WEBVTT 00:00:27.967 --> 00:00:32.061 POLLICHINO, STEVEN Good afternoon, everybody, and welcome to this webinar. 00:00:33.033 --> 00:00:35.320 POLLICHINO, STEVEN My name is Steve Pollicino. 00:00:35.320 --> 00:00:37.500 POLLICHINO, STEVEN I am and I asked 209. 00:00:39.056 --> 00:00:43.743 POLLICHINO, STEVEN Today we'll be talking about heading 8517. 00:00:44.893 --> 00:00:46.660 POLLICHINO, STEVEN We had reached out to our. 00:00:47.433 --> 00:00:49.910 POLLICHINO, STEVEN Failed import specialists and the seed to see 00:00:49.910 --> 00:00:52.750 what topics they want to cover wanted to covered. 00:00:52.750 --> 00:00:58.240 POLLICHINO, STEVEN And a request was made that we cover heading 8517 again 00:00:58.271 --> 00:00:59.781 because I did it last year. 00:01:00.627 --> 00:01:02.827 POLLICHINO, STEVEN Umm, but it's still our hottest. 00:01:02.827 --> 00:01:07.633 My hottest heading gets the most action, gets the most ruling requests. 00:01:07.641 --> 00:01:11.708 I think it's the heading that our field import specialist deal the most with. 00:06:56.292 --> 00:06:59.012 POLLICHINO, STEVEN So that explains to me what this system does, 00:06:59.012 --> 00:07:02.500 what this device does within the environment in which it is installed. 00:07:02.500 --> 00:07:05.667 POLLICHINO, STEVEN Then I would ask, can that system that network 00:07:05.667 --> 00:07:09.900 that environment operate if you remove this system 00:07:09.900 --> 00:07:12.167 and this case the answer is yes. 00:07:12.167 --> 00:07:15.067 All this was doing was adding a layer of protection, 00:07:15.067 --> 00:07:20.300 but the transmission reception function did not rely on this device. 00:07:20.300 --> 00:07:22.817 POLLICHINO, STEVEN So while it looked 00:07:22.817 --> 00:07:28.300 like a reception transmission apparatus, now while it did in fact receive 00:07:28.300 --> 00:07:32.433 and transmit, it was doing a function other than that. 00:07:32.433 --> 00:07:33.967 POLLICHINO, STEVEN Umm. 00:07:33.967 --> 00:07:35.833 POLLICHINO, STEVEN Which held us, which allowed us 00:07:35.833 --> 00:07:38.633 to classify it outside of 8517. 00:07:38.633 --> 00:07:40.500 So we really not have to know. 00:07:40.500 --> 00:07:44.233 POLLICHINO, STEVEN What item is what system it works within? 00:07:44.233 --> 00:07:46.633 POLLICHINO, STEVEN What components are within it? 00:07:48.167 --> 00:07:50.567 POLLICHINO, STEVEN To to arrive at a classification 00:07:50.567 --> 00:07:52.767 so we don't classify by name. 00:07:53.433 --> 00:07:55.000 POLLICHINO, STEVEN Because so many things are called the same thing, 00:07:55.000 --> 00:07:59.767 and each version of that may be different, you can add 00:07:59.767 --> 00:08:05.633 or remove one functionality to a machine, and classification may change. 00:08:07.433 --> 00:08:07.833 POLLICHINO, STEVEN Great. 00:08:08.900 --> 00:08:11.333 POLLICHINO, STEVEN Once again, because I told you this last year, 00:08:11.333 --> 00:08:15.800 February 2007 was a big year for us in the electronics line because of 00:08:15.800 --> 00:08:18.758 a lot of merchandise moved around. 00:08:18.758 --> 00:08:23.567 POLLICHINO, STEVEN So back in I gold days, Chapter 84 00:08:23.567 --> 00:08:28.300 and I'm heading 8471, which deals with computers 80P machines used 00:08:28.300 --> 00:08:30.900 to cover networking equipment. 00:08:30.900 --> 00:08:33.567 POLLICHINO, STEVEN Umm hubs. 00:08:33.567 --> 00:08:35.400 POLLICHINO, STEVEN Maybe routers I don't remember, 00:08:35.400 --> 00:08:36.833 but you should cover a lot of stuff. 00:08:36.833 --> 00:08:42.167 POLLICHINO, STEVEN Then 2007, they wrapped up and put into 8517. 00:08:43.233 --> 00:08:45.433 POLLICHINO, STEVEN The same with 8525. 00:08:45.433 --> 00:08:50.233 That's the heading for Umm, Radio, broadcast and TV reception type stuff. 00:08:50.233 --> 00:08:54.367 POLLICHINO, STEVEN That also used to do telecommunication. 00:08:54.367 --> 00:08:56.567 POLLICHINO, STEVEN Products. 00:08:56.589 --> 00:09:01.789 POLLICHINO, STEVEN In 2007, they took all of that and they put it into 8517. 00:09:06.266 --> 00:09:07.828 POLLICHINO, STEVEN So the problem is you can go 00:09:07.828 --> 00:09:12.300 into cross cross is our rulings database and you can get to you online. 00:09:13.363 --> 00:09:15.563 POLLICHINO, STEVEN By when I'm out on a train 00:09:15.564 --> 00:09:16.893 and I'm doing research, I just go to Google 00:09:16.894 --> 00:09:21.998 and I put down CBP decisions ruling module and it takes me 00:09:21.999 --> 00:09:25.499 to see p.gov right into with across databases. 00:09:25.500 --> 00:09:28.900 POLLICHINO, STEVEN If you are an external customer. 00:09:29.967 --> 00:09:32.833 POLLICHINO, STEVEN So it crosses a database of customs rulings, 00:09:32.833 --> 00:09:36.533 both the rulings we do here at the national Commodity Specialist division 00:09:36.556 --> 00:09:39.632 and those rulings that are headquarters partners do. 00:09:42.967 --> 00:09:46.200 POLLICHINO, STEVEN So if you go in and you look up a transmission device 00:09:46.200 --> 00:09:48.020 or a hub for instance. 00:09:50.033 --> 00:09:51.380 POLLICHINO, STEVEN Might have a whole on your desk 00:09:51.380 --> 00:09:55.550 where you can connect many USB devices to your computer. 00:09:55.550 --> 00:10:00.170 Your computer may have one hub, one USB port, but this allows you now 00:10:00.170 --> 00:10:04.410 to have five USB ports, and you can plug all your toys into it 00:10:04.410 --> 00:10:06.120 into your computer. 00:10:06.120 --> 00:10:10.980 So in the old days that might have been in 8471 or 8473, I'm not sure. 00:10:10.980 --> 00:10:14.780 Now it's an 8517, but if you go into cross 00:10:14.781 --> 00:10:18.050 and you look at rulings before 2007. 00:10:19.432 --> 00:10:22.349 POLLICHINO, STEVEN Chances are you're gonna see that the items classified 00:10:22.350 --> 00:10:28.233 in 8471 or 8473, you may look at certain transmission delays 00:10:28.259 --> 00:10:34.549 and see that the classified in 8525, whereas now they're done in 8517. 00:10:36.167 --> 00:10:38.810 POLLICHINO, STEVEN Problem with cross is when something like that happens 00:10:38.810 --> 00:10:40.220 when a tariff change happens. 00:10:41.833 --> 00:10:44.450 POLLICHINO, STEVEN Nobody goes into cross or is not possible till. 00:10:45.633 --> 00:10:49.510 POLLICHINO, STEVEN Going to cross and flag those older rulings as revoked. 00:10:51.367 --> 00:10:54.636 POLLICHINO, STEVEN Umm, so we call those rulings revoked 00:10:54.637 --> 00:10:56.430 by operation of law. 00:10:57.367 --> 00:10:58.733 POLLICHINO, STEVEN They're not slagged. 00:11:37.729 --> 00:11:40.716 POLLICHINO, STEVEN When you search and cross by commodity, 00:11:40.716 --> 00:11:43.567 commodity product name, you could put down transmitter. 00:11:44.833 --> 00:11:47.900 POLLICHINO, STEVEN And it'll bring you up a bunch of transmitter rulings. 00:11:48.767 --> 00:11:52.419 POLLICHINO, STEVEN But I do first is sort them the newest first. 00:11:53.100 --> 00:11:55.630 POLLICHINO, STEVEN Because I know anything before 2007, 00:11:55.630 --> 00:11:58.900 I'm not really all that interested in. 00:11:58.900 --> 00:12:02.070 Yes, if it's an issue, I'll look at those rulings and the reasoning. 00:12:02.070 --> 00:12:05.840 POLLICHINO, STEVEN But there's enough rulings after 2007. 00:12:06.967 --> 00:12:08.060 POLLICHINO, STEVEN To keep me occupied. 00:12:08.909 --> 00:12:09.941 POLLICHINO, STEVEN OK. 00:12:11.448 --> 00:12:13.310 POLLICHINO, STEVEN So then you find a ruling. 00:12:13.310 --> 00:12:16.380 You have a ruling number, either either an number or an each number. 00:12:16.380 --> 00:12:17.340 If it's a headquarters ruling. 00:12:18.567 --> 00:12:21.110 POLLICHINO, STEVEN What you do then is you take that ruling number 00:12:21.110 --> 00:12:25.070 that you're interested in and put that back into cross and search it. 00:12:27.139 --> 00:12:28.026 POLLICHINO, STEVEN So now. 00:12:28.933 --> 00:12:30.170 POLLICHINO, STEVEN A bunch of rulings will come up. 00:12:31.367 --> 00:12:34.150 POLLICHINO, STEVEN That referenced that number, that reference, 00:12:34.150 --> 00:12:36.930 that ruling number you found when you searched by commodity name. 00:12:36.930 --> 00:12:39.180 POLLICHINO, STEVEN And you read those rulings. 00:12:40.648 --> 00:12:43.010 POLLICHINO, STEVEN Especially, especially especially 00:12:43.010 --> 00:12:47.690 at a headquarters rule names, because within there you might find something 00:12:47.690 --> 00:12:54.150 that says and all such rulings that classify this product such and such, 00:12:54.150 --> 00:12:56.550 and this tariff number are now revoked. 00:12:58.103 --> 00:13:00.760 POLLICHINO, STEVEN So it's possible my point here is it's possible 00:13:00.760 --> 00:13:03.110 to have a ruling in cross. 00:13:03.110 --> 00:13:06.610 POLLICHINO, STEVEN That is revoked, usually by a headquarters rolling only 00:13:06.610 --> 00:13:07.610 by a headquarters rolling. 00:13:08.913 --> 00:13:12.180 POLLICHINO, STEVEN And yet, because of the limitations of cross, 00:13:12.180 --> 00:13:16.290 the only way to know that is to do a search 00:13:16.290 --> 00:13:21.130 by the ruling number you found and then read all the other rulings 00:13:21.130 --> 00:13:21.720 that brings up. 00:13:23.299 --> 00:13:25.610 POLLICHINO, STEVEN Especially especially why can't I say that way, 00:13:25.610 --> 00:13:26.955 especially the headquarters ones, 00:13:26.956 --> 00:13:29.290 because they're the only ones who can revoke or rolling? 00:13:30.567 --> 00:13:32.630 POLLICHINO, STEVEN And that happened to me a while ago. 00:13:32.630 --> 00:13:37.110 We found a great ruling uh fellow, and I asked myself back 00:13:37.110 --> 00:13:40.640 when I did motors, it described exactly what we needed. 00:13:40.640 --> 00:13:42.500 POLLICHINO, STEVEN But then I took it. 00:13:42.500 --> 00:13:45.310 I put in the number and searched again and started reading 00:13:45.310 --> 00:13:46.810 and I found the headquarters ruling. 00:13:47.773 --> 00:13:50.640 POLLICHINO, STEVEN Which addressed the same issue, arrived 00:13:50.640 --> 00:13:55.600 at a different classification and then said these rulings 00:13:55.600 --> 00:13:59.880 and cited a bunch of rulings are now revoked by operation of law 00:13:59.880 --> 00:14:01.530 by the facts of this issue. 00:14:01.530 --> 00:14:04.472 POLLICHINO, STEVEN But yet your original ruling 00:14:04.473 --> 00:14:06.030 was not flagged and cross. 00:14:06.030 --> 00:14:07.940 POLLICHINO, STEVEN So be careful. 00:14:07.940 --> 00:14:08.670 It's the point there. 00:14:09.833 --> 00:14:11.252 POLLICHINO, STEVEN Price is a great system, 00:14:11.253 --> 00:14:13.120 but it does have its limitations. 00:14:17.033 --> 00:14:20.770 POLLICHINO, STEVEN So this year, too, in 2022, we've had a bunch 00:14:20.770 --> 00:14:23.540 of changes, especially in the electronics line. 00:14:24.567 --> 00:14:26.850 POLLICHINO, STEVEN So of course, today we'll be talking about the changes 00:14:26.850 --> 00:14:29.250 that took place in 8517. 00:14:32.500 --> 00:14:34.090 POLLICHINO, STEVEN And changes took place so again. 00:14:35.100 --> 00:14:36.469 POLLICHINO, STEVEN When you find a ruling. 00:14:37.133 --> 00:14:38.760 POLLICHINO, STEVEN You have to check it in real time. 00:14:38.760 --> 00:14:43.070 Go to the current tariff and see if all those things hold still hold true. 00:14:48.500 --> 00:14:49.850 POLLICHINO, STEVEN So the way I look at it, 00:14:49.850 --> 00:14:53.090 heading 8517 is broken out into 3. 00:14:53.090 --> 00:14:54.970 POLLICHINO, STEVEN Categories. 00:14:55.967 --> 00:14:58.200 POLLICHINO, STEVEN The first one deals with telephone sets. 00:14:59.033 --> 00:14:59.810 POLLICHINO, STEVEN Which is simple. 00:14:59.810 --> 00:15:03.290 We all know what a telephone set is, or at least we know what a telephone is. 00:15:03.290 --> 00:15:03.767 And. 00:15:04.700 --> 00:15:06.710 POLLICHINO, STEVEN We're halfway there now. 00:15:06.710 --> 00:15:09.640 The hardest part of classifying within the electronics line 00:15:09.640 --> 00:15:13.360 is somebody gives us something and we don't know what this is. 00:15:14.633 --> 00:15:16.270 POLLICHINO, STEVEN The printed Circuit Board assembly 00:15:16.270 --> 00:15:18.920 that's inside some machine that something. 00:15:20.200 --> 00:15:22.691 POLLICHINO, STEVEN That the request that doesn't even know what it does. 00:15:23.967 --> 00:15:26.840 POLLICHINO, STEVEN Telephone to simple you know what a telephone is. 00:15:27.633 --> 00:15:30.390 POLLICHINO, STEVEN The second category is my favorite 00:15:30.390 --> 00:15:34.650 because it's cause most of my pain in the last couple of years. 00:15:34.650 --> 00:15:39.230 Other apparatus for transmission or reception of voice images, other data. 00:15:39.230 --> 00:15:42.260 POLLICHINO, STEVEN Including apparatus in a while. 00:15:42.260 --> 00:15:46.350 So when when network that's in there because that stuff came from? 00:15:46.350 --> 00:15:49.200 POLLICHINO, STEVEN The. 00:15:49.562 --> 00:15:52.612 POLLICHINO, STEVEN 8471 type headings. 