --> 00:09:39.592 is completely sewn to the bottom of each 196 00:09:39.592 --> 00:09:41.592 upper, and the upper has been curved or 197 00:09:41.592 --> 00:09:44.037 formed around the foot, we would say these 198 00:09:44.038 --> 00:09:46.038 uppers have closed bottoms. 199 00:09:46.038 --> 00:09:48.142 The Strobel requires the upper material to 200 00:09:48.142 --> 00:09:50.142 be sung to a fabric bottom creating a 201 00:09:50.142 --> 00:09:52.142 sock. 202 00:09:52.142 --> 00:09:55.506 The upper and bottom are joined by a 203 00:09:55.506 --> 00:09:57.506 Strobel stitch, using a Strobel machine. 204 00:09:57.506 --> 00:09:59.898 Oaf and a board will be used instead of a 205 00:10:00.723 --> 00:10:03.551 Strobel because the shoe will become more 206 00:10:03.553 --> 00:10:06.381 stable and less flexible compared with a 207 00:10:06.382 --> 00:10:08.382 Strobel lasting. 208 00:10:08.382 --> 00:10:12.918 The presence of an intact Strobel sock or 209 00:10:12.918 --> 00:10:17.208 insulating liner alone will not, by 210 00:10:17.211 --> 00:10:20.789 itself, constitute a closed bottom. 211 00:10:20.790 --> 00:10:24.024 Contrary to a formed upper, in unmolested 212 00:10:24.024 --> 00:10:27.705 is an unformed Ulster upper one that is 213 00:10:27.710 --> 00:10:31.403 completely on lasted no part of it has 214 00:10:31.404 --> 00:10:34.638 been bent or lasted inward to the 215 00:10:34.641 --> 00:10:37.866 horizontal and is only receive the limited 216 00:10:37.866 --> 00:10:41.089 shaping from simply closing at the bottom. 217 00:10:41.098 --> 00:10:46.137 It is unformed. 218 00:10:46.140 --> 00:10:49.680 Unformed uppers again classified under 219 00:10:49.680 --> 00:10:55.340 6406 dot 10 dot 60 through dot 90. 220 00:10:55.342 --> 00:10:59.402 If the whole is cut in the bottom of a 221 00:10:59.404 --> 00:11:01.840 completely formed upper, that upper does 222 00:11:01.841 --> 00:11:05.089 not have a closed bottom and therefore it 223 00:11:05.091 --> 00:11:08.339 is not a formed upper for tariff clefts 224 00:11:08.341 --> 00:11:10.341 classification purposes. 225 00:11:10.341 --> 00:11:13.291 Here is a good example of an upper that is 226 00:11:13.291 --> 00:11:15.291 not formed. 227 00:11:15.291 --> 00:11:18.190 It may have a whole that is larger than a 228 00:11:18.190 --> 00:11:22.590 nickel and/or does not have the same the 229 00:11:22.590 --> 00:11:24.790 shape of a foot. 230 00:11:24.791 --> 00:11:27.485 And unformed upper is an upper with a 231 00:11:27.486 --> 00:11:30.519 significant sized hole. It has to be a 232 00:11:30.521 --> 00:11:33.217 nickel size or larger larger in the bottom 233 00:11:33.218 --> 00:11:35.914 layer whether or not the upper is fully 234 00:11:35.916 --> 00:11:37.916 formed or lasted. 235 00:11:37.916 --> 00:11:39.993 However, it is considered formed if the 236 00:11:39.993 --> 00:11:43.055 piece which will cover the opening is 237 00:11:43.056 --> 00:11:46.120 imported in the same shipment as the 238 00:11:46.121 --> 00:11:48.121 upper. 239 00:11:48.121 --> 00:11:52.606 This sample was the subject of rolling N. 240 00:11:52.608 --> 00:11:54.875 318 '08 zero. 241 00:11:54.877 --> 00:11:58.567 The style upper has a big hole cut through 242 00:11:58.567 --> 00:12:01.844 the insole board and waterproof booty. A 243 00:12:01.845 --> 00:12:05.124 shank is attached, but does not block the 244 00:12:05.124 --> 00:12:08.814 whole. That hovers just above the hole. 245 00:12:08.814 --> 00:12:12.092 The shank has a rubber and plastic foam 246 00:12:12.092 --> 00:12:14.961 piece slightly larger than the whole which 247 00:12:14.962 --> 00:12:18.241 is attached to the shank at the heel. 248 00:12:18.241 --> 00:12:20.951 Which classification would be correct? 