00:15:52.613 --> 00:15:55.100 POLLICHINO, STEVEN Computer stuff that operates in a when I land, 00:15:55.100 --> 00:15:58.360 I'm letting you know that now those computer devices, 00:15:58.360 --> 00:16:02.340 computer networking devices are now classified and 8517. 00:16:05.066 --> 00:16:08.389 POLLICHINO, STEVEN This subheading talks about items that transmit 00:16:08.389 --> 00:16:09.800 and receive. 00:16:09.800 --> 00:16:12.280 POLLICHINO, STEVEN And that should be it. 00:16:12.280 --> 00:16:14.410 POLLICHINO, STEVEN That's where we should start. 00:16:15.499 --> 00:16:20.879 If you read the ends on 8517 and the exemplars they give, 00:16:20.880 --> 00:16:21.850 what the examples they give. 00:16:21.850 --> 00:16:25.140 POLLICHINO, STEVEN They all commodities that they take a signal. 00:16:25.140 --> 00:16:29.100 POLLICHINO, STEVEN Boost it converted and transmitted. 00:16:29.110 --> 00:16:30.299 That's all they do. 00:16:30.300 --> 00:16:31.790 They don't do anything else. 00:16:33.190 --> 00:16:34.850 POLLICHINO, STEVEN Somewhere along the line. 00:16:34.850 --> 00:16:36.830 POLLICHINO, STEVEN We've gone off. 00:16:36.830 --> 00:16:39.800 POLLICHINO, STEVEN Track a little bit. 00:16:42.033 --> 00:16:44.580 POLLICHINO, STEVEN Somehow somebody figured out that if you have. 00:16:44.580 --> 00:16:48.030 POLLICHINO, STEVEN I wouldn't be surprised if you had a computer 00:16:48.030 --> 00:16:54.350 that is so sophisticated that it can land a shuttle on Mars 00:16:54.350 --> 00:16:57.810 and then it could measure air quality. 00:16:57.810 --> 00:17:00.360 POLLICHINO, STEVEN And it could run the oxygen sensors 00:17:00.360 --> 00:17:04.560 and oxygen generators, and then it could run the synthesizers 00:17:04.560 --> 00:17:06.710 to make the astronauts food. 00:17:06.710 --> 00:17:08.930 And it can measure the astronauts. 00:17:08.930 --> 00:17:10.400 And then somebody said, well, you know. 00:17:10.400 --> 00:17:14.300 POLLICHINO, STEVEN That's officated computers wireless. 00:17:14.300 --> 00:17:16.860 They'd be like, OK, 8517 it goes there. 00:17:18.100 --> 00:17:22.060 POLLICHINO, STEVEN That's what I'm seeing unbelievably, be ridiculous. 00:17:23.167 --> 00:17:25.120 POLLICHINO, STEVEN Uh scenarios? 00:17:25.120 --> 00:17:29.360 POLLICHINO, STEVEN Where I think other acts, aspects of the commodity 00:17:29.360 --> 00:17:34.200 or very confusing and complicated and the best we could do sometimes is point 00:17:34.200 --> 00:17:36.590 that in and go ohh look it's wireless. 00:17:36.590 --> 00:17:38.200 Let's put it in 8517. 00:17:40.033 --> 00:17:42.380 POLLICHINO, STEVEN That's not gonna happen anymore. 00:17:42.380 --> 00:17:46.180 POLLICHINO, STEVEN 8517 has felt good set, transmit and receive. 00:17:47.433 --> 00:17:48.617 POLLICHINO, STEVEN It's a consideration 00:17:48.618 --> 00:17:50.430 when you have a complex machine 00:17:50.430 --> 00:17:53.260 and that's one of the functions you have to consider it with. 00:17:53.260 --> 00:17:55.650 The other functions of that machine, yes. 00:17:55.650 --> 00:18:00.140 POLLICHINO, STEVEN In the vast majority of the cases I could think 00:18:00.140 --> 00:18:04.350 of ability to transmit and receive wirelessly in a device 00:18:04.350 --> 00:18:05.770 that has other functions. 00:18:07.167 --> 00:18:10.280 POLLICHINO, STEVEN That had those same other functions way before things 00:18:10.280 --> 00:18:12.000 went wireless. 00:18:12.000 --> 00:18:15.160 It's still gonna be classified as that other. 00:18:15.160 --> 00:18:18.000 POLLICHINO, STEVEN As the in the other headings. 00:18:18.000 --> 00:18:21.780 POLLICHINO, STEVEN Umm, the wireless capability is going to be looked at 00:18:21.780 --> 00:18:25.070 as a support function or a secondary function. 00:18:25.070 --> 00:18:28.070 POLLICHINO, STEVEN So if you have sensors that are measuring. 00:18:28.070 --> 00:18:29.904 POLLICHINO, STEVEN Temperature. 00:18:31.233 --> 00:18:32.810 POLLICHINO, STEVEN Safety issues. 00:18:32.810 --> 00:18:36.420 All this other stuff you have to realize in the past they were wired. 00:18:36.420 --> 00:18:40.570 Those sensors were wired to a computer who ran analysis 00:18:40.570 --> 00:18:41.620 and did whatever it had to do. 00:18:41.620 --> 00:18:44.980 POLLICHINO, STEVEN So now they just took away the wire. 00:18:44.980 --> 00:18:47.730 They took away the wire and they made those sensors wireless. 00:18:48.900 --> 00:18:51.170 POLLICHINO, STEVEN Of God's sakes, that doesn't make 00:18:51.170 --> 00:18:55.330 the whole thing now 8517, the wireless capability 00:18:55.330 --> 00:18:58.470 is a secondary support function to the main function of Y. 00:18:58.470 --> 00:19:02.380 You need this device and that's the sensor to measure and detect. 00:19:04.567 --> 00:19:07.550 POLLICHINO, STEVEN So a lot of things I look at if I removed, 00:19:07.550 --> 00:19:09.990 if I have a device like I'll use the sensor again. 00:19:09.990 --> 00:19:10.050 UM. 00:19:11.858 --> 00:19:13.427 POLLICHINO, STEVEN And I removed. 00:19:14.467 --> 00:19:16.550 POLLICHINO, STEVEN The Bluetooth sort of wireless capability. 00:19:17.700 --> 00:19:19.970 POLLICHINO, STEVEN I could still have that sensor hardwired 00:19:19.970 --> 00:19:24.340 to the computer and theory and it would do the exact function 00:19:24.340 --> 00:19:26.240 that is needed sensing. 00:19:26.240 --> 00:19:27.360 POLLICHINO, STEVEN Measuring. 00:19:28.700 --> 00:19:31.260 POLLICHINO, STEVEN As opposed to if I had this sensor 00:19:31.260 --> 00:19:36.400 and I removed it sensing ability and just left the transmitter. 00:19:36.400 --> 00:19:37.930 POLLICHINO, STEVEN I have nothing. 00:19:37.930 --> 00:19:41.330 POLLICHINO, STEVEN My computer sitting there waiting for information. 00:19:41.330 --> 00:19:44.960 Nothing can take the place of that measuring sensor portion. 00:19:44.960 --> 00:19:46.900 POLLICHINO, STEVEN So that's how we look at it now. 00:19:48.700 --> 00:19:51.830 POLLICHINO, STEVEN That in many cases the transmitting ability is secondary 00:19:51.830 --> 00:19:53.970 to the real function of the device. 00:19:53.970 --> 00:19:56.021 POLLICHINO, STEVEN The tariff headings 00:19:56.022 --> 00:19:57.730 are tariff pavilions are meant to. 00:19:57.730 --> 00:20:00.740 POLLICHINO, STEVEN Capture future. 00:20:03.145 --> 00:20:06.139 POLLICHINO, STEVEN Generations of products, so as products change 00:20:06.140 --> 00:20:09.610 and improve and advance as long as they still hold. 00:20:10.966 --> 00:20:15.559 POLLICHINO, STEVEN The original functionality to measure to sense. 00:20:15.560 --> 00:20:18.320 POLLICHINO, STEVEN Then adding a Bluetooth 00:20:18.320 --> 00:20:22.630 or wireless capability does not change that, it just makes things easier. 00:20:22.630 --> 00:20:25.360 POLLICHINO, STEVEN And more modernized. 00:20:25.360 --> 00:20:27.710 And if you look up Bluetooth, it's just called Bluetooth 00:20:27.710 --> 00:20:30.210 is called a wire replacement technology. 00:20:30.210 --> 00:20:34.030 POLLICHINO, STEVEN So if in the past I did not classify this article 00:20:34.030 --> 00:20:37.880 as a piece of wire, I'm not gonna classify it as a transmitter 00:20:37.880 --> 00:20:38.990 when it does other things. 00:20:41.300 --> 00:20:42.950 POLLICHINO, STEVEN Is that 100% always true? 00:20:42.950 --> 00:20:43.280 No. 00:20:43.280 --> 00:20:46.550 You have to consider everything have to consider all the functions 00:20:46.550 --> 00:20:47.608 of the device. 00:21:02.816 --> 00:21:04.656 POLLICHINO, STEVEN So here is a beautiful. 00:21:04.656 --> 00:21:06.933 POLLICHINO, STEVEN Beautiful. 00:21:07.500 --> 00:21:10.767 POLLICHINO, STEVEN Screen prints of 8517 tariff page. 00:21:10.767 --> 00:21:13.700 So this is the first three categories. 00:21:14.767 --> 00:21:17.300 POLLICHINO, STEVEN Now so the first category is telephones. 00:21:19.233 --> 00:21:20.300 POLLICHINO, STEVEN OK. 00:21:20.300 --> 00:21:22.800 POLLICHINO, STEVEN Where's my little pointer it is. 00:21:24.167 --> 00:21:26.000 POLLICHINO, STEVEN I do not like this pointer. 00:21:26.833 --> 00:21:29.202 POLLICHINO, STEVEN So the the heading reached telephone sets, 00:21:29.202 --> 00:21:30.067 including smartphones. 00:21:30.067 --> 00:21:32.980 That's no, that was added this year before. 00:21:32.980 --> 00:21:35.062 We didn't have a specific. 00:21:36.233 --> 00:21:37.470 POLLICHINO, STEVEN Place to put smartphones. 00:21:39.033 --> 00:21:39.730 POLLICHINO, STEVEN Which is great. 00:21:39.730 --> 00:21:43.460 So what happens is a new technology comes out, a new product comes out. 00:21:44.567 --> 00:21:48.520 POLLICHINO, STEVEN Umm, these tariff numbers are used to track and count. 00:21:48.520 --> 00:21:52.590 POLLICHINO, STEVEN Trade stats Department of Commerce, US TR. 00:21:52.590 --> 00:21:54.810 Outside trade groups they won't know what's coming in. 00:21:54.810 --> 00:21:57.490 What's going out so the best way to do that is 00:21:57.490 --> 00:22:00.580 to have a specific subheading, a specific tariff number. 00:22:02.633 --> 00:22:04.750 POLLICHINO, STEVEN Sorry for a specific product. 00:22:05.833 --> 00:22:08.740 POLLICHINO, STEVEN So now smartphones really aren't a new thing. 00:22:08.740 --> 00:22:09.590 They've been out a long time. 00:22:09.590 --> 00:22:12.930 POLLICHINO, STEVEN But I can't tell you how long it takes. 00:22:14.100 --> 00:22:17.560 POLLICHINO, STEVEN To change your tariff and to add something like this. 00:22:17.560 --> 00:22:20.950 POLLICHINO, STEVEN And it's a tremendous amount of work 00:22:20.950 --> 00:22:23.650 or headquarters attorneys do a fabulous job. 00:22:23.650 --> 00:22:25.740 POLLICHINO, STEVEN They have to deal. 00:22:27.300 --> 00:22:30.710 POLLICHINO, STEVEN With all the personalities, issues and political. 00:22:30.710 --> 00:22:33.620 POLLICHINO, STEVEN Underlyings of every other country. 00:22:34.500 --> 00:22:37.200 POLLICHINO, STEVEN That is part of the harmonized tariff schedule, 00:22:37.200 --> 00:22:39.120 so they cut our Brussels they talk about. 00:22:39.967 --> 00:22:42.270 POLLICHINO, STEVEN Can we add a subheading for smartphones 00:22:42.270 --> 00:22:45.910 and that opens up a can of worms and they do a fabulous job dealing 00:22:45.910 --> 00:22:49.413 with all of that and it takes a long, long, long time 00:22:49.414 --> 00:22:51.100 to get something changed. 00:22:52.567 --> 00:22:53.460 POLLICHINO, STEVEN And to give you an example, 00:22:53.460 --> 00:22:55.000 since we're talking so nice here. 00:22:55.000 --> 00:22:56.720 POLLICHINO, STEVEN Back in the day, LED bulbs. 00:22:58.300 --> 00:23:00.890 POLLICHINO, STEVEN Used domain 85 eighty 543 00:23:00.890 --> 00:23:03.170 the basket provision dammit theorem. 00:23:03.177 --> 00:23:08.247 In the 9405 all the light bulbs provision was back and forth 00:23:09.390 --> 00:23:12.650 and it made no sense because we had a place for bulbs. 00:23:12.650 --> 00:23:16.910 POLLICHINO, STEVEN Light bulbs, but I guess at the time there was no other 00:23:16.910 --> 00:23:20.780 or didn't just didn't fit the criteria semiconductor LED labels. 00:23:20.780 --> 00:23:24.020 POLLICHINO, STEVEN So I brought it up. 00:23:24.020 --> 00:23:27.580 I had a meeting, we had a seminar, one of my headquarters attorney friends 00:23:27.580 --> 00:23:29.220 was there, and I expressed my. 00:23:31.033 --> 00:23:33.730 POLLICHINO, STEVEN Curiosity of why it's so hard. 00:23:33.730 --> 00:23:35.470 We have a place for the light bulbs. 00:23:36.500 --> 00:23:38.280 POLLICHINO, STEVEN Bright LED light bulbs and we're done. 00:23:39.853 --> 00:23:41.340 POLLICHINO, STEVEN We said you don't understand. 00:23:41.340 --> 00:23:46.050 We're dealing with so many countries and who knows the real reason 00:23:46.050 --> 00:23:49.520 a certain country wants something done a certain way. 00:23:49.520 --> 00:23:51.360 Everybody's looking out for themselves, right? 00:23:51.360 --> 00:23:53.160 POLLICHINO, STEVEN So what happened was. 00:23:53.160 --> 00:23:57.540 POLLICHINO, STEVEN They will all set LED light bulbs, 00:23:57.540 --> 00:24:00.740 then one country raised their hands and said we wanted 00:24:00.740 --> 00:24:03.960 to say Elliot did light bulbs and assemblies. 00:24:05.167 --> 00:24:07.060 POLLICHINO, STEVEN Now that set us back years. 00:24:07.060 --> 00:24:09.900 POLLICHINO, STEVEN What is an an assembly? 00:24:09.900 --> 00:24:10.160 What? 00:24:10.160 --> 00:24:13.780 What point is that an assembly, a light bulb or what? 00:24:13.780 --> 00:24:16.900 Point is a not an assembly, but it's parts of a light bulb? 00:24:17.833 --> 00:24:19.900 POLLICHINO, STEVEN Ridiculous, but everybody has a voice. 00:24:19.900 --> 00:24:20.750 Everybody has an opinion. 00:24:22.300 --> 00:24:24.110 POLLICHINO, STEVEN And I have to hand it to the headquarters. 00:24:24.110 --> 00:24:27.070 People who go down or attorneys I I could never do that. 00:24:27.070 --> 00:24:28.940 I would lose my mind. 00:24:28.940 --> 00:24:30.130 But they do a great job. 00:24:30.130 --> 00:24:31.060 But it does take a long time. 00:24:32.633 --> 00:24:33.320 POLLICHINO, STEVEN So here we go. 00:24:33.320 --> 00:24:35.890 Somebody must have wanted to track smartphones. 