249 00:12:20.951 --> 00:12:25.509 Would be a formed upper or an unformed 250 00:12:25.509 --> 00:12:27.508 upper. 251 00:12:27.508 --> 00:12:30.061 Although the upper has been shaped by 252 00:12:30.061 --> 00:12:32.061 lasting, it is not considered a formed 253 00:12:32.061 --> 00:12:34.106 upper because it has a large hole cut 254 00:12:34.108 --> 00:12:36.661 through all the materials making up the 255 00:12:36.661 --> 00:12:38.661 bottom. 256 00:12:38.661 --> 00:12:41.424 The correct classification would be in 257 00:12:41.424 --> 00:12:46.555 6406 dot 10 dot 65 as unformed. 258 00:12:46.556 --> 00:12:49.388 In this example, there is an upper that 259 00:12:49.389 --> 00:12:52.221 was shaped to fit the foot by molding. 260 00:12:52.222 --> 00:12:55.144 The molding process that produced the 261 00:12:55.144 --> 00:12:58.553 upper in part is substantial shaping and 262 00:12:58.553 --> 00:13:02.936 finishing and it will stay on the foot if 263 00:13:02.936 --> 00:13:05.858 worn in the condition as inputted 264 00:13:05.858 --> 00:13:07.858 imported. 265 00:13:07.858 --> 00:13:11.226 Fully shaped by molding a portion has been 266 00:13:11.226 --> 00:13:13.226 bent inward toward the horizontal and the 267 00:13:13.226 --> 00:13:15.226 bottom is significantly closed. 268 00:13:15.226 --> 00:13:17.320 The underfoot has a three-quarter inch 269 00:13:17.323 --> 00:13:21.307 diameter round hole that has been cut out. 270 00:13:21.308 --> 00:13:25.628 The bottom of the incident upper is not 271 00:13:25.631 --> 00:13:29.411 closed because of the nickel sized hole. 272 00:13:29.413 --> 00:13:33.382 As a result, the instant upper is not a 273 00:13:33.384 --> 00:13:35.384 formed upper. 274 00:13:35.384 --> 00:13:38.174 Here are some more samples of a hole cut 275 00:13:38.174 --> 00:13:40.174 into the bottom of a completely formed 276 00:13:40.174 --> 00:13:42.174 upper. 277 00:13:42.174 --> 00:13:44.399 The uppers do not have a closed bottom and 278 00:13:45.344 --> 00:13:48.569 for classification purposes cannot be 279 00:13:48.570 --> 00:13:51.150 considered a formed upper. 280 00:13:51.150 --> 00:13:54.979 Here we see, again, a round hole 281 00:13:54.979 --> 00:13:58.798 completely through and it would also be 282 00:13:58.802 --> 00:14:00.986 considered an unformed upper. 283 00:14:00.988 --> 00:14:06.148 In this example the subjects of rolling N. 284 00:14:06.148 --> 00:14:11.306 308813 the upper has a forfeit and that 285 00:14:11.306 --> 00:14:13.305 he'll. 286 00:14:13.305 --> 00:14:16.051 It is not side lasted however. 287 00:14:16.051 --> 00:14:18.275 Has the shape of the imparted by the 288 00:14:19.629 --> 00:14:23.941 lasting forefront and heal over a sock 289 00:14:23.945 --> 00:14:27.641 lining and a rigid insole board. 290 00:14:27.644 --> 00:14:33.828 There is a large hole cut through the 291 00:14:33.828 --> 00:14:37.680 insole board near the heel. 292 00:14:37.688 --> 00:14:41.836 The issue is whether this is an it this is 293 00:14:41.838 --> 00:14:43.913 a form door unformed upper. 294 00:14:43.915 --> 00:14:46.310 The importer suggested a classification 295 00:14:46.310 --> 00:14:48.310 for an unformed upper. 296 00:14:48.310 --> 00:14:51.034 However, even though there is a large hole 297 00:14:51.036 --> 00:14:53.844 cut through the insole bore board near the 298 00:14:53.846 --> 00:14:56.303 heel the opening does not extend through 299 00:14:56.305 --> 00:14:58.762 the sock lining and is considered closed 300 00:14:58.764 --> 00:15:00.764 and a formed upper. 301 00:15:00.764 --> 00:15:03.483 Therefore the correct classification would 302 00:15:03.484 --> 00:15:09.451 be in 6406 dot 10 dot 60 for formed 303 00:15:09.452 --> 00:15:11.452 uppers. 304 00:15:11.452 --> 00:15:13.945 These also. 305 00:15:13.946 --> 00:15:17.114 Or these formed or unformed? The criteria 306 00:15:17.117 --> 00:15:19.889 of a formed upper's last anger shaping 307 00:15:19.892 --> 00:15:22.664 toward the horizontal and it has something 308 00:15:22.667 --> 00:15:25.835 inside covering the whole that is cut out 309 00:15:25.838 --> 00:15:27.838 of the heel. 310 00:15:27.838 --> 00:15:32.201 Here is an inside view of the covering of 311 00:15:32.204 --> 00:15:34.204 the holes. 312 00:15:34.204 --> 00:15:36.858 The answer is that it is a formed upper. 313 00:15:36.858 --> 00:15:39.673 There is a closing with a lining on the 314 00:15:40.524 --> 00:15:44.031 bottom although there is a whole the 315 00:15:44.034 --> 00:15:47.040 opening is not substantial enough to 316 00:15:47.043 --> 00:15:49.047 constitute an unformed upper. 317 00:15:49.049 --> 00:15:54.242 Here in H. 165759, the underside has a few 318 00:15:54.242 --> 00:15:57.700 holes cut out of the bottom. 319 00:15:57.703 --> 00:16:00.519 This textile boot upper has one layer of 320 00:16:00.520 --> 00:16:02.984 material sewn to the top of the 321 00:16:02.984 --> 00:16:05.448 interlining. Another outer layer is sewn 322 00:16:05.449 --> 00:16:07.561 to the bottom of the upper. 323 00:16:07.561 --> 00:16:09.731 There are holes each approximately one and 324 00:16:09.734 --> 00:16:12.524 one eighth inch in diameter cut out of the 325 00:16:12.529 --> 00:16:14.699 bottom or outer layer of the upper. 326 00:16:14.702 --> 00:16:19.390 The inner layer of the upper is complete. 327 00:16:19.390 --> 00:16:23.206 Two of these holes are covered by adhesive 328 00:16:23.210 --> 00:16:26.549 tape and the other to remain open. 329 00:16:26.552 --> 00:16:29.468 However, they were just perforations, not 330 00:16:29.470 --> 00:16:32.386 completely cut through and our flaps. 331 00:16:32.388 --> 00:16:36.500 You cannot see it from these from this 332 00:16:36.503 --> 00:16:40.615 picture, but that is what the ruling said. 333 00:16:40.619 --> 00:16:43.258 Our apartment the issue here is whether 334 00:16:43.258 --> 00:16:45.896 the instant boo uppers are classified as 335 00:16:45.896 --> 00:16:49.665 formed upper's and 64 '06 dot 10 dot 40 or 336 00:16:49.665 --> 00:16:52.304 as footwear uppers and subheading 6406 dot 337 00:16:52.305 --> 00:16:55.320 10 dot 90. Headquarters found that the 338 00:16:55.320 --> 00:16:57.958 holes in the uppers are not substantial 339 00:16:57.958 --> 00:16:59.958 openings. 340 00:16:59.958 --> 00:17:03.885 These blue uppers are therefore formed 341 00:17:03.887 --> 00:17:10.362 uppers and under subheading 6406 dot 10. 342 00:17:10.364 --> 00:17:12.618 Another area of concern in the previous 343 00:17:12.621 --> 00:17:14.875 year with the proper marking of these 344 00:17:14.879 --> 00:17:16.879 uppers. 345 00:17:16.879 --> 00:17:19.982 Here are a few rulings and their 346 00:17:19.985 --> 00:17:24.083 explanations of the marking of uppers. 347 00:17:24.086 --> 00:17:30.470 What is the country of origin of footwear 348 00:17:30.470 --> 00:17:32.470 manufactured. 349 00:17:32.470 --> 00:17:35.286 Let me start that all over. 350 00:17:35.286 --> 00:17:37.286 What is the country of origin of footwear 351 00:17:37.286 --> 00:17:39.864 manufactured in Korea using uppers sewn in 352 00:17:39.939 --> 00:17:41.938 China. 353 00:17:41.938 --> 00:17:45.296 A man's over the ankle lace up shoe with a 354 00:17:45.296 --> 00:17:47.296 leather leather upper which was sown in 355 00:17:47.296 --> 00:17:49.296 China is completely open at the bottom and 356 00:17:49.296 --> 00:17:51.296 has not been lasted. 