00:24:35.890 --> 00:24:36.940 So now it's trackable. 00:24:36.940 --> 00:24:37.680 It's traceable. 00:24:37.680 --> 00:24:39.080 We can get trade stats on it. 00:24:39.080 --> 00:24:41.620 So that's a change in 2022. 00:24:42.567 --> 00:24:44.610 POLLICHINO, STEVEN So you may find rulings across right now 00:24:44.610 --> 00:24:48.220 that put smartphones someplace else, because I forget the exact designation 00:24:48.220 --> 00:24:51.230 of the tariff numbers, but now it's there. 00:24:51.230 --> 00:24:54.360 So what happens is all these numbers have changed 00:24:54.360 --> 00:24:57.530 because now we added a 517, thirteen. 00:24:57.530 --> 00:24:58.740 It used to be something else. 00:24:58.740 --> 00:25:02.710 So even though 8517 fourteen here is here, that number 00:25:02.710 --> 00:25:05.240 might have been different in a past. 00:25:05.240 --> 00:25:08.940 So by adding a new commodity that might have pumped all the numbers down 00:25:08.940 --> 00:25:10.800 into different numbers. 00:25:10.800 --> 00:25:13.030 So be careful when you're looking across when there's a change. 00:25:14.900 --> 00:25:15.480 POLLICHINO, STEVEN So here we are. 00:25:15.480 --> 00:25:16.700 We got telephone sets. 00:25:17.367 --> 00:25:18.550 POLLICHINO, STEVEN UM. 00:25:19.367 --> 00:25:21.510 POLLICHINO, STEVEN So I guess the question was, 00:25:21.510 --> 00:25:26.320 can we look at the other subheadings in 8571 and can you tell us 00:25:26.320 --> 00:25:28.300 what gets classified there? 00:25:32.167 --> 00:25:34.070 POLLICHINO, STEVEN So let's start at the beginning. 00:25:35.632 --> 00:25:39.229 POLLICHINO, STEVEN We classify by comparing same levels. 00:25:39.230 --> 00:25:41.500 POLLICHINO, STEVEN Of the text in a tariff. 00:25:41.500 --> 00:25:44.310 POLLICHINO, STEVEN Meaning this is the heading level. 00:25:44.310 --> 00:25:48.550 POLLICHINO, STEVEN Telephone set, smartphones and other things, 00:25:48.550 --> 00:25:52.580 and by network I would compare that to. 00:25:52.580 --> 00:25:57.150 POLLICHINO, STEVEN Off the top of my head, hitting 8471. 00:25:57.150 --> 00:26:00.380 POLLICHINO, STEVEN And heading 8525. 00:26:01.632 --> 00:26:05.069 POLLICHINO, STEVEN Because some stuff may work in a network 00:26:05.070 --> 00:26:07.840 and some stuff I have that I'm trying to classify, 00:26:07.840 --> 00:26:10.450 it might be a transmit transmitting, transmitting device. 00:26:12.166 --> 00:26:15.319 POLLICHINO, STEVEN For radio or TV broadcasting, that's 8525. 00:26:15.320 --> 00:26:17.480 POLLICHINO, STEVEN So that's where I started. 00:26:17.480 --> 00:26:19.240 Look at those three headings. 00:26:20.033 --> 00:26:22.340 POLLICHINO, STEVEN I don't come down to video phones. 00:26:23.832 --> 00:26:27.209 POLLICHINO, STEVEN And compare video phones which is indented 00:26:27.210 --> 00:26:32.920 what like 2 * 2 are heading in 8525, we keep it. 00:26:32.920 --> 00:26:35.660 POLLICHINO, STEVEN Well, at the same level. 00:26:35.660 --> 00:26:37.760 POLLICHINO, STEVEN So once I get past the heading, 00:26:37.760 --> 00:26:40.840 I could pay those three headings and I realize I'm here. 00:26:42.767 --> 00:26:43.850 POLLICHINO, STEVEN Then the first intent. 00:26:46.900 --> 00:26:49.230 POLLICHINO, STEVEN I see if I qualify for that. 00:26:49.230 --> 00:26:51.050 POLLICHINO, STEVEN And if I don't? 00:26:51.050 --> 00:26:51.950 If it's not a telephone. 00:26:53.433 --> 00:26:54.920 POLLICHINO, STEVEN Then I don't go in here 00:26:54.920 --> 00:26:56.030 and start looking at these other ones. 00:26:56.030 --> 00:27:00.770 POLLICHINO, STEVEN If it's not a telephone set, wireless or otherwise, 00:27:00.770 --> 00:27:02.470 then I would skip down. 00:27:02.470 --> 00:27:04.930 You can't see it in this slide, unfortunately. 00:27:04.930 --> 00:27:10.010 Two other apparatus for transmitting in a wireless wireless network, 00:27:10.010 --> 00:27:11.140 but that would be the heading. 00:27:11.140 --> 00:27:13.570 I don't go in and start rooting around in here. 00:27:15.025 --> 00:27:17.090 POLLICHINO, STEVEN If I don't qualify at this point 00:27:17.090 --> 00:27:21.980 at the first indent point, then I go down to the next one and I 00:27:21.980 --> 00:27:23.560 and the latest slide, I'll show you. 00:27:23.560 --> 00:27:28.610 POLLICHINO, STEVEN OK, so once we get in, we we're we're happy 00:27:28.610 --> 00:27:30.550 that we have a phone, we have some kind of phone 00:27:30.550 --> 00:27:33.320 and the subheadings telling me smartphones. 00:27:33.320 --> 00:27:35.020 POLLICHINO, STEVEN Cellular phones. 00:27:35.020 --> 00:27:36.480 POLLICHINO, STEVEN Or Umm. 00:27:36.480 --> 00:27:39.580 POLLICHINO, STEVEN Or other wireless phones. 00:27:47.433 --> 00:27:48.600 POLLICHINO, STEVEN So the first subheading, 00:27:48.600 --> 00:27:50.720 once we realized we have a wireless type phone. 00:27:52.226 --> 00:27:54.640 POLLICHINO, STEVEN Is 8517 eleven? 00:27:54.640 --> 00:27:58.110 POLLICHINO, STEVEN And I'm sure at some point this was new technology 00:27:58.110 --> 00:28:00.880 and somebody needed to get this number in a tariff to track. 00:28:02.367 --> 00:28:03.790 POLLICHINO, STEVEN This is very specific. 00:28:03.790 --> 00:28:05.190 This is a. 00:28:05.190 --> 00:28:06.930 POLLICHINO, STEVEN Your house phone. 00:28:06.930 --> 00:28:09.668 If you have a landline house phone anymore 00:28:09.669 --> 00:28:11.960 where the base plugs into the wall. 00:28:11.960 --> 00:28:16.790 So it's a wireless connection to your telephone provider. 00:28:16.790 --> 00:28:20.160 But from the base to your receiver is wireless, 00:28:20.160 --> 00:28:21.890 so this is a little wireless receiver. 00:28:21.890 --> 00:28:26.370 Walk around your house and it's beaming its signal too much from this base unit 00:28:26.370 --> 00:28:27.150 which is hard wired. 00:28:27.150 --> 00:28:29.780 POLLICHINO, STEVEN Into your wall socket there. 00:28:32.833 --> 00:28:34.800 POLLICHINO, STEVEN So that's a very specific type of phone. 00:28:35.900 --> 00:28:38.680 POLLICHINO, STEVEN So that may fall into the new subheading smartphones. 00:28:38.680 --> 00:28:42.500 POLLICHINO, STEVEN And I have some wonderful illustrations to you 00:28:42.500 --> 00:28:44.800 of what we would all agree as a smartphone. 00:28:46.833 --> 00:28:49.140 POLLICHINO, STEVEN Now we say smart phone a lot, but do we know 00:28:49.140 --> 00:28:50.490 what that actually means? 00:28:51.860 --> 00:28:54.590 POLLICHINO, STEVEN Evidently, I'm saying a flip phone 00:28:54.590 --> 00:28:55.550 is not a smartphone here. 00:28:56.633 --> 00:28:57.750 POLLICHINO, STEVEN Now why is that? 00:28:59.900 --> 00:29:02.010 POLLICHINO, STEVEN Thankfully, chapter 85. 00:29:03.633 --> 00:29:04.890 POLLICHINO, STEVEN Note 5. 00:29:04.890 --> 00:29:08.070 POLLICHINO, STEVEN Gives your definition 00:29:08.071 --> 00:29:10.600 of the new smartphone terminology. 00:29:11.967 --> 00:29:15.760 POLLICHINO, STEVEN I just to point out, Charter 85 has notes no 12345 00:29:15.760 --> 00:29:19.710 whatever because this chip note 5 is new. 00:29:19.710 --> 00:29:22.180 All the notes in Chapter 85 have now changed. 00:29:23.433 --> 00:29:24.340 POLLICHINO, STEVEN So usually. 00:29:26.100 --> 00:29:28.250 POLLICHINO, STEVEN I would say in a headquarters ruling where they go 00:29:28.250 --> 00:29:30.798 into a little bit more depth in my opinion 00:29:30.799 --> 00:29:32.990 and they start citing chapter notes. 00:29:34.430 --> 00:29:37.930 POLLICHINO, STEVEN You may say that they're gonna say chapter note. 00:29:37.930 --> 00:29:41.620 Uh, three pertains to this, that the other thing well currently now. 00:29:41.620 --> 00:29:45.870 POLLICHINO, STEVEN Chapter Note 3 may not be the same anymore or let's say 6 00:29:45.871 --> 00:29:49.440 because as they after five Chapter Note 6 is not the same anymore 00:29:49.440 --> 00:29:53.330 because they added something and that bumped all the other nodes at a whack. 00:29:54.521 --> 00:29:57.070 POLLICHINO, STEVEN So again, go across, pull up the rulings 00:29:57.070 --> 00:30:00.120 and double check you know what notes they're talking about 00:30:00.120 --> 00:30:02.680 because you're looking at it and then it makes sense. 00:30:04.767 --> 00:30:07.790 POLLICHINO, STEVEN So smartphone, what they're saying is for the purposes 00:30:07.790 --> 00:30:12.080 of 8517, the term smartphone means a cell phone. 00:30:14.300 --> 00:30:16.920 POLLICHINO, STEVEN That's equipped with a mobile operating system, 00:30:16.920 --> 00:30:20.190 so it has a program on it like your computer has a program, 00:30:20.190 --> 00:30:24.350 windows or whatever's operating behind Windows. 00:30:24.350 --> 00:30:24.510 Really. 00:30:25.967 --> 00:30:27.990 POLLICHINO, STEVEN This one has a mobile version of that. 00:30:29.700 --> 00:30:31.550 POLLICHINO, STEVEN And is designed to perform. 00:30:31.550 --> 00:30:35.540 They say it's designed to perform functions of an ATP machine. 00:30:35.540 --> 00:30:37.828 POLLICHINO, STEVEN Such as downloading 00:30:37.829 --> 00:30:39.680 and running multiple applications 00:30:39.680 --> 00:30:43.410 at the same time, including third party applications. 00:30:44.367 --> 00:30:47.730 POLLICHINO, STEVEN So this is a a stripped down version 00:30:47.730 --> 00:30:50.042 of a computer is what they're saying. 00:30:51.300 --> 00:30:52.862 POLLICHINO, STEVEN Whether 00:30:52.863 --> 00:30:55.640 or not this phone has other integrated features, 00:30:55.640 --> 00:30:57.680 such as a camera or a GPS system. 00:31:00.171 --> 00:31:02.660 POLLICHINO, STEVEN I think that's a pretty decent description 00:31:02.660 --> 00:31:03.540 of what a smartphone is. 00:31:04.433 --> 00:31:05.498 POLLICHINO, STEVEN Cell phone. 00:31:06.733 --> 00:31:09.190 POLLICHINO, STEVEN That has a little bit of a computer in it 00:31:09.190 --> 00:31:10.660 and you could run a bunch of apps. 00:31:11.900 --> 00:31:13.630 POLLICHINO, STEVEN You flip phone could not do that. 00:31:17.900 --> 00:31:20.330 POLLICHINO, STEVEN OK, settles that are first to subheadings 00:31:20.330 --> 00:31:21.040 within telephones. 00:31:23.167 --> 00:31:25.860 POLLICHINO, STEVEN The night we get to some other specific things 00:31:25.860 --> 00:31:30.090 and this is a radio telephone design for installation in a car. 00:31:30.090 --> 00:31:33.240 POLLICHINO, STEVEN For the public cellular radio system, 00:31:33.240 --> 00:31:34.420 so this is a cell phone. 00:31:34.420 --> 00:31:37.448 POLLICHINO, STEVEN That gets mounted within a car. 00:31:37.470 --> 00:31:38.860 It's made to be mounted in a car. 00:31:38.860 --> 00:31:41.130 POLLICHINO, STEVEN Back with cell phones. 00:31:41.130 --> 00:31:42.810 And again, this is probably coding technology. 00:31:42.830 --> 00:31:43.470 At some time. 00:31:43.470 --> 00:31:46.310 I don't even know if they make this or do this anymore. 00:31:46.310 --> 00:31:48.590 Maybe taxi cabs or fleet cars. 00:31:49.833 --> 00:31:50.800 POLLICHINO, STEVEN But back in the old days, 00:31:50.800 --> 00:31:54.070 your cell phone was a pretty large device that you had 00:31:54.070 --> 00:31:58.130 in a shoulder harness, and you carried around the battery portion 00:31:58.130 --> 00:32:00.380 and you head as your mongus hand portion. 00:32:00.380 --> 00:32:01.950 It was a big thing. 00:32:02.700 --> 00:32:09.930 POLLICHINO, STEVEN And it's made for being installed in a car 00:32:09.930 --> 00:32:14.220 because the transceiver units mounted in your trunk is running off 00:32:14.220 --> 00:32:17.020 the cars battery, it doesn't have its own battery. 00:32:18.000 --> 00:32:22.656 It run uses in a tenant at some on top of the car to handset is made 00:32:22.659 --> 00:32:26.169 to be mounted in the car wherever it amounted. 00:32:26.170 --> 00:32:28.750 POLLICHINO, STEVEN So there's no question. 00:32:28.750 --> 00:32:34.190 POLLICHINO, STEVEN As to what this means, it's not your normal cell phone 00:32:34.190 --> 00:32:39.790 that you put in a cup holder clip thing and you use it in your car. 00:32:39.790 --> 00:32:42.670 This is a specific commodity made for installation in a car. 00:32:46.633 --> 00:32:47.010 POLLICHINO, STEVEN OK. 00:32:47.010 --> 00:32:48.560 And then 8517, fourteen. 00:32:49.899 --> 00:32:53.729 POLLICHINO, STEVEN Which is sorted and other provision is talking 00:32:53.730 --> 00:32:59.330 about other radio telephones for the cell networks as talk about cell phones. 00:32:59.330 --> 00:33:02.700 But we know because up above before this we talked about smartphones. 00:33:03.967 --> 00:33:06.830 POLLICHINO, STEVEN This can't be a smartphone because that's covered 00:33:06.830 --> 00:33:07.980 in a previous subheading. 00:33:08.900 --> 00:33:11.470 POLLICHINO, STEVEN So the this is where cell phones 00:33:11.470 --> 00:33:14.090 that are not smartphones, where they would be classified. 00:33:17.367 --> 00:33:18.890 POLLICHINO, STEVEN OK, so you're coming in here. 00:33:18.890 --> 00:33:20.220 You got telephones. 00:33:20.220 --> 00:33:21.210 This is where I want to be. 00:33:21.210 --> 00:33:22.250 I have a telephone. 00:33:22.250 --> 00:33:24.370 Is it a house phone with a wireless? 00:33:24.370 --> 00:33:26.540 Now it's at a smartphone. 