357 00:17:51.296 --> 00:17:54.492 The uppers will be exported to Korea where 358 00:17:55.061 --> 00:17:59.427 they will be subject of lasting and 359 00:17:59.428 --> 00:18:03.794 combined with bottoms of Korean origin to 360 00:18:03.794 --> 00:18:07.537 produce complete footwear which will be 361 00:18:07.538 --> 00:18:10.032 exported into the U.S.. 362 00:18:10.032 --> 00:18:14.517 Wen now let me just. 363 00:18:14.517 --> 00:18:16.517 . 364 00:18:16.517 --> 00:18:20.841 What is the country of origin of the 365 00:18:20.841 --> 00:18:22.841 completed footwear. 366 00:18:22.841 --> 00:18:25.801 The uppers or completely open and have no 367 00:18:25.807 --> 00:18:28.894 shape, they are not complete footwear, nor 368 00:18:28.895 --> 00:18:31.982 do they have the appearance of footwear. 369 00:18:31.982 --> 00:18:35.222 Accordingly, the assembly of the uppers 370 00:18:35.222 --> 00:18:39.002 sewn in China with bottoms of Korean 371 00:18:39.002 --> 00:18:41.162 origin constitutes a substantial 372 00:18:41.163 --> 00:18:43.863 transformation of these footwear parts 373 00:18:43.863 --> 00:18:47.103 into finished footwear, which is the 374 00:18:47.103 --> 00:18:49.103 product of Korea. 375 00:18:49.103 --> 00:18:51.321 In order for a substantial transformation 376 00:18:51.321 --> 00:18:55.207 to be found, an article having a new name, 377 00:18:55.210 --> 00:18:58.238 character, and use must emerge from the 378 00:18:58.239 --> 00:19:00.239 processing. 379 00:19:00.239 --> 00:19:02.449 In this instance, the combining of the 380 00:19:02.452 --> 00:19:05.151 unformed upper's with the unattached 381 00:19:05.153 --> 00:19:07.853 bottoms in Korea, undergo additional 382 00:19:07.853 --> 00:19:10.553 processes, and constitute a substantial 383 00:19:10.554 --> 00:19:12.554 transformation. 384 00:19:12.554 --> 00:19:14.930 This resulted in a new and different 385 00:19:14.931 --> 00:19:18.767 article having a new name and use. 386 00:19:18.768 --> 00:19:27.428 That is, uppers to footwear. 387 00:19:27.429 --> 00:19:30.973 In the case of Uniroyal versus the United 388 00:19:30.973 --> 00:19:33.624 States, the court of international trade 389 00:19:33.627 --> 00:19:36.725 studied whether the addition of an out 390 00:19:36.727 --> 00:19:39.827 sole in the United States to imported 391 00:19:39.828 --> 00:19:42.481 uppers lasted in Indonesia changed the 392 00:19:42.482 --> 00:19:44.697 fundamental character of the imported 393 00:19:44.697 --> 00:19:46.697 article. 394 00:19:46.697 --> 00:19:50.185 After examining the imported upper in the 395 00:19:50.185 --> 00:19:52.185 finished shoe, the court concluded that 396 00:19:52.185 --> 00:19:54.572 the imported upper did not lose its 397 00:19:55.128 --> 00:19:58.122 distinct identity in the finished shoe, 398 00:19:58.125 --> 00:20:02.117 and to the contrary, was the very essence 399 00:20:02.121 --> 00:20:04.121 of completed footwear. 400 00:20:04.121 --> 00:20:06.962 This was so even though the imported upper 401 00:20:06.962 --> 00:20:10.300 could not be sold at retail without the 402 00:20:10.302 --> 00:20:12.808 rubber outsole being attached, and even 403 00:20:12.809 --> 00:20:15.317 though following attachment of the rubber 404 00:20:15.317 --> 00:20:18.239 outsole, the shoe was called by a 405 00:20:18.239 --> 00:20:21.160 different name, a deck issue, rather than 406 00:20:21.163 --> 00:20:23.252 an upper or a moccasin. 407 00:20:23.254 --> 00:20:26.263 The Uniroyal upper lacking an outsole 408 00:20:26.263 --> 00:20:29.774 would not be considered as having the 409 00:20:29.776 --> 00:20:32.285 essential character of completed footwear 410 00:20:32.285 --> 00:20:35.296 described in headings 6401 through 6405 411 00:20:35.296 --> 00:20:37.806 since classification as footwear under 412 00:20:37.806 --> 00:20:41.319 those headings require the presence of the 413 00:20:41.319 --> 00:20:43.325 both soles and uppers. 414 00:20:43.326 --> 00:20:50.564 The country of origin of the uppers 415 00:20:50.566 --> 00:20:52.634 remains Korea. 416 00:20:52.634 --> 00:20:56.260 Country of origin and marking of footwear 417 00:20:56.260 --> 00:20:58.260 uppers from China. 418 00:20:58.260 --> 00:21:02.986 This sample of a boot upper with the 419 00:21:02.986 --> 00:21:06.215 subject of ruling and 328994. 420 00:21:06.219 --> 00:21:09.802 The boot upper a large hole cut through 421 00:21:09.802 --> 00:21:12.038 the bottom of the upper. 422 00:21:12.040 --> 00:21:15.652 The photographs show a man's above the 423 00:21:15.654 --> 00:21:19.266 ankle full grain leather lace where upper. 424 00:21:19.267 --> 00:21:22.900 The workgroup style upper is shaped by 425 00:21:22.902 --> 00:21:26.016 lasting and sewing and includes a 426 00:21:26.018 --> 00:21:29.132 fiberboard insole and a rubber midsole. 427 00:21:29.134 --> 00:21:31.899 there is a textile label depicting an 428 00:21:31.899 --> 00:21:35.055 American flag sewn in on the lateral side 429 00:21:35.056 --> 00:21:37.056 of the foot portion. 430 00:21:37.057 --> 00:21:39.755 A nickel sized hole is cut through the 431 00:21:39.755 --> 00:21:42.865 midsole or insole in the heel section of 432 00:21:42.868 --> 00:21:44.869 the upper. 433 00:21:44.869 --> 00:21:47.657 Is shaped footwear uppers having holes 434 00:21:47.657 --> 00:21:49.696 approximately the size of a nickel or 435 00:21:49.698 --> 00:21:52.953 larger at the bottom are not considered 436 00:21:52.956 --> 00:21:54.956 closed and considered unformed. 437 00:21:54.956 --> 00:21:57.648 There is no outer sole attached to this 438 00:21:57.648 --> 00:21:59.648 unformed upper. 439 00:21:59.648 --> 00:22:02.867 It will be sourced from China. 440 00:22:02.867 --> 00:22:04.867 Further processing and finishing such as 441 00:22:04.867 --> 00:22:07.902 plugging in closing the uppers bottom, and 442 00:22:08.153 --> 00:22:11.183 attaching an outer sole, cleaning and 443 00:22:11.184 --> 00:22:14.719 packaging will be done in the U.S.. 444 00:22:14.720 --> 00:22:17.936 What is the proper marking of this upper. 445 00:22:17.936 --> 00:22:21.417 While the the Code of Federal Regulations 446 00:22:21.417 --> 00:22:24.902 defines country of origin is the country 447 00:22:24.906 --> 00:22:27.894 of manufacture, production, or growth of 448 00:22:27.894 --> 00:22:31.380 any article of foreign origin and turning 449 00:22:31.381 --> 00:22:33.381 entering the United States. 450 00:22:33.381 --> 00:22:35.865 Further work or material added to an 451 00:22:35.869 --> 00:22:38.361 article in another country must effect a 452 00:22:38.364 --> 00:22:40.364 substantial transformation in order to 453 00:22:40.364 --> 00:22:42.636 render such other country at the country 454 00:22:42.642 --> 00:22:45.490 of origin within the meaning of this part. 455 00:22:45.494 --> 00:22:49.088 Based on the information submitted, noting 456 00:22:49.088 --> 00:22:51.475 the manufacturing processes including 457 00:22:51.480 --> 00:22:55.670 shaping and lasting taking place in China, 458 00:22:55.670 --> 00:23:00.459 the country of origin of the upper is 459 00:23:00.460 --> 00:23:02.461 China. 460 00:23:02.461 --> 00:23:04.584 Inasmuch as marking requirements of 19 USC 461 00:23:04.585 --> 00:23:08.113 are applicable only to articles of foreign 462 00:23:08.114 --> 00:23:11.642 origin, we agree the unformed upper's will 463 00:23:11.643 --> 00:23:14.667 be excepted from the marking requirements 464 00:23:14.668 --> 00:23:19.204 of 19 USC 1304 and should be exempt from 465 00:23:19.204 --> 00:23:21.724 any country of origin marking 466 00:23:21.725 --> 00:23:23.725 requirements. 