00:33:26.540 --> 00:33:27.540 No, it's not a smartphone. 00:33:27.540 --> 00:33:29.300 POLLICHINO, STEVEN OK. 00:33:29.300 --> 00:33:33.250 So it's an other telephone for cell networks or other wireless networks. 00:33:33.250 --> 00:33:34.920 OK, yeah, it's wireless. 00:33:34.920 --> 00:33:37.460 POLLICHINO, STEVEN It doesn't get mounted and a car. 00:33:37.460 --> 00:33:38.780 So now we've come down. 00:33:38.780 --> 00:33:42.690 POLLICHINO, STEVEN Umm is it a flip style phone? 00:33:42.690 --> 00:33:44.800 Yes, it stays here. 00:33:44.800 --> 00:33:45.230 Is. 00:33:45.230 --> 00:33:48.070 Is it not a flip style cell phone? 00:33:48.070 --> 00:33:50.130 Meaning number one, it's not a cell phone. 00:33:52.167 --> 00:33:54.200 POLLICHINO, STEVEN Because this heading towards the subheading talks 00:33:54.200 --> 00:33:56.350 about other wireless networks. 00:33:58.766 --> 00:34:02.959 POLLICHINO, STEVEN OK, so if it's not, I mean, flip phones would go here 00:34:02.960 --> 00:34:05.500 if it's not a flip phone using. 00:34:05.500 --> 00:34:08.780 I'm sorry if it's not a phone using a cell network, it comes down 00:34:08.780 --> 00:34:09.540 to this other other. 00:34:11.567 --> 00:34:12.170 POLLICHINO, STEVEN Ah. 00:34:13.633 --> 00:34:14.500 POLLICHINO, STEVEN So he'll be here. 00:34:16.566 --> 00:34:20.409 POLLICHINO, STEVEN So this is for cell phones that aren't smartphones, 00:34:20.410 --> 00:34:24.120 and we know that because smartphones were classed above prior to this 00:34:24.120 --> 00:34:25.410 and we go down in order. 00:34:26.767 --> 00:34:27.660 POLLICHINO, STEVEN This other. 00:34:28.167 --> 00:34:29.230 POLLICHINO, STEVEN Just other. 00:34:30.268 --> 00:34:34.759 POLLICHINO, STEVEN Has to be for recovered all the cell phones 00:34:34.760 --> 00:34:35.559 we could cover right? 00:34:35.560 --> 00:34:37.640 And we got the smartphone up above. 00:34:37.640 --> 00:34:41.880 We got the ones mounted in the car and we got the flip phones type. 00:34:41.880 --> 00:34:43.670 There are no but the cell phones. 00:34:43.670 --> 00:34:47.040 So this other has to be for other wireless networks. 00:34:49.767 --> 00:34:52.490 POLLICHINO, STEVEN So we don't get a lot of those. 00:34:52.490 --> 00:34:55.060 So what would go in this other heading? 00:34:55.060 --> 00:34:57.780 POLLICHINO, STEVEN Otherwise it well, it would be something 00:34:57.780 --> 00:35:01.800 that does not operate in a cell network because all of those are covered above. 00:35:03.248 --> 00:35:04.750 POLLICHINO, STEVEN So what are we talking about then? 00:35:04.750 --> 00:35:07.020 I have a little picture of a satellite here. 00:35:11.300 --> 00:35:12.710 POLLICHINO, STEVEN So what would go in that other? 00:35:14.500 --> 00:35:15.910 POLLICHINO, STEVEN Would be a satellite phone. 00:35:17.033 --> 00:35:20.450 POLLICHINO, STEVEN OK, satellite phones are type of model mobile phone 00:35:20.450 --> 00:35:27.770 that connects to other phones or the satellite network by radio waves. 00:35:27.770 --> 00:35:29.920 But it beams directly to a satellite. 00:35:29.920 --> 00:35:31.910 It does not go through a cell network. 00:35:31.910 --> 00:35:36.660 POLLICHINO, STEVEN They use these in like remote areas, or if you're 00:35:36.660 --> 00:35:42.810 in a jungle somewhere, a lot of safety type phones, your hiking 00:35:42.810 --> 00:35:45.680 and some remote area, you're not gonna get satellite service 00:35:45.680 --> 00:35:47.120 because you need cell towers. 00:35:49.541 --> 00:35:51.659 POLLICHINO, STEVEN So which case uses satellite phone? 00:35:51.660 --> 00:35:56.260 Because it's wireless, so it fits the criteria and it's outside 00:35:56.260 --> 00:35:58.600 of the cell network, so it has to fall into this other. 00:36:00.100 --> 00:36:02.550 POLLICHINO, STEVEN Another one I found was a Wi-Fi phone. 00:36:04.100 --> 00:36:07.320 POLLICHINO, STEVEN And I believe this was used on a college campus. 00:36:08.099 --> 00:36:10.879 POLLICHINO, STEVEN So the college campus had its own little network 00:36:10.880 --> 00:36:11.620 going around. 00:36:11.620 --> 00:36:16.470 They probably had, UM, hot spots and base stations 00:36:16.470 --> 00:36:18.450 and transmitters around the campus. 00:36:19.767 --> 00:36:23.080 POLLICHINO, STEVEN And maybe to security personnel or the teachers, 00:36:23.080 --> 00:36:25.730 the faculty at a specific type of phone. 00:36:27.633 --> 00:36:29.340 POLLICHINO, STEVEN That did not operate on cell network. 00:36:31.099 --> 00:36:35.089 POLLICHINO, STEVEN It was wireless, so it has to fall into this other 00:36:35.090 --> 00:36:37.490 what it did, it was a communicated to the Wi-Fi, 00:36:37.490 --> 00:36:40.934 so talked straight just like a router phone talked right to the router. 00:36:44.633 --> 00:36:45.730 POLLICHINO, STEVEN And the last one I could find. 00:36:46.900 --> 00:36:49.280 POLLICHINO, STEVEN The last example of a wireless telephone 00:36:49.280 --> 00:36:50.460 that's not a cell phone. 00:36:51.900 --> 00:36:55.090 POLLICHINO, STEVEN Umm, I don't know if you have a watched the TV show, 00:36:55.090 --> 00:36:58.650 mash or World War Two movies. 00:36:58.650 --> 00:37:00.620 I don't know if the modern. 00:37:00.620 --> 00:37:03.700 POLLICHINO, STEVEN Modern Army military uses this. 00:37:05.433 --> 00:37:06.130 POLLICHINO, STEVEN But it doesn't. 00:37:06.130 --> 00:37:09.900 All old style radiofrequency field telephone. 00:37:11.033 --> 00:37:13.810 POLLICHINO, STEVEN That the telephone operator in a company of. 00:37:13.810 --> 00:37:17.270 POLLICHINO, STEVEN Military people would have. 00:37:18.111 --> 00:37:20.560 POLLICHINO, STEVEN And pretty much what they did, they would crank this up 00:37:20.560 --> 00:37:24.560 and it would have just a one way transmission to a pay station 00:37:24.560 --> 00:37:27.180 where the commander was in safely and attent. 00:37:28.300 --> 00:37:29.980 POLLICHINO, STEVEN A safe distance from the front. 00:37:30.700 --> 00:37:32.610 POLLICHINO, STEVEN And they could get calls. 00:37:33.447 --> 00:37:34.640 POLLICHINO, STEVEN There was no like dial. 00:37:34.640 --> 00:37:37.470 You didn't dial, you know, PY 64796 but. 00:37:37.470 --> 00:37:40.380 POLLICHINO, STEVEN It was a one way you got one person. 00:37:40.380 --> 00:37:41.620 It was on one frequency. 00:37:41.620 --> 00:37:43.440 It just went from this. 00:37:43.440 --> 00:37:45.790 This set to commander in the in the camp, in the tent. 00:37:48.167 --> 00:37:49.450 POLLICHINO, STEVEN Alright, so that's. 00:37:52.156 --> 00:37:54.240 POLLICHINO, STEVEN That's what I would put under this other. 00:37:55.900 --> 00:37:58.920 POLLICHINO, STEVEN And why is because other things prior or covered? 00:38:00.300 --> 00:38:04.250 POLLICHINO, STEVEN OK, so my phones wireless phones cell phones. 00:38:04.250 --> 00:38:05.770 I should say I'm sorry. 00:38:05.770 --> 00:38:07.730 POLLICHINO, STEVEN And then other. 00:38:10.300 --> 00:38:12.450 POLLICHINO, STEVEN So after that is this other. 00:38:13.567 --> 00:38:14.440 POLLICHINO, STEVEN Now you can say it's. 00:38:14.440 --> 00:38:16.910 It's one tab to the left, so. 00:38:16.910 --> 00:38:20.620 POLLICHINO, STEVEN This gets compared to this level. 00:38:20.620 --> 00:38:26.090 POLLICHINO, STEVEN This level and this level, so I should coming down 00:38:26.090 --> 00:38:30.140 if you had a telephone that was in the cellar, then cellular network 00:38:30.140 --> 00:38:33.580 or other network, you would come in here and you have to stay here. 00:38:35.130 --> 00:38:38.110 POLLICHINO, STEVEN So from got to go down to this other you have 00:38:38.110 --> 00:38:41.270 to have a product that is not in a cell network. 00:38:41.270 --> 00:38:42.889 POLLICHINO, STEVEN And it's not wireless 00:38:42.890 --> 00:38:44.140 because it would be covered here. 00:38:47.367 --> 00:38:50.220 POLLICHINO, STEVEN So it's not a line phone with a cordless handsets, 00:38:50.220 --> 00:38:51.920 not a smart phone, because that's the type of cell phone. 00:38:51.920 --> 00:38:53.640 It's a specific smart phone. 00:38:53.640 --> 00:38:56.650 It's not a cell network, and it's not wireless and never coming down 00:38:56.650 --> 00:38:58.190 to this other. 00:38:58.190 --> 00:38:59.030 And we go inside. 00:38:59.030 --> 00:39:01.930 POLLICHINO, STEVEN And with this other covers. 00:39:11.083 --> 00:39:15.749 POLLICHINO, STEVEN Hey, the other subheading, 8517 eighteen would provide 00:39:15.749 --> 00:39:17.600 for a wired telephones. 00:39:18.532 --> 00:39:20.082 POLLICHINO, STEVEN A hardwire telephonically used 00:39:20.083 --> 00:39:21.810 to have in all our houses. 00:39:25.033 --> 00:39:26.370 POLLICHINO, STEVEN And a similar thing. 00:39:26.370 --> 00:39:28.150 So the first breakout is for video phones. 00:39:28.150 --> 00:39:29.880 POLLICHINO, STEVEN Umm. 00:39:32.967 --> 00:39:35.970 POLLICHINO, STEVEN In an apartment building or secure location, 00:39:35.970 --> 00:39:39.630 they would have a video phone which consists of a telephone set you dial in 00:39:39.630 --> 00:39:41.730 who you're trying to reach. 00:39:41.730 --> 00:39:45.050 It has what they call a television camera, has a video camera 00:39:45.050 --> 00:39:48.950 and a television receiver so you can communicate 00:39:48.950 --> 00:39:51.040 to whoever is inside the building. 00:39:51.040 --> 00:39:52.080 POLLICHINO, STEVEN It's wired. 00:39:53.833 --> 00:39:55.430 POLLICHINO, STEVEN Multi line phones is next. 00:39:55.430 --> 00:39:58.680 That's our desk phone, I guess for most of us, I assume, right. 00:39:58.680 --> 00:40:01.480 You have a couple different extensions on your phone. 00:40:01.480 --> 00:40:02.660 It's hardwired and. 00:40:05.567 --> 00:40:07.360 POLLICHINO, STEVEN You can't have a wireless handset 00:40:07.360 --> 00:40:08.460 or else it would be up above. 00:40:11.167 --> 00:40:12.380 POLLICHINO, STEVEN And then this other. 00:40:15.433 --> 00:40:17.360 POLLICHINO, STEVEN This other so weren't other meaning we're 00:40:17.360 --> 00:40:22.850 in non wireless things videophones multiline phones and this other. 00:40:24.090 --> 00:40:27.050 POLLICHINO, STEVEN Well, multi aligned corded phones here very. 00:40:27.050 --> 00:40:28.280 This would have to be. 00:40:32.832 --> 00:40:40.049 POLLICHINO, STEVEN Single line phones like the old fashioned house phones 00:40:40.050 --> 00:40:42.330 where you had one line and plugged into the wall. 00:40:42.330 --> 00:40:43.000 It's wired. 00:40:44.367 --> 00:40:46.090 POLLICHINO, STEVEN And it doesn't have a wireless handset 00:40:46.091 --> 00:40:47.730 because if it did, it would be above. 00:40:50.167 --> 00:40:50.510 POLLICHINO, STEVEN Right. 00:40:50.510 --> 00:40:53.940 So if it had a wireless headset handset, it would be up here 00:40:53.940 --> 00:40:55.350 and we would have stopped here. 00:40:56.767 --> 00:40:57.510 POLLICHINO, STEVEN OK. 00:40:57.510 --> 00:40:58.060 So that's that other. 00:40:59.633 --> 00:41:01.340 POLLICHINO, STEVEN I hope this is making sense. 00:41:02.700 --> 00:41:04.460 POLLICHINO, STEVEN OK. 00:41:04.460 --> 00:41:05.790 So the second and third breakout. 00:41:05.790 --> 00:41:09.260 POLLICHINO, STEVEN Categories of 8517. 00:41:10.500 --> 00:41:13.330 POLLICHINO, STEVEN Yeah, with my favorite we have the other apparatus. 00:41:14.567 --> 00:41:16.920 POLLICHINO, STEVEN Other apparatus for transmission or reception 00:41:16.920 --> 00:41:19.010 of voice images. 00:41:21.604 --> 00:41:22.161 POLLICHINO, STEVEN Other data. 00:41:24.500 --> 00:41:26.970 POLLICHINO, STEVEN For communication are wide or wireless network. 00:41:28.790 --> 00:41:30.920 POLLICHINO, STEVEN OK. 00:41:32.567 --> 00:41:35.380 POLLICHINO, STEVEN Other appraiser transmission are exception voice image 00:41:35.380 --> 00:41:38.280 of the other data, including those in a wired or what? 00:41:38.280 --> 00:41:40.290 OK, so the first one they have is the base station. 00:41:41.900 --> 00:41:43.730 POLLICHINO, STEVEN So now we have something that's not a telephone. 00:41:43.730 --> 00:41:48.630 You can't dialate it doesn't do anything except they're telling me it transmits 00:41:48.630 --> 00:41:49.460 and receives. 00:41:51.500 --> 00:41:53.300 POLLICHINO, STEVEN I don't know how because I'm looking at it. 00:41:53.300 --> 00:41:57.960 It's a little box, there's a couple of blokes, but it's a transceiver, 00:41:57.960 --> 00:42:01.810 which is a combination receiver, transmitter or it's one of the other. 00:42:01.810 --> 00:42:05.510 POLLICHINO, STEVEN An example of that is a base station. 00:42:06.832 --> 00:42:10.719 POLLICHINO, STEVEN So it well, OK, if it's that, then we stay here 00:42:10.720 --> 00:42:15.590 and we intent one and we see what we have to do is see 00:42:15.590 --> 00:42:17.770 what's there is the author here. 00:42:17.770 --> 00:42:18.120 Wow. 00:42:18.120 --> 00:42:19.230 I'm sorry. 00:42:19.230 --> 00:42:20.610 So base stations. 00:42:24.367 --> 00:42:27.860 POLLICHINO, STEVEN Which as per the ends and our recent decisions 00:42:27.860 --> 00:42:29.110 on such commodities. 00:42:30.167 --> 00:42:31.850 POLLICHINO, STEVEN The base stations. 