467 00:23:23.725 --> 00:23:26.349 Of the containers in which the uppers will 468 00:23:26.352 --> 00:23:29.442 be shipped however should be clearly 469 00:23:29.445 --> 00:23:32.020 marked as made in China. 470 00:23:32.022 --> 00:23:35.638 In other words, if the uppers will be 471 00:23:35.639 --> 00:23:37.899 further processed, they individually do 472 00:23:37.899 --> 00:23:40.159 not need to be marked. 473 00:23:40.160 --> 00:23:45.529 However, the carton in which they are 474 00:23:45.531 --> 00:23:50.133 imported to the manufacturer should be 475 00:23:50.135 --> 00:23:52.135 marked. 476 00:23:52.135 --> 00:23:54.826 The story behind this sample illustrates 477 00:23:54.826 --> 00:23:58.093 the concepts of simple assembly. 478 00:23:58.095 --> 00:24:00.957 Unformed upper's are made from various 479 00:24:00.957 --> 00:24:02.957 materials originating in nonoriginating 480 00:24:02.957 --> 00:24:06.194 countries. They are manufactured into a 481 00:24:06.198 --> 00:24:09.059 formed upper and the Dominican Republic, 482 00:24:09.060 --> 00:24:12.394 with which we have a trade program. 483 00:24:12.394 --> 00:24:15.299 Leather is imported from the United States 484 00:24:15.300 --> 00:24:18.205 to the Dominican Republic where it is 485 00:24:18.207 --> 00:24:21.112 tanned, cut to shape, and sewn together 486 00:24:21.113 --> 00:24:23.603 using thread from the U.S. Reinforcers 487 00:24:23.605 --> 00:24:26.510 imported from China are attached to the 488 00:24:26.511 --> 00:24:29.416 upper with adhesives sourced from the U.S. 489 00:24:29.418 --> 00:24:31.418 and Brazil. 490 00:24:31.418 --> 00:24:34.234 The toe box and counter are from Great 491 00:24:34.234 --> 00:24:36.234 Britain. 492 00:24:36.234 --> 00:24:38.234 At the upper is lasted and formed using 493 00:24:38.234 --> 00:24:40.234 heat and stapled to an insole board. 494 00:24:40.234 --> 00:24:43.630 The upper takes the shape of the foot in 495 00:24:43.630 --> 00:24:46.978 the Dominican republic and is considered 496 00:24:46.981 --> 00:24:50.892 to have the very essence of completed 497 00:24:50.893 --> 00:24:52.893 footwear. 498 00:24:52.893 --> 00:24:55.892 Here we have the formed upper with a 499 00:24:55.893 --> 00:24:57.893 completely closed bottom. 500 00:24:57.893 --> 00:25:00.344 This formed upper is shipped to Puerto 501 00:25:00.345 --> 00:25:02.345 Rico. 502 00:25:02.345 --> 00:25:05.146 , which is U.S. After importation, the 503 00:25:05.146 --> 00:25:08.917 outer sole is attached, trimmed, and 504 00:25:08.919 --> 00:25:12.692 polished, the footbed isn't started, and 505 00:25:12.692 --> 00:25:17.095 the shoelace and hangtags are attached and 506 00:25:17.095 --> 00:25:19.095 boxed up. 507 00:25:19.095 --> 00:25:22.080 Here's a sample of the outer sole attached 508 00:25:22.082 --> 00:25:24.082 in Puerto Rico. 509 00:25:24.082 --> 00:25:28.128 What is the proper marking of this upper. 510 00:25:28.131 --> 00:25:33.235 The attachment of the outer sole to the 511 00:25:33.235 --> 00:25:37.056 formed upper is considered assembly and 512 00:25:37.060 --> 00:25:39.060 not substantial transformation. 513 00:25:39.060 --> 00:25:42.073 Therefore, the Dominican Republic would be 514 00:25:42.075 --> 00:25:45.693 the acceptable country of origin for the 515 00:25:45.693 --> 00:25:49.828 marking of each of the formed uppers and 516 00:25:49.828 --> 00:25:52.930 each boot of the completed pair. 517 00:25:52.931 --> 00:25:56.800 As provided in Section 134.41 the country 518 00:25:56.800 --> 00:25:59.565 of origin marking is considered 519 00:25:59.565 --> 00:26:02.883 conspicuous if the ultimate purchaser in 520 00:26:02.883 --> 00:26:07.307 the U.S. can find the marking easily and 521 00:26:07.307 --> 00:26:09.517 read it without strain. 