00:42:33.367 --> 00:42:35.000 POLLICHINO, STEVEN That I talked about in the EN. 00:42:38.233 --> 00:42:41.030 POLLICHINO, STEVEN Convince us that that was meant to go there 00:42:41.030 --> 00:42:43.940 or Bay stations used in a cell network. 00:42:45.167 --> 00:42:47.450 POLLICHINO, STEVEN Are you again, we don't classify by name. 00:42:47.450 --> 00:42:51.580 A lot of things in various networks are called base stations. 00:42:51.580 --> 00:42:54.800 You can have a base station in a computer network. 00:42:54.800 --> 00:42:59.180 You could have something to call a base stations in a radio broadcast 00:42:59.180 --> 00:43:00.290 or TV network. 00:43:01.299 --> 00:43:07.299 POLLICHINO, STEVEN So if UH-85 seventeen, 61 ohh those base stations 00:43:07.300 --> 00:43:11.620 is our position here CBP that they're for cellular networks only? 00:43:13.033 --> 00:43:15.760 POLLICHINO, STEVEN And what they do is they receive a signal. 00:43:16.700 --> 00:43:18.610 POLLICHINO, STEVEN And they retransmit it to cover. 00:43:18.610 --> 00:43:20.600 POLLICHINO, STEVEN More area. 00:43:22.883 --> 00:43:26.450 POLLICHINO, STEVEN Transmissions of any type only can go so far. 00:43:26.450 --> 00:43:27.620 So let's say it's 1000 feet. 00:43:27.620 --> 00:43:32.560 POLLICHINO, STEVEN You transmit 1000 feet, then at the end of that 1000 foot. 00:43:34.300 --> 00:43:38.070 POLLICHINO, STEVEN Perimeter did be another base station 00:43:38.070 --> 00:43:39.460 that receives that signal. 00:43:39.460 --> 00:43:41.760 That's probably getting a little bit weak. 00:43:41.760 --> 00:43:44.720 Boosts it and retransmits it transmits it. 00:43:44.720 --> 00:43:46.490 So now you get another 1000 feet. 00:43:47.567 --> 00:43:49.810 POLLICHINO, STEVEN So you know it's not so bad these days. 00:43:49.810 --> 00:43:51.620 Been in the beginning with cell phones. 00:43:51.620 --> 00:43:54.190 You could be driving and your call would drop. 00:43:55.730 --> 00:43:57.740 POLLICHINO, STEVEN Because you went out of the range 00:43:57.740 --> 00:44:02.020 of the last cellular base station or tower and maybe you know, 00:44:02.020 --> 00:44:04.810 you're someplace rural and they haven't put up a new cell tower. 00:44:07.300 --> 00:44:11.350 POLLICHINO, STEVEN So 8517 sixty one talks about base stations. 00:44:13.273 --> 00:44:13.523 POLLICHINO, STEVEN OK. 00:44:17.099 --> 00:44:20.359 POLLICHINO, STEVEN Next we go into when I talking about a base station, 00:44:20.360 --> 00:44:22.700 but it is something that transmits and receives. 00:44:22.700 --> 00:44:28.130 POLLICHINO, STEVEN Subheading any five 1762 talks about machines 00:44:28.130 --> 00:44:34.376 for the reception, conversion and transmission or regeneration of voice, 00:44:34.379 --> 00:44:35.479 images or other data. 00:44:35.480 --> 00:44:38.750 POLLICHINO, STEVEN Including switching and routing apparatus. 00:44:40.500 --> 00:44:42.130 POLLICHINO, STEVEN So what falls here? 00:44:43.166 --> 00:44:47.229 POLLICHINO, STEVEN Has to do all three functions it has to receive, 00:44:47.230 --> 00:44:49.450 convert and transmit. 00:44:49.450 --> 00:44:53.330 POLLICHINO, STEVEN If it does not do all three, we come, we stay 00:44:53.330 --> 00:44:55.740 at this level and we come down to this other. 00:44:57.167 --> 00:44:59.950 POLLICHINO, STEVEN We don't go in, we don't go to this other cause 00:44:59.950 --> 00:45:00.850 that's underneath. 00:45:00.850 --> 00:45:05.090 POLLICHINO, STEVEN This subheading meaning I'm saying whatever goes here, 00:45:05.090 --> 00:45:06.870 does all three functions. 00:45:06.870 --> 00:45:09.290 If it doesn't do all three functions, we stay at this level 00:45:09.290 --> 00:45:10.760 and we come down to this other. 00:45:19.024 --> 00:45:19.920 POLLICHINO, STEVEN OK. 00:45:19.920 --> 00:45:23.770 And like I just said, it has to do all three functions receive, 00:45:23.770 --> 00:45:24.600 convert and transmit. 00:45:32.676 --> 00:45:34.960 POLLICHINO, STEVEN Said her first thing under this subheading 00:45:34.960 --> 00:45:38.640 that does all three talks about modems of a kind used 00:45:38.640 --> 00:45:40.290 with data processing machines. 00:45:40.290 --> 00:45:41.980 POLLICHINO, STEVEN That's kind of specific. 00:45:43.299 --> 00:45:46.939 POLLICHINO, STEVEN So we're talking about on modems, modems receive, 00:45:46.940 --> 00:45:48.710 they convert to signal to or from. 00:45:50.433 --> 00:45:52.870 POLLICHINO, STEVEN The computer versus whatever network they're trying 00:45:52.870 --> 00:45:53.720 to get on. 00:45:58.967 --> 00:46:01.750 POLLICHINO, STEVEN But this subheading is specifically for modems 00:46:01.750 --> 00:46:02.840 that you can prove to me. 00:46:02.840 --> 00:46:05.270 POLLICHINO, STEVEN Work with an ATP machine. 00:46:06.700 --> 00:46:07.525 POLLICHINO, STEVEN And I say that 00:46:07.526 --> 00:46:10.280 because you could have a modem that's used 00:46:10.280 --> 00:46:12.250 in a machine that manufacturers something. 00:46:13.633 --> 00:46:15.880 POLLICHINO, STEVEN You could have a modem that you use, uh. 00:46:17.392 --> 00:46:18.660 POLLICHINO, STEVEN In an automobile. 00:46:20.167 --> 00:46:20.760 POLLICHINO, STEVEN Their modems, 00:46:20.761 --> 00:46:23.460 meaning they're their device that gets you. 00:46:25.567 --> 00:46:26.440 POLLICHINO, STEVEN Onto the Internet. 00:46:29.433 --> 00:46:31.910 POLLICHINO, STEVEN But unless they're used in some way, 00:46:31.910 --> 00:46:35.990 they're specifically you shaped made for use with an ADP machine. 00:46:35.990 --> 00:46:37.220 They wouldn't go here. 00:46:37.220 --> 00:46:40.890 POLLICHINO, STEVEN So this is an old ruling back in the day 00:46:40.890 --> 00:46:44.170 when the laptops may or may not have an internal modem, 00:46:44.170 --> 00:46:46.240 you could buy little thumb drive type thing. 00:46:47.767 --> 00:46:49.110 POLLICHINO, STEVEN Which is a modem. 00:46:49.967 --> 00:46:50.710 POLLICHINO, STEVEN And UM. 00:46:52.967 --> 00:46:55.600 POLLICHINO, STEVEN It works on a 4G network, 00:46:55.600 --> 00:46:58.330 so there's probably a cell SIM card in here. 00:46:58.330 --> 00:47:03.510 POLLICHINO, STEVEN But it has the password or it has whatever it needs 00:47:03.510 --> 00:47:06.480 to gain access to your Internet provider. 00:47:06.480 --> 00:47:09.890 POLLICHINO, STEVEN And disturbing South through your cell network. 00:47:10.833 --> 00:47:13.300 POLLICHINO, STEVEN Cillian and network, so this is definitely made 00:47:13.300 --> 00:47:13.930 for a computer. 00:47:15.911 --> 00:47:17.820 POLLICHINO, STEVEN So somebody's gonna argue you could stick this 00:47:17.820 --> 00:47:20.780 into USB slot of a machine. 00:47:20.780 --> 00:47:21.150 I don't know. 00:47:21.150 --> 00:47:21.450 I don't think so. 00:47:21.450 --> 00:47:27.360 POLLICHINO, STEVEN This webinars for advisory purposes only. 00:47:27.360 --> 00:47:30.050 So we're gonna assume there's only works with a laptop. 00:47:32.100 --> 00:47:34.000 POLLICHINO, STEVEN If it's proven it doesn't work, the ADP machine, 00:47:34.000 --> 00:47:35.530 we have to go elsewhere. 00:47:39.300 --> 00:47:41.570 POLLICHINO, STEVEN So if it came down here, it does homework 00:47:41.570 --> 00:47:43.510 with an ADP machine. 00:47:43.510 --> 00:47:45.570 Is it a switch or router now? 00:47:45.570 --> 00:47:48.510 We said it's a modem, so then we come down to this other. 00:47:48.510 --> 00:47:51.020 POLLICHINO, STEVEN We wouldn't come out here. 00:47:52.500 --> 00:47:55.000 POLLICHINO, STEVEN Because we've already staying 00:47:55.000 --> 00:47:59.650 at the same levels we've already come within the two indent area. 00:47:59.650 --> 00:48:03.320 We're gonna stay there and we would default to this other 00:48:03.320 --> 00:48:04.810 if it wasn't the type of motor. 00:48:04.810 --> 00:48:05.240 No one was. 00:48:05.240 --> 00:48:06.123 The data processing machine. 00:48:07.500 --> 00:48:10.010 POLLICHINO, STEVEN So next we have my favorite switching 00:48:10.010 --> 00:48:11.210 and routing apparatus. 00:48:12.367 --> 00:48:14.800 POLLICHINO, STEVEN This is relatively new, maybe 2-3, 00:48:14.800 --> 00:48:17.840 a 100 years now it feels like, but maybe two 00:48:17.840 --> 00:48:19.620 or three years ago I don't remember. 00:48:20.880 --> 00:48:22.570 POLLICHINO, STEVEN Switching and routing apparatus 00:48:22.570 --> 00:48:25.250 was actually giving its given its own subheading. 00:48:25.250 --> 00:48:26.480 POLLICHINO, STEVEN Umm. 00:48:26.480 --> 00:48:29.080 POLLICHINO, STEVEN A 10 digit level. 00:48:29.080 --> 00:48:33.350 POLLICHINO, STEVEN Which caused some confusion at the time a little bit. 00:48:33.350 --> 00:48:34.360 Not much, a little confusion. 00:48:36.233 --> 00:48:39.330 POLLICHINO, STEVEN Because it says switching and routing apparatus, 00:48:39.330 --> 00:48:41.110 it doesn't say switches and routers. 00:48:42.767 --> 00:48:45.021 POLLICHINO, STEVEN Switching and routing apparatus. 00:48:53.449 --> 00:48:56.660 POLLICHINO, STEVEN The subheading is not limited to the commodities 00:48:56.660 --> 00:48:59.150 that we call switches and routers. 00:48:59.150 --> 00:49:01.790 Thankfully, because like I said, we don't classify my name. 00:49:03.100 --> 00:49:06.060 POLLICHINO, STEVEN What the devices like a classified here have to. 00:49:06.060 --> 00:49:09.140 POLLICHINO, STEVEN Perform a switching and routing function. 00:49:09.140 --> 00:49:16.250 POLLICHINO, STEVEN Not just be part of the flow part of the network. 00:49:18.567 --> 00:49:21.470 POLLICHINO, STEVEN OK, so let's just look at this quick to be classified 00:49:21.470 --> 00:49:25.510 as switching routing, the device must perform a switching and routing. 00:49:25.510 --> 00:49:27.290 POLLICHINO, STEVEN Function. 00:49:27.290 --> 00:49:28.520 POLLICHINO, STEVEN And. 00:49:28.520 --> 00:49:32.590 POLLICHINO, STEVEN As we were working through what gets classified here 00:49:32.590 --> 00:49:35.880 because this so subheading breakout was sort of sprung on us. 00:49:35.880 --> 00:49:37.170 POLLICHINO, STEVEN Sorry. 00:49:37.170 --> 00:49:42.230 POLLICHINO, STEVEN My headquarters attorney buddy worked, did 00:49:42.230 --> 00:49:45.210 a lot of work trying to figure out and weed 00:49:45.210 --> 00:49:48.850 through how we should look at these and how to define them. 00:49:48.850 --> 00:49:51.183 POLLICHINO, STEVEN Umm, he worked 00:49:51.184 --> 00:49:53.970 with the telecommunications trade groups. 00:49:53.970 --> 00:49:57.220 POLLICHINO, STEVEN They had some great input. 00:49:57.220 --> 00:50:01.170 POLLICHINO, STEVEN And we have arrived at these definitions that are 00:50:01.170 --> 00:50:01.650 to follow. 00:50:01.650 --> 00:50:04.680 POLLICHINO, STEVEN But there was a lot of work shipping through this stuff, 00:50:05.660 --> 00:50:09.860 so these three headquarters rulings that are on the slide I feel are terrific 00:50:09.860 --> 00:50:16.170 and trying to get a better understanding of what a switch and a router is. 00:50:16.170 --> 00:50:22.050 POLLICHINO, STEVEN Now, why we? 00:50:22.050 --> 00:50:24.810 Why we saying that is because when this first came out, 00:50:24.810 --> 00:50:29.120 quite possibly we might might have viewed like a router as well. 00:50:29.120 --> 00:50:31.220 Anything if you just telling me it's routing data. 00:50:31.220 --> 00:50:33.831 POLLICHINO, STEVEN In the beginning we thought, well, 00:50:33.832 --> 00:50:36.780 that's like taking data from point to A and sending it to point B. 00:50:36.780 --> 00:50:40.490 POLLICHINO, STEVEN So that could be a base station. 00:50:40.490 --> 00:50:43.800 POLLICHINO, STEVEN That could be a range extender. 00:50:43.800 --> 00:50:48.680 Could that be hot spot all those things take a reception. 00:50:48.680 --> 00:50:51.320 POLLICHINO, STEVEN Receive a reception, receive a signal, 00:50:51.321 --> 00:50:53.300 and then send it on its way. 00:50:53.967 --> 00:50:56.340 POLLICHINO, STEVEN Well, I'm gonna say me, I was wrong. 00:50:58.100 --> 00:51:01.930 POLLICHINO, STEVEN The definition of routing and or switching is not 00:51:01.930 --> 00:51:04.380 that it just takes a signal and extends it. 00:51:05.900 --> 00:51:08.910 POLLICHINO, STEVEN There has to be some analysis. 00:51:08.910 --> 00:51:13.460 I thought process as to hey, where am I sending this signal? 00:51:13.460 --> 00:51:16.361 POLLICHINO, STEVEN I'm not just sending it out there, 00:51:16.362 --> 00:51:19.421 I have to figure out where this thing look goes in the most efficient way 00:51:19.422 --> 00:51:20.440 of getting it there. 00:51:21.567 --> 00:51:22.700 POLLICHINO, STEVEN So that's what these headings 00:51:22.700 --> 00:51:24.620 and this little slide is saying. 00:51:24.620 --> 00:51:27.720 There are a lot of devices that connect other devices together 00:51:27.720 --> 00:51:30.750 to take a signal they and then they send it further. 00:51:30.750 --> 00:51:35.270 But if it's not making a conscious active decision, 00:51:35.270 --> 00:51:37.657 it's probably not a switch or a router. 00:51:43.308 --> 00:51:45.589 POLLICHINO, STEVEN So when you router a router is a device 00:51:45.590 --> 00:51:47.780 that incorporates intelligent hardware. 00:51:47.780 --> 00:51:51.710 POLLICHINO, STEVEN It has something within it called routing tables. 