522 00:26:09.518 --> 00:26:12.350 In order to ensure that the marking is 523 00:26:12.350 --> 00:26:14.468 conspicuous, the country of origin must 524 00:26:14.471 --> 00:26:16.945 appear on each shoe in a pair. 525 00:26:16.946 --> 00:26:18.946 Not just one. 526 00:26:18.946 --> 00:26:23.501 If the marking on the tongue, inside the 527 00:26:23.501 --> 00:26:27.491 shaft, footbed, or external area is not 528 00:26:27.491 --> 00:26:30.338 legible, indelible, or permanent enough, 529 00:26:30.340 --> 00:26:32.619 hangtags may be used. 530 00:26:32.620 --> 00:26:36.638 They must be attached in a conspicuous 531 00:26:36.638 --> 00:26:41.226 place and in a manner which assures that 532 00:26:41.228 --> 00:26:44.096 unless deliberately removed, they will 533 00:26:44.097 --> 00:26:48.689 remain on the article until it reaches the 534 00:26:48.689 --> 00:26:50.689 ultimate purchaser. 535 00:26:50.689 --> 00:26:57.287 So, now I am free to take any questions 536 00:26:57.287 --> 00:27:00.595 that you may have. 537 00:27:00.597 --> 00:27:05.415 >>: They asked if you go back to the HDS 538 00:27:05.418 --> 00:27:08.046 classification slide I believe that was 539 00:27:08.047 --> 00:27:10.047 slide 29. 540 00:27:10.047 --> 00:27:12.995 STACEY KALKINE: 29? 541 00:27:12.996 --> 00:27:16.525 Okay. 542 00:27:16.526 --> 00:27:19.374 That is slower than what I was doing. 543 00:27:19.374 --> 00:27:26.284 Here it is. Formed uppers. Formed uppers 544 00:27:26.287 --> 00:27:30.895 and unformed upper's are pretty close 545 00:27:30.897 --> 00:27:36.273 together in the tariff but the formed 546 00:27:36.275 --> 00:27:40.883 uppers come first they are classified 547 00:27:40.885 --> 00:27:45.493 through 64 oh 64041005 through 64061050. 548 00:27:45.495 --> 00:27:53.793 And that actually says formed uppers 549 00:27:53.793 --> 00:28:02.085 unformed upper's are classified in 6406 550 00:28:02.087 --> 00:28:15.909 dot 10 dot 60 through 6406 dot 90 dot 90. 551 00:28:15.912 --> 00:28:21.150 I am trying to see if we have any 552 00:28:21.154 --> 00:28:23.154 questions. 553 00:28:23.154 --> 00:28:28.015 Does anybody else see any questions that 554 00:28:28.018 --> 00:28:30.018 they need. 555 00:28:30.018 --> 00:28:32.101 SANDRA WALIA: There were no other 556 00:28:32.102 --> 00:28:35.045 questions in the chat box that I can see. 557 00:28:35.045 --> 00:28:37.093 STACEY KALKINE: 558 00:28:37.093 --> 00:28:41.333 SANDRA WALIA: They asked if you could 559 00:28:41.337 --> 00:28:43.337 show slide 23. 560 00:28:43.337 --> 00:28:53.007 STACEY KALKINE: Slide 23. That talks 561 00:28:53.007 --> 00:29:04.342 about the last and how it is a major 562 00:29:04.344 --> 00:29:11.901 component to all the shoe making 563 00:29:11.902 --> 00:29:13.902 processes. 564 00:29:13.902 --> 00:29:16.834 SANDRA WALIA: What is the ruling number 565 00:29:16.838 --> 00:29:20.510 of the Dominican shoe sent to Puerto Rico. 566 00:29:20.513 --> 00:29:28.417 STACEY KALKINE: That is near the end. 567 00:29:28.417 --> 00:29:35.007 I believe it is N324988. 568 00:29:35.007 --> 00:29:41.690 Just go to the Google cross rulings. 569 00:29:41.690 --> 00:29:52.930 You could Google formed uppers or in 570 00:29:52.930 --> 00:29:54.930 cross. 571 00:29:54.930 --> 00:29:58.135 SANDRA WALIA: There is a question if you 572 00:29:58.142 --> 00:30:00.146 could please show slide 31. 573 00:30:00.150 --> 00:30:11.238 STACEY KALKINE: Slide 31 coming up. 574 00:30:11.238 --> 00:30:16.721 It shows the Strobel stitching. 575 00:30:16.721 --> 00:30:20.209 Made on a Strobel machine. 576 00:30:20.209 --> 00:30:24.925 It closes the bottom of the shoe that has 577 00:30:24.926 --> 00:30:27.546 hopefully lasted toward the horizontal. 