00:51:51.710 --> 00:51:57.950 POLLICHINO, STEVEN And it performs optimized path selection for data 00:51:57.950 --> 00:52:00.660 and multi point scenarios between computer networks. 00:52:00.660 --> 00:52:04.460 POLLICHINO, STEVEN So within a router there's a table of networks, 00:52:04.460 --> 00:52:05.230 I'm gonna say. 00:52:05.230 --> 00:52:08.680 POLLICHINO, STEVEN And when it receives data, it receives input. 00:52:10.167 --> 00:52:13.150 POLLICHINO, STEVEN It checks some address the information you send out 00:52:13.150 --> 00:52:14.020 is called a packet. 00:52:14.020 --> 00:52:17.470 It's a packet of information, and on there, when you're trying 00:52:17.470 --> 00:52:20.130 to send something out through the Internet of someplace. 00:52:20.967 --> 00:52:22.880 POLLICHINO, STEVEN It has an address on it. 00:52:22.880 --> 00:52:26.560 Well, there's a table of routing table in your router. 00:52:28.300 --> 00:52:30.420 POLLICHINO, STEVEN I'm not even gonna pretend I know how it works, 00:52:30.420 --> 00:52:35.240 but it compares the address on your packet to which tables 00:52:35.240 --> 00:52:38.530 and to the network that's coming from and the network it's going to. 00:52:39.567 --> 00:52:42.460 POLLICHINO, STEVEN And figure out figures out the best way 00:52:42.460 --> 00:52:43.480 to get that packet delivered. 00:52:43.480 --> 00:52:45.230 POLLICHINO, STEVEN Does it descend it? 00:52:45.230 --> 00:52:49.200 POLLICHINO, STEVEN It's doing some thinking and it's doing the best. 00:52:49.200 --> 00:52:53.360 POLLICHINO, STEVEN Taking the best route to get your information out. 00:52:55.700 --> 00:52:59.720 POLLICHINO, STEVEN Bradders work as as a uh dispatcher directing traffic, 00:52:59.720 --> 00:53:04.870 the analyzed data being sent across a network and they choose the best route 00:53:04.870 --> 00:53:05.800 for the data to travel. 00:53:08.233 --> 00:53:11.320 POLLICHINO, STEVEN So rather router is not just forwarding, it's. 00:53:12.033 --> 00:53:13.760 POLLICHINO, STEVEN Actively making a decision. 00:53:14.880 --> 00:53:19.170 Yeah, there's something called the open system interconnection model. 00:53:20.899 --> 00:53:24.179 POLLICHINO, STEVEN And it's a model of layers that tells us 00:53:24.180 --> 00:53:29.800 where different types of machines or functionality occurs within a network. 00:53:31.233 --> 00:53:34.370 POLLICHINO, STEVEN And the trade association that worked 00:53:34.371 --> 00:53:38.051 with our Hikaru's court as attorney brought this to light. 00:53:39.040 --> 00:53:41.193 And they're telling us that route is operate 00:53:41.194 --> 00:53:42.820 in the third layer of this model. 00:53:44.433 --> 00:53:46.470 POLLICHINO, STEVEN The open system interconnection model. 00:53:47.833 --> 00:53:50.210 POLLICHINO, STEVEN Does that matter where it operates? 00:53:50.210 --> 00:53:52.180 Well, it helps us understand a product better. 00:53:52.180 --> 00:53:57.230 If you looked at this table like layer one is the physical aspects, 00:53:57.230 --> 00:53:59.790 maybe a wires and just connectors and stuff layer too. 00:53:59.790 --> 00:54:02.130 POLLICHINO, STEVEN Would be a simpler. 00:54:05.633 --> 00:54:07.590 POLLICHINO, STEVEN Transmission devices lay a three. 00:54:07.590 --> 00:54:08.860 We get more complicated. 00:54:08.860 --> 00:54:10.320 Lay a four so one and so forth. 00:54:13.567 --> 00:54:16.360 POLLICHINO, STEVEN So it doesn't help us classify, but it's nice to know. 00:54:18.300 --> 00:54:19.790 POLLICHINO, STEVEN OK, I just lost everything. 00:54:22.567 --> 00:54:24.160 POLLICHINO, STEVEN More about a routing table. 00:54:24.900 --> 00:54:28.030 POLLICHINO, STEVEN If adding table or routing information base 00:54:28.030 --> 00:54:32.900 is a data table stored in a router, it allows a router to direct packages 00:54:32.900 --> 00:54:35.230 to the appropriate destination. 00:54:35.230 --> 00:54:39.140 Without this table, a router cannot direct traffic. 00:54:39.140 --> 00:54:42.370 Now that's currently that's what a router needs. 00:54:42.370 --> 00:54:46.390 Who knows, in the future, I hate putting things putting things down like this 00:54:46.390 --> 00:54:50.310 because it makes it sound absolute and I'm just going to check this 00:54:50.310 --> 00:54:51.510 and it doesn't have that. 00:54:51.510 --> 00:54:52.640 It can't be there. 00:54:52.640 --> 00:54:55.850 Well, my next question would be does it have something? 00:54:55.850 --> 00:54:58.840 POLLICHINO, STEVEN Akin to that, is there some new technology 00:54:58.840 --> 00:55:00.610 that takes the place of a routing table? 00:55:01.603 --> 00:55:06.469 The question is, is there is this device you considering a router doesn't make? 00:55:06.470 --> 00:55:10.820 POLLICHINO, STEVEN Active smart decisions on 00:55:10.820 --> 00:55:15.850 how to direct the information the packet of information tomorrow. 00:55:15.850 --> 00:55:17.490 Maybe it won't be cold or routing table. 00:55:17.490 --> 00:55:21.070 It'll be called something else, so don't get hung up 00:55:21.070 --> 00:55:23.800 on the current terminal terminology. 00:55:23.800 --> 00:55:24.920 Look at the overall picture. 00:55:24.920 --> 00:55:28.770 You have a device that's receiving a data packet, reading an address 00:55:28.770 --> 00:55:32.460 and making a conscious decision of how to forward it. 00:55:32.460 --> 00:55:33.270 Well, how does it do with that? 00:55:33.270 --> 00:55:34.520 I would ask. 00:55:34.520 --> 00:55:37.270 Well, doesn't have a routing table, so it can't be that. 00:55:37.270 --> 00:55:38.242 How does it do it? 00:55:38.242 --> 00:55:39.800 POLLICHINO, STEVEN Well, it has something else. 00:55:39.800 --> 00:55:41.367 Well, then it's still going to be a router. 00:55:42.500 --> 00:55:45.500 POLLICHINO, STEVEN It's making a conscious decision analyzing. 00:55:46.500 --> 00:55:48.100 POLLICHINO, STEVEN OK. 00:55:48.767 --> 00:55:51.167 POLLICHINO, STEVEN It again, it's an Internet page. 00:55:53.233 --> 00:55:55.300 POLLICHINO, STEVEN I think that's plenty about routers. 00:55:55.300 --> 00:55:58.100 POLLICHINO, STEVEN A switch, also a switch. 00:55:58.100 --> 00:56:00.467 POLLICHINO, STEVEN Is a network device 00:56:00.467 --> 00:56:02.767 incorporating intelligent hardware? 00:56:02.767 --> 00:56:05.567 POLLICHINO, STEVEN It uses that a routing table, 00:56:05.567 --> 00:56:08.567 but it uses something called a Mac address table. 00:57:51.664 --> 00:57:54.304 POLLICHINO, STEVEN OK, so the key to the full growing concepts is 00:57:54.304 --> 00:57:55.667 that routing and switching. 00:57:56.904 --> 00:57:59.584 POLLICHINO, STEVEN I define that by allowing devices to connect 00:57:59.584 --> 00:58:02.567 to one another, but the ability to perform intelligent path selection. 00:58:03.567 --> 00:58:05.367 POLLICHINO, STEVEN I I think we've beaten this to death. 00:58:09.172 --> 00:58:11.532 POLLICHINO, STEVEN Hold on while my computer refreshes. 00:58:13.392 --> 00:58:16.190 POLLICHINO, STEVEN So when looking at routing switching devices. 00:58:17.033 --> 00:58:19.210 POLLICHINO, STEVEN After deciding that what 00:58:19.210 --> 00:58:24.020 what gets classified there are not the commodity known as routers and switches. 00:58:24.020 --> 00:58:27.710 POLLICHINO, STEVEN But things that perform the routing 00:58:27.710 --> 00:58:29.340 and switching function. 00:58:29.340 --> 00:58:32.440 POLLICHINO, STEVEN And I've been now we know that we decided 00:58:32.440 --> 00:58:35.070 that the routing and switching function. 00:58:35.070 --> 00:58:37.620 POLLICHINO, STEVEN Is an intelligent path. 00:58:37.620 --> 00:58:40.320 POLLICHINO, STEVEN Selection functionality. 00:58:41.791 --> 00:58:42.223 POLLICHINO, STEVEN OK. 00:58:44.033 --> 00:58:47.000 POLLICHINO, STEVEN So here we had a ruling for something called a gateway. 00:58:48.300 --> 00:58:51.640 POLLICHINO, STEVEN And the question was, well, the gateway is that a route 00:58:51.640 --> 00:58:53.780 or it's not a switch, it can't be classified as a router 00:58:53.780 --> 00:58:55.230 and switching apparatus? 00:58:56.033 --> 00:58:57.545 POLLICHINO, STEVEN Amy molded around for a while. 00:58:59.700 --> 00:59:01.990 POLLICHINO, STEVEN I'll give credit to my headquarters. 00:59:01.990 --> 00:59:07.310 Attorneys are doing all the tough work and coming to these decisions. 00:59:07.310 --> 00:59:10.600 POLLICHINO, STEVEN Uh, thankfully now because I had an end with the. 00:59:12.167 --> 00:59:13.133 POLLICHINO, STEVEN Communication. 00:59:25.939 --> 00:59:28.259 POLLICHINO, STEVEN But what it is is it works between. 00:59:33.539 --> 00:59:37.760 POLLICHINO, STEVEN So what it does besides routing is it converts. 01:00:02.359 --> 01:00:06.353 POLLICHINO, STEVEN Bought decision was is performing a routing function. 01:00:09.433 --> 01:00:11.967 POLLICHINO, STEVEN That's a decent rule on to read 01:00:11.967 --> 01:00:14.033 if you ever have a question about that. 01:00:15.500 --> 01:00:18.133 POLLICHINO, STEVEN So to pointed out was, it's not restricted to routers 01:00:18.133 --> 01:00:19.080 and switches. 01:00:19.080 --> 01:00:22.080 If you have a device that's performing a routing and switching function, 01:00:22.080 --> 01:00:23.770 I don't care what you call it. 01:00:23.770 --> 01:00:25.770 We don't classify by name. 01:00:25.770 --> 01:00:27.130 I have to know what it's doing. 01:00:27.130 --> 01:00:31.740 POLLICHINO, STEVEN So a lot of times I will ask, tell me what's happening 01:00:31.740 --> 01:00:35.060 in this device in layman's terms, because you may not believe this, 01:00:35.060 --> 01:00:36.310 but I'm not a genius. 01:00:37.700 --> 01:00:40.100 POLLICHINO, STEVEN What type of signals going into this box? 01:00:41.811 --> 01:00:43.210 POLLICHINO, STEVEN What happens in the box? 01:00:44.167 --> 01:00:45.820 POLLICHINO, STEVEN Does that signal gets changed? 01:00:45.820 --> 01:00:46.790 Why does it get changed? 01:00:46.790 --> 01:00:48.620 How does it get changed? 01:00:48.620 --> 01:00:51.060 What's coming at it the the box and where is it going? 01:00:53.833 --> 01:00:54.980 POLLICHINO, STEVEN So in this case it would be. 01:00:54.980 --> 01:00:58.400 Well, I have a signal from the network A that needs to be converted 01:00:58.400 --> 01:01:01.520 because network B where it's destination is, 01:01:01.520 --> 01:01:04.420 doesn't understand that language Hussam. 01:01:04.420 --> 01:01:06.040 So it gets converted, yeah. 01:01:06.040 --> 01:01:06.920 Then what happens? 01:01:06.920 --> 01:01:09.410 Well then it checks us routing tables and make OK, 01:01:09.410 --> 01:01:10.670 so it's doing a routing function. 01:01:10.670 --> 01:01:14.860 POLLICHINO, STEVEN So it's not outside the realm of reasonability. 01:01:14.860 --> 01:01:19.000 POLLICHINO, STEVEN That's performing a routing function, so it goes there. 01:01:19.000 --> 01:01:21.024 So not only not only routers and switches, 01:01:21.025 --> 01:01:23.580 but things that perform routing and switching functions. 01:01:26.500 --> 01:01:27.560 POLLICHINO, STEVEN So then, here's another other. 01:01:29.833 --> 01:01:32.430 POLLICHINO, STEVEN So how is that thing? 01:01:32.430 --> 01:01:36.990 It's like, so if you remember, the subheading was devices that transmit, 01:01:36.990 --> 01:01:39.553 receive and convert to all three functions 01:01:39.554 --> 01:01:41.580 that we went within those modems. 01:01:41.580 --> 01:01:45.430 It was switches and there was other so that would that would be something 01:01:45.430 --> 01:01:46.190 that does all three. 01:01:49.367 --> 01:01:52.200 POLLICHINO, STEVEN So here's the this is the other, so it's not a modem, 01:01:52.200 --> 01:01:53.080 it's not a switch. 01:01:53.080 --> 01:01:54.810 POLLICHINO, STEVEN Than other shows up. 01:01:54.810 --> 01:01:58.510 POLLICHINO, STEVEN While other has to be has to be in line 01:01:58.510 --> 01:02:00.730 with that subheading that it does all three. 01:02:02.633 --> 01:02:03.920 POLLICHINO, STEVEN Just not the two above. 01:02:03.920 --> 01:02:06.140 It is not a modem, and it's not a switch. 01:02:06.140 --> 01:02:11.380 So 8517 sixty two ohh 90 other provides for devices 01:02:11.380 --> 01:02:15.140 that do all three functions perception, conversion, transmission, 01:02:15.140 --> 01:02:17.320 regeneration of voice images like data. 01:02:17.320 --> 01:02:21.150 Except it ain't a modem because we know that's covered above. 01:02:22.900 --> 01:02:25.250 POLLICHINO, STEVEN And then Anna Switch or routing apparatus, 01:02:25.250 --> 01:02:27.470 because that is also covered above. 01:02:27.470 --> 01:02:32.980 So it's anything except that that does all three functions. 01:02:32.980 --> 01:02:36.400 POLLICHINO, STEVEN Pence, a Wi-Fi range extender. 01:02:37.567 --> 01:02:39.070 POLLICHINO, STEVEN And what that is is a device. 01:02:39.070 --> 01:02:43.420 You might have a dead spot in your home or you have like a camp 01:02:43.420 --> 01:02:44.140 as a college campus. 01:02:44.140 --> 01:02:47.540 POLLICHINO, STEVEN You have your router and your computer system 01:02:47.540 --> 01:02:51.330 of 1 ended a campus and you're trying to get that signal to the other end. 01:02:51.330 --> 01:02:55.470 You employ a bunch of Wi-Fi range extenders, which received the signal 01:02:55.470 --> 01:02:59.689 at the point it's starting to get weak 100 feet, 200 feet, 01:02:59.690 --> 01:03:03.330 and rebroadcast the signal for another 100 feet. 01:03:03.330 --> 01:03:07.700 At that point, you have another Wi-Fi range extender, and it goes on and on, 01:03:07.700 --> 01:03:08.940 and you keep adding more. 01:03:08.940 --> 01:03:12.220 It keeps receiving, boosting the signal and sending it out. 01:03:14.433 --> 01:03:15.400 POLLICHINO, STEVEN That would go in the other. 01:03:16.633 --> 01:03:19.100 POLLICHINO, STEVEN 8517 Sixty two ohh 90. 01:03:20.367 --> 01:03:21.860 POLLICHINO, STEVEN Because it's not a modem. 01:03:21.860 --> 01:03:24.990 POLLICHINO, STEVEN And it is not a router switch. 01:03:24.990 --> 01:03:27.000 It doesn't have and why isn't it a router switch? 01:03:27.000 --> 01:03:29.415 Because it doesn't have any intelligence, 01:03:29.416 --> 01:03:31.140 it's just receiving a signal. 01:03:31.140 --> 01:03:33.680 POLLICHINO, STEVEN Boasting it, which I guess we consider 01:03:33.680 --> 01:03:34.600 the conversion part. 01:03:34.600 --> 01:03:37.120 POLLICHINO, STEVEN Sometimes it has to convert it 01:03:37.120 --> 01:03:38.860 prior to boosting aversive visa. 01:03:38.860 --> 01:03:42.070 POLLICHINO, STEVEN Is boosting it and then rebroadcast, 01:03:42.070 --> 01:03:45.110 but just going out Willy nilly, it's going out there. 01:03:45.110 --> 01:03:47.100 There is no path selection. 01:03:47.100 --> 01:03:51.120 It's a dumb thing, so it can't be a router or a switch. 01:03:51.120 --> 01:03:53.820 POLLICHINO, STEVEN That would come in other that's would go 01:03:53.820 --> 01:03:56.380 in other you ask how can tell you a hub. 01:03:58.367 --> 01:03:59.420 POLLICHINO, STEVEN Now this is one of the things 01:03:59.420 --> 01:04:04.430 that probably I'm pretty sure, so I'm gonna say it used to be an 8471 01:04:04.430 --> 01:04:06.867 prior to 2007. 01:04:07.767 --> 01:04:10.050 POLLICHINO, STEVEN Now it's an 8517. 01:04:10.050 --> 01:04:11.050 I'm pretty sure it's gonna. 01:04:12.060 --> 01:04:12.530 So what is the hub? 01:04:12.530 --> 01:04:15.010 POLLICHINO, STEVEN A Hobbit is like a switch. 01:04:16.700 --> 01:04:18.260 POLLICHINO, STEVEN Except it's stupid. 01:04:18.260 --> 01:04:24.330 A hub makes no decisions, whereas a switch receives the data packet 01:04:24.330 --> 01:04:24.790 and goes hmm. 01:04:24.790 --> 01:04:27.040 Who was this addressed to? 01:04:27.040 --> 01:04:28.690 And let me send it only to them. 01:04:29.967 --> 01:04:32.370 POLLICHINO, STEVEN This hub receives a signal, 01:04:32.370 --> 01:04:34.370 and let's imagine there are five slots there. 01:04:34.370 --> 01:04:37.800 There are five different people plugged into those. 01:04:39.167 --> 01:04:39.840 POLLICHINO, STEVEN Ports. 01:04:41.433 --> 01:04:43.160 POLLICHINO, STEVEN So the HOB takes in a signal 01:04:43.160 --> 01:04:46.520 and broadcasts it out exactly the same. 01:04:46.520 --> 01:04:49.620 POLLICHINO, STEVEN Through all those five ports, 01:04:49.620 --> 01:04:51.720 so everybody gets the same signal. 01:04:51.720 --> 01:04:54.080 There is no thinking, there's no one else. 01:04:54.080 --> 01:04:56.210 There's no path selection. 01:04:56.210 --> 01:05:00.430 Hopefully the computer, the printer, the fax machine, whatever's hooked up. 01:05:00.430 --> 01:05:05.770 POLLICHINO, STEVEN To those ports has internally some kind of, 01:05:05.770 --> 01:05:08.950 UM computer analysis system that says, yeah, this ain't mine. 01:05:08.950 --> 01:05:09.650 I don't want this. 01:05:09.650 --> 01:05:11.680 POLLICHINO, STEVEN So there. 01:05:13.367 --> 01:05:16.409 POLLICHINO, STEVEN Accepting or denying the input of this, 01:05:16.410 --> 01:05:19.280 the incoming signal would be on the device itself, 01:05:19.280 --> 01:05:22.900 but this hub is a silly thing that just takes 1 signal 01:05:22.900 --> 01:05:26.390 and broadcasts the same exact thing to anybody plugged into it, 01:05:26.390 --> 01:05:29.940 so it's not a switch, it's not a router, it falls into other. 01:05:31.967 --> 01:05:33.581 POLLICHINO, STEVEN But it does all three things. 01:05:35.589 --> 01:05:38.889 POLLICHINO, STEVEN A repeater is the same thing as we just talked about. 01:05:38.890 --> 01:05:43.590 It takes a signal, boosts it, and we broadcasts it. 01:05:43.590 --> 01:05:45.740 POLLICHINO, STEVEN There's no intelligence to it. 01:05:45.740 --> 01:05:47.580 It's not deciding where it goes. 01:05:47.580 --> 01:05:48.910 Anybody with a cell phone? 01:05:48.910 --> 01:05:52.060 I guess this is a picture of we'll pick up that signal. 01:05:52.060 --> 01:05:54.120 It's not just going to Johnny boy. 01:05:54.120 --> 01:05:56.490 It's going to ever has a self on an area. 01:06:01.900 --> 01:06:03.710 POLLICHINO, STEVEN We are so then where is that? 01:06:03.710 --> 01:06:04.160 Do I have it? 01:06:06.700 --> 01:06:08.480 POLLICHINO, STEVEN Yeah, I'm new to this teams thing, 01:06:08.480 --> 01:06:09.340 so give me a second, yeah. 01:06:09.340 --> 01:06:11.450 POLLICHINO, STEVEN OK. 01:06:11.450 --> 01:06:13.150 So we were under the subheading, it said. 01:06:13.150 --> 01:06:15.680 POLLICHINO, STEVEN Receives, transmits 01:06:15.681 --> 01:06:17.631 and converts the subheading did all three. 01:06:18.999 --> 01:06:26.299 POLLICHINO, STEVEN If you have a device that does not do all three. 01:06:27.767 --> 01:06:35.730 POLLICHINO, STEVEN So what would go into other of 85 seventeen 69? 01:06:35.730 --> 01:06:37.263 Ohh. 01:06:37.263 --> 01:06:39.560 POLLICHINO, STEVEN Are things that don't do well three functions. 01:06:39.560 --> 01:06:43.890 POLLICHINO, STEVEN Umm this is a block up converter 01:06:43.909 --> 01:06:45.479 and a low noise block converter. 01:06:45.480 --> 01:06:49.340 POLLICHINO, STEVEN Umm, whatever the heck they are, 01:06:49.340 --> 01:06:52.360 they don't do all three functions. 01:06:52.360 --> 01:06:53.240 POLLICHINO, STEVEN OK, the. 01:06:53.240 --> 01:06:56.750 POLLICHINO, STEVEN The buck, as they call it, only transmits. 01:06:56.750 --> 01:06:58.190 POLLICHINO, STEVEN It doesn't receive. 01:06:58.190 --> 01:07:01.960 POLLICHINO, STEVEN The LPN only receives, it doesn't transmit, 01:07:01.960 --> 01:07:04.230 so it cannot go under that subheading. 01:07:04.230 --> 01:07:08.600 Though I'm I said those all three, so it defaults to the other subheading. 01:07:09.900 --> 01:07:11.010 POLLICHINO, STEVEN Similarly. 01:07:12.567 --> 01:07:14.350 POLLICHINO, STEVEN An old school pager. 01:07:15.833 --> 01:07:17.870 POLLICHINO, STEVEN It will receive the page. 01:07:17.870 --> 01:07:20.170 POLLICHINO, STEVEN You could read it. 01:07:21.433 --> 01:07:24.490 POLLICHINO, STEVEN But as far as I know, you cannot respond. 01:07:24.490 --> 01:07:27.240 If you could respond, then it wouldn't go here. 01:07:27.240 --> 01:07:27.900 It would go into the other. 01:07:28.972 --> 01:07:30.932 POLLICHINO, STEVEN Subheading. 01:07:32.367 --> 01:07:35.190 POLLICHINO, STEVEN Or we're assuming what I'm saying here is correct 01:07:35.190 --> 01:07:38.880 because this is only for advisory opinions. 01:07:38.880 --> 01:07:42.210 This pager could not transmit, it just received. 01:07:42.210 --> 01:07:44.189 As such it would fall to this other. 01:07:49.433 --> 01:07:51.430 POLLICHINO, STEVEN I wish I could see what's the next. 01:07:51.430 --> 01:07:52.760 OK, so now we're going to get. 01:07:52.760 --> 01:07:53.450 Yeah. 01:07:53.450 --> 01:07:54.210 I'm sorry. 01:07:54.210 --> 01:07:56.000 Now we're getting into parts. 01:08:02.500 --> 01:08:04.640 POLLICHINO, STEVEN So we were under other apparatus. 01:08:04.640 --> 01:08:10.210 We did base stations and then we came down to things that have to do all three 01:08:10.210 --> 01:08:14.020 where we had modems and switches and routers and it wasn't one of those, 01:08:14.020 --> 01:08:15.340 but yet it did all three. 01:08:15.340 --> 01:08:16.830 It would fall to this other. 01:08:16.830 --> 01:08:19.910 POLLICHINO, STEVEN If we came down, we had a device 01:08:19.910 --> 01:08:21.240 that did not do all three. 01:08:21.240 --> 01:08:22.680 We would not come in here. 01:08:22.680 --> 01:08:25.910 We would stay at this level and come down to this other 01:08:25.910 --> 01:08:31.140 because it's the same level and that's with a block and the Lync and the pager 01:08:31.140 --> 01:08:34.410 and other things that didn't deal well, three functions would go. 01:08:36.300 --> 01:08:44.140 POLLICHINO, STEVEN And we have a new item in pots aerials 01:08:44.140 --> 01:08:46.850 and arrow aerial reflectors of all kinds. 01:08:46.850 --> 01:08:51.390 POLLICHINO, STEVEN And parts suitable for use therewith. 01:08:51.390 --> 01:08:53.390 POLLICHINO, STEVEN So this is a no. 01:08:53.390 --> 01:08:57.490 Before we never had antennas aerials within the parts. 01:08:59.300 --> 01:09:01.450 POLLICHINO, STEVEN Subheading at 8517. 01:09:01.450 --> 01:09:06.250 POLLICHINO, STEVEN But I believe like 8525 or maybe it's 8529, the TV. 01:09:06.250 --> 01:09:09.550 POLLICHINO, STEVEN The Tapee UM headings. 01:09:09.550 --> 01:09:13.269 POLLICHINO, STEVEN Had a pause provision that provided 01:09:13.270 --> 01:09:14.680 for antennas aerials. 01:09:17.233 --> 01:09:18.720 POLLICHINO, STEVEN So when it came down to, you know, 01:09:18.720 --> 01:09:23.170 you had an antenna that was used for my stuff, it I 517. 01:09:23.170 --> 01:09:24.825 POLLICHINO, STEVEN Umm, 01:09:24.826 --> 01:09:28.070 I would either go into parts or would go into one 01:09:28.070 --> 01:09:31.880 of the actual subheadings, depending on how it functioned. 01:09:31.880 --> 01:09:35.500 POLLICHINO, STEVEN OK, so now we're at parts and we come under 01:09:35.500 --> 01:09:38.630 and either it's an antenna or it's not. 01:09:38.630 --> 01:09:39.780 Let me go back here. 01:09:46.397 --> 01:09:48.560 POLLICHINO, STEVEN OK, so when we have something called a part. 01:09:50.042 --> 01:09:51.870 POLLICHINO, STEVEN In a real world, real agrees apart. 01:09:51.870 --> 01:09:54.440 POLLICHINO, STEVEN It's made for this machine. 01:09:54.440 --> 01:09:57.210 It can only be used in this machine. 01:09:57.210 --> 01:09:59.966 I don't know what else to do with this thing 01:09:59.967 --> 01:10:02.640 except scroll it into this machine. It's a part. 01:10:04.900 --> 01:10:06.290 POLLICHINO, STEVEN OK, that's great. 01:10:06.290 --> 01:10:10.850 But for tariff purposes, we look at these things that we all agree aparts 01:10:10.850 --> 01:10:17.230 and we have to apply section 16, Note 2 or Note 2 to section 16. 01:10:18.833 --> 01:10:21.970 POLLICHINO, STEVEN And this is talking about chapters 84 and 85. 01:10:25.167 --> 01:10:25.800 POLLICHINO, STEVEN OK. 01:10:25.800 --> 01:10:26.660 And what it says. 01:10:26.660 --> 01:10:27.880 And I'm gonna paraphrase. 01:10:27.880 --> 01:10:33.060 POLLICHINO, STEVEN A parts which are goods included in any of the headings 01:10:33.060 --> 01:10:38.730 of chapter 8485 are in all cases to be classified in their respective heading. 01:10:38.730 --> 01:10:40.720 What that says is if I have a part. 01:10:42.767 --> 01:10:51.090 POLLICHINO, STEVEN But I would say uh, power supply, I have a power supply 01:10:51.090 --> 01:10:52.130 for a computer. 01:10:52.130 --> 01:10:56.650 It's a printed circuit board that goes in my computer that changes AC current 01:10:56.650 --> 01:10:58.690 to DC current of 12 volts. 01:10:58.690 --> 01:11:00.630 It's a rectifier or it's an inverter? 01:11:00.630 --> 01:11:03.230 POLLICHINO, STEVEN Yeah, it's a part of this computer. 01:11:04.099 --> 01:11:08.839 POLLICHINO, STEVEN But based on this note, if I can find a specific heading 01:11:08.840 --> 01:11:14.550 in Charters 8485, I classify there way before it classify it 01:11:14.550 --> 01:11:16.010 as a part anywhere else. 01:11:18.072 --> 01:11:20.290 POLLICHINO, STEVEN Now you're looking at these headings that I have here 01:11:20.290 --> 01:11:21.730 and says other than these headings. 01:11:23.300 --> 01:11:25.710 POLLICHINO, STEVEN These headings are parts headings. 01:11:25.710 --> 01:11:26.630 They're not specific headings. 01:11:28.116 --> 01:11:29.250 POLLICHINO, STEVEN Like I know 8503. 01:11:29.250 --> 01:11:33.530 POLLICHINO, STEVEN It's the heading that says parts for generators 01:11:33.530 --> 01:11:36.380 and electric motors, which is the heading 01:11:36.380 --> 01:11:39.760 of that comes before this 8501 eighty 502. 01:11:41.767 --> 01:11:45.280 POLLICHINO, STEVEN 8548 is a general parts provision, 01:11:45.280 --> 01:11:47.450 parts other parts nobody wants to do. 01:11:47.450 --> 01:11:47.880 I call it. 01:11:47.880 --> 01:11:51.410 It's a parts electrical parts basket provision. 01:11:51.410 --> 01:11:53.070 POLLICHINO, STEVEN Which makes sense because we're trying 01:11:53.070 --> 01:11:55.460 to get this item we call a part. 01:11:55.460 --> 01:11:57.420 We're trying to get it into the most specific heading. 01:11:57.420 --> 01:12:00.710 POLLICHINO, STEVEN So first we want to see if it has its own function. 