578 00:30:27.547 --> 00:30:29.547 SANDRA WALIA: You have a question. 579 00:30:29.547 --> 00:30:33.379 If and unformed upper that has no lasting 580 00:30:33.379 --> 00:30:36.258 or shape considered leather parts of 581 00:30:36.261 --> 00:30:38.261 footwear in Chapter 42? 582 00:30:38.261 --> 00:30:40.661 STACEY KALKINE: Yes, as in unformed upper 583 00:30:40.661 --> 00:30:42.661 if it is complete. 584 00:30:42.661 --> 00:30:46.474 If it is only part of the upper, I guess 585 00:30:46.479 --> 00:30:49.685 it would still be there, too, yes. 586 00:30:49.685 --> 00:30:51.685 Unformed upper. 587 00:30:51.685 --> 00:30:53.685 SANDRA WALIA: Of another question. 588 00:30:53.685 --> 00:30:57.045 Kindly go over again with the individual 589 00:30:57.045 --> 00:30:59.428 paid needs to be marked with the country 590 00:30:59.428 --> 00:31:03.264 of origin and win the container just needs 591 00:31:03.265 --> 00:31:06.144 to be marked with the E. 592 00:31:06.145 --> 00:31:09.684 STACEY KALKINE: When something is going 593 00:31:09.684 --> 00:31:13.729 to be consumed or used in manufacturing an 594 00:31:13.731 --> 00:31:17.272 article, I guess the ultimate purchaser in 595 00:31:17.272 --> 00:31:21.317 that case when it is considered like the 596 00:31:21.319 --> 00:31:24.353 factory and not the ultimate consumer, 597 00:31:24.354 --> 00:31:27.893 like the person wearing the shoe, then 598 00:31:27.894 --> 00:31:31.435 just the outer carton going to the 599 00:31:31.435 --> 00:31:33.963 manufacturer has to be marked. 600 00:31:33.964 --> 00:31:37.676 Particularly when it is going to have an 601 00:31:37.676 --> 00:31:41.388 outer sole put on or something else is 602 00:31:41.388 --> 00:31:45.561 going to happen to it that is going to 603 00:31:45.563 --> 00:31:48.346 give it another name or purpose. 604 00:31:48.347 --> 00:31:50.347 SANDRA WALIA: Someone is asking for your 605 00:31:50.347 --> 00:31:52.347 e-mail. 606 00:31:52.347 --> 00:31:56.069 I can put that for them in the chat box I 607 00:31:56.074 --> 00:31:58.322 have it right here. 608 00:31:58.324 --> 00:32:01.708 STACEY KALKINE: That is the next slide. 609 00:32:01.710 --> 00:32:06.038 SANDRA WALIA: Someone is asking if you 610 00:32:06.038 --> 00:32:08.730 could please show slide 73. 611 00:32:08.738 --> 00:32:11.454 STACEY KALKINE: I am glad you wrote the 612 00:32:11.454 --> 00:32:13.454 slide numbers down. 613 00:32:13.454 --> 00:32:15.978 That is very helpful. 614 00:32:15.985 --> 00:32:24.588 Country of origin defines the country of 615 00:32:24.589 --> 00:32:31.963 manufacture, production or growth of any 616 00:32:31.965 --> 00:32:39.339 article of foreign origin entering the 617 00:32:39.340 --> 00:32:41.340 U.S. 618 00:32:41.340 --> 00:32:44.449 SANDRA WALIA: That is all I see at this 619 00:32:44.450 --> 00:32:46.450 time as far as questions. 620 00:32:46.450 --> 00:32:58.094 STACEY KALKINE: If anybody needs any more 621 00:32:58.098 --> 00:33:08.339 questions answered, you can reach me at 622 00:33:08.342 --> 00:33:18.583 Stacey dot Cal Keynes at@CBP dot DHS.gov. 623 00:33:18.586 --> 00:33:23.346 Now my task is to think of the next topic. 624 00:33:23.350 --> 00:33:28.110 If anybody can think of a topic that you 625 00:33:28.114 --> 00:33:32.874 would like to here me do next time, I will 626 00:33:32.877 --> 00:33:36.209 see if I can make that happen. 627 00:33:36.212 --> 00:33:39.308 SANDRA WALIA: Thank you Stacey. At this 628 00:33:39.308 --> 00:33:41.369 concludes our webinar for this afternoon. 629 00:33:41.371 --> 00:33:45.570 Thank you for joining us and enjoy the 630 00:33:45.570 --> 00:33:47.660 rest of your day. 631 00:33:47.666 --> 00:34:16.388 STACEY KALKINE: Thank you very much. 632 00:34:20.864 --> 00:34:22.864 (CONCLUDED AT 2:07 PM)