01:12:00.710 --> 01:12:05.400 It can it be classified within its own heading, its own specific heading 01:12:05.400 --> 01:12:06.330 instead of power supply. 01:12:06.330 --> 01:12:11.240 POLLICHINO, STEVEN Is it a converter of some sort? 01:12:11.240 --> 01:12:12.880 Is it a transmitter? 01:12:12.880 --> 01:12:16.000 A little Bluetooth thing that goes in a computer? 01:12:16.000 --> 01:12:19.970 Yes, it's a computer part, but there's a place for Bluetooth transmitters. 01:12:21.833 --> 01:12:24.620 POLLICHINO, STEVEN So first we tried to get it in a specific heading. 01:12:25.433 --> 01:12:27.590 POLLICHINO, STEVEN And we're not talking about headings 01:12:27.590 --> 01:12:29.940 that are parts headings, because that's just silly. 01:12:29.940 --> 01:12:31.560 Those are not specific. 01:12:31.560 --> 01:12:34.230 So if we look at all the specific headings, 84 and 85 01:12:34.230 --> 01:12:36.670 and we disregard these guys because they're parts headings. 01:12:37.967 --> 01:12:39.290 POLLICHINO, STEVEN And then we come down to be. 01:12:40.700 --> 01:12:42.310 POLLICHINO, STEVEN If there is no specific heading. 01:12:44.433 --> 01:12:45.610 POLLICHINO, STEVEN If the parts used with. 01:12:46.500 --> 01:12:49.390 POLLICHINO, STEVEN Our principally or solely used with a particular kind 01:12:49.390 --> 01:12:49.940 of machine. 01:12:49.940 --> 01:12:52.340 POLLICHINO, STEVEN Then it gets classified. 01:12:52.340 --> 01:12:56.110 POLLICHINO, STEVEN As that type of machine with that type of machine. 01:13:03.806 --> 01:13:07.800 POLLICHINO, STEVEN So you have a part of computer, uh, so 8517. 01:13:07.800 --> 01:13:10.530 You have a part of a transmitter. 01:13:10.530 --> 01:13:12.120 It doesn't have its own specific heading. 01:13:12.120 --> 01:13:15.230 It's not our power supply is not transmitter in and of itself. 01:13:15.230 --> 01:13:18.970 But it says thing that goes in a transmitter, there's no heading so. 01:13:18.970 --> 01:13:22.280 POLLICHINO, STEVEN It works with this transmitted unit can only work there, 01:13:22.280 --> 01:13:25.290 so it's gonna be done as a part of a transmitter. 01:13:25.290 --> 01:13:26.830 Failing that, then it goes into. 01:13:26.830 --> 01:13:29.160 POLLICHINO, STEVEN One of the parts headings. 01:13:33.141 --> 01:13:35.940 POLLICHINO, STEVEN So the whole point is we can argue for days 01:13:35.940 --> 01:13:37.310 that the device you have is a part. 01:13:37.310 --> 01:13:40.650 POLLICHINO, STEVEN But we try to stick parts 01:13:40.650 --> 01:13:42.810 in their own headings before we make them parts. 01:13:45.500 --> 01:13:47.860 POLLICHINO, STEVEN So antennas, this is new. 01:13:49.100 --> 01:13:51.750 POLLICHINO, STEVEN An antenna is an electrical device 01:13:51.750 --> 01:13:55.800 which converts electric power into radio waves and verse of icy. 01:13:57.833 --> 01:13:59.868 POLLICHINO, STEVEN It's usually used with a radio transmitter 01:13:59.875 --> 01:14:01.130 or a radio receiver. 01:14:02.167 --> 01:14:03.200 POLLICHINO, STEVEN And transmission. 01:14:03.200 --> 01:14:07.470 A radio transmitter supplies an oscillating radio frequency current 01:14:07.470 --> 01:14:09.070 to the antennas terminals. 01:14:09.070 --> 01:14:12.970 POLLICHINO, STEVEN Then the antenna radiates the energy from the current 01:14:12.970 --> 01:14:14.880 as the electromagnetic radio waves. 01:14:16.500 --> 01:14:19.300 POLLICHINO, STEVEN So an electrical current goes into the transmitter. 01:14:19.300 --> 01:14:22.160 Transmitter sends that to the antenna. 01:14:22.160 --> 01:14:26.270 POLLICHINO, STEVEN And through magic, because I don't know how it works. 01:14:26.270 --> 01:14:29.629 Yeah, tennis changes that into electromagnetic waves 01:14:29.630 --> 01:14:31.340 that go through the ether, 01:14:31.340 --> 01:14:35.920 and they float around out in space until they hit a receiver antenna 01:14:35.920 --> 01:14:37.950 which takes those electromagnetic waves. 01:14:37.950 --> 01:14:40.420 POLLICHINO, STEVEN And converts them back to a signal. 01:14:41.833 --> 01:14:43.120 POLLICHINO, STEVEN Through the receiver unit. 01:14:54.219 --> 01:14:55.430 POLLICHINO, STEVEN So a couple of things. 01:14:56.967 --> 01:14:59.300 POLLICHINO, STEVEN Having this in 8517 is kind of weird. 01:15:00.233 --> 01:15:02.380 POLLICHINO, STEVEN And I'm gonna say again, we don't classify by name. 01:15:04.167 --> 01:15:06.650 POLLICHINO, STEVEN Because I've had things that they will calling antennas. 01:15:08.767 --> 01:15:10.370 POLLICHINO, STEVEN Even just says aerials. 01:15:13.733 --> 01:15:16.730 POLLICHINO, STEVEN But yet this commodity was a high end device 01:15:16.730 --> 01:15:18.260 that they called an antenna. 01:15:18.260 --> 01:15:23.210 But yet inside of it, it had receivers and transmitters. 01:15:24.299 --> 01:15:28.259 POLLICHINO, STEVEN So being that it had a receiver and transmitter in it, 01:15:28.260 --> 01:15:30.850 and the thing received the transmitted. 01:15:30.850 --> 01:15:32.980 POLLICHINO, STEVEN Umm, he got classified 01:15:32.981 --> 01:15:34.590 not in parts because of our note. 01:15:37.700 --> 01:15:39.140 POLLICHINO, STEVEN Because you want to find a specific heading. 01:15:41.233 --> 01:15:42.460 POLLICHINO, STEVEN Ah, OK. 01:15:44.802 --> 01:15:46.036 POLLICHINO, STEVEN Better to have a hold on. 01:15:49.033 --> 01:15:49.866 POLLICHINO, STEVEN So. 01:15:51.033 --> 01:15:54.190 POLLICHINO, STEVEN So since it had a receive and transmit it within it, 01:15:54.190 --> 01:15:56.220 even though they called it an antenna or an aerial. 01:15:56.220 --> 01:16:01.830 POLLICHINO, STEVEN The classified it here on 8517 sixty 200 ninety. 01:16:03.100 --> 01:16:06.190 POLLICHINO, STEVEN Because it had the ability in and of itself to receive, 01:16:06.190 --> 01:16:07.510 convert and transmit. 01:16:07.510 --> 01:16:10.750 POLLICHINO, STEVEN It wasn't just an aerial I a metal rod. 01:16:12.700 --> 01:16:14.760 POLLICHINO, STEVEN It had the functionality. 01:16:15.967 --> 01:16:17.930 POLLICHINO, STEVEN Of doing these functions that, 01:16:17.930 --> 01:16:19.740 but that was an intelligent statement, OK. 01:16:22.100 --> 01:16:26.080 POLLICHINO, STEVEN So the aerials that fall under the parts vision least 01:16:26.080 --> 01:16:27.160 at 8517. 01:16:28.500 --> 01:16:29.620 POLLICHINO, STEVEN You have to be careful with 01:16:29.620 --> 01:16:33.490 and not just gonna be everything that's called an antenna or aerial. 01:16:33.490 --> 01:16:37.640 POLLICHINO, STEVEN And in my view, an aerial is of simple. 01:16:37.640 --> 01:16:38.890 POLLICHINO, STEVEN Device it's. 01:16:40.368 --> 01:16:42.090 POLLICHINO, STEVEN They reflect their unit or a. 01:16:43.233 --> 01:16:44.990 POLLICHINO, STEVEN Some kind of metal device 01:16:44.990 --> 01:16:47.540 that receives the electromagnetic waves. 01:16:47.540 --> 01:16:48.820 It doesn't have a transmitter. 01:16:48.820 --> 01:16:50.200 It doesn't have a receive. 01:16:50.200 --> 01:16:52.640 If it does, it's gonna come over here. 01:16:52.640 --> 01:16:53.910 It's gonna fall under other. 01:16:55.967 --> 01:16:57.010 POLLICHINO, STEVEN So be careful with that. 01:17:00.076 --> 01:17:03.539 POLLICHINO, STEVEN Whereas and I think 8425 is 2529 01:17:03.540 --> 01:17:06.460 where they talk about aerials and antennas, I don't think it matters. 01:17:06.460 --> 01:17:10.800 But 9517, I'm not just dumping everything into pause because we have. 01:17:12.500 --> 01:17:13.510 POLLICHINO, STEVEN A place for aerials. 01:17:13.510 --> 01:17:14.300 I'm going to come down. 01:17:15.300 --> 01:17:17.080 POLLICHINO, STEVEN I had this device of calling an antenna, but hey. 01:17:17.080 --> 01:17:21.260 POLLICHINO, STEVEN It does these three functions really well. 01:17:21.260 --> 01:17:22.040 Then I'm coming in here. 01:17:23.100 --> 01:17:24.700 POLLICHINO, STEVEN Those three functions definitely great. 01:17:25.567 --> 01:17:27.810 POLLICHINO, STEVEN So it's coming down to other one never going 01:17:27.810 --> 01:17:30.740 to get the parts because we have that parts. 01:17:30.740 --> 01:17:34.390 Note that says I'm gonna try to find a more specific place 01:17:34.390 --> 01:17:35.200 before I make it apart. 01:17:37.900 --> 01:17:39.370 POLLICHINO, STEVEN And when I'm talking about antennas, 01:17:39.371 --> 01:17:41.350 aerials, aerials, antennas. 01:17:43.300 --> 01:17:46.400 POLLICHINO, STEVEN It's a within a parts provision of 8517, 01:17:46.400 --> 01:17:51.600 so an only could be a part of something that gets classified in 8517. 01:17:51.600 --> 01:17:54.233 So a television antenna or aerial. 01:17:55.727 --> 01:17:58.190 POLLICHINO, STEVEN And since nobody knows what, that's a picture of 01:17:58.190 --> 01:18:01.293 and the old days we used to have antennas on our houses, 01:18:01.294 --> 01:18:02.490 so we could watch TV. 01:18:02.490 --> 01:18:04.540 POLLICHINO, STEVEN It's crazy, right? 01:18:05.660 --> 01:18:07.500 So if such a thing still exists? 01:18:09.233 --> 01:18:11.108 POLLICHINO, STEVEN That's for television broadcast signals, 01:18:11.108 --> 01:18:15.333 so that would go into 85 about a 25 ish. 01:18:16.869 --> 01:18:20.169 POLLICHINO, STEVEN And I would not go to 8517 once we get into parts 01:18:20.170 --> 01:18:22.600 of 8517, there has to be a part of something. 01:18:22.600 --> 01:18:24.200 I would classify an 8517. 01:18:25.300 --> 01:18:27.310 POLLICHINO, STEVEN So not all antennas go there, only if they're. 01:18:27.310 --> 01:18:31.700 POLLICHINO, STEVEN Going to be viewed as a part of something that goes 01:18:31.700 --> 01:18:33.210 in 8517. 01:18:38.633 --> 01:18:40.110 POLLICHINO, STEVEN OK. 01:18:43.100 --> 01:18:44.780 POLLICHINO, STEVEN So I guess what I'm saying here 01:18:44.780 --> 01:18:46.990 is this ruling made this thing an antenna. 01:18:46.990 --> 01:18:48.520 This is actually a printed antenna. 01:18:50.867 --> 01:18:51.660 POLLICHINO, STEVEN I made this. 01:18:51.660 --> 01:18:52.290 This is nice, right? 01:18:52.290 --> 01:18:52.980 Little bullseye. 01:18:53.833 --> 01:18:57.090 POLLICHINO, STEVEN Get this little polls light is copper tracing 01:18:57.090 --> 01:18:58.060 that would be on this. 01:18:59.833 --> 01:19:01.430 POLLICHINO, STEVEN Insulated base. 01:19:03.167 --> 01:19:05.900 POLLICHINO, STEVEN Is create a use of a uh printing type process? 01:19:08.567 --> 01:19:10.270 POLLICHINO, STEVEN Accuracy copper antenna padded 01:19:10.270 --> 01:19:12.000 on a laminated substrate aboard. 01:19:12.000 --> 01:19:15.280 POLLICHINO, STEVEN It's a surface mount component that's used. 01:19:16.900 --> 01:19:19.330 POLLICHINO, STEVEN And it's going to be cited onto a circuit board assembly. 01:19:20.900 --> 01:19:22.660 POLLICHINO, STEVEN This component does not incorporate 01:19:22.660 --> 01:19:25.280 any other electric elements, don't active elements. 01:19:25.280 --> 01:19:29.290 There are no passive elements, there's no modulator or demodulator. 01:19:30.033 --> 01:19:32.350 POLLICHINO, STEVEN Is no amplified is no signal generate. 01:19:32.350 --> 01:19:35.570 There's no filters, no switching, because if it had any of that, 01:19:35.570 --> 01:19:39.590 I'm looking at that other sub heading and I'm looking at parts. 01:19:39.590 --> 01:19:40.800 So all this was was. 01:19:42.633 --> 01:19:44.880 POLLICHINO, STEVEN That substrate with a copper design on it. 01:19:47.233 --> 01:19:48.810 POLLICHINO, STEVEN The copper access and antenna. 01:19:50.767 --> 01:19:53.550 POLLICHINO, STEVEN Being that this is a piece of device does no way shape 01:19:53.550 --> 01:19:55.030 or form, this is doing anything else. 01:19:55.030 --> 01:20:01.300 This could be a part on the 8517, assuming this is going into an article 01:20:01.300 --> 01:20:04.840 of 8517, some type of transmitter, receiver, some kind of telephone. 01:20:12.633 --> 01:20:15.700 POLLICHINO, STEVEN Another type of part that we've done in 8517. 01:20:16.669 --> 01:20:19.270 POLLICHINO, STEVEN Not the aerial one, but the other. 01:20:19.967 --> 01:20:23.430 POLLICHINO, STEVEN Had a hinge for a cell, a folding cell phone. 01:20:24.433 --> 01:20:27.130 POLLICHINO, STEVEN And the hinge was drilled out and modeled 01:20:27.130 --> 01:20:29.720 and specifically made to only go in these type of cell phones. 01:20:31.633 --> 01:20:33.790 POLLICHINO, STEVEN It couldn't be used anywhere else. 01:20:33.790 --> 01:20:35.350 Wasn't an article of general use. 01:20:36.978 --> 01:20:39.300 POLLICHINO, STEVEN So that was pretty much the only other. 01:20:40.232 --> 01:20:44.729 POLLICHINO, STEVEN Part I could find that when 8517 other 01:20:44.730 --> 01:20:48.750 because it wasn't an aerial by 8517 parts versus aerials 01:20:48.750 --> 01:20:51.360 and this other this is an other type of part. 01:20:53.653 --> 01:20:54.820 POLLICHINO, STEVEN And that's it. 01:20:56.900 --> 01:20:57.820 POLLICHINO, STEVEN So I think that's it. 01:20:59.433 --> 01:21:02.080 POLLICHINO, STEVEN I hope some of it made sense. 01:21:02.080 --> 01:21:03.600 If not, you could always shoot me an email. 01:21:05.167 --> 01:21:08.800 POLLICHINO, STEVEN Steven Steven dot. 01:21:08.800 --> 01:21:12.940 POLLICHINO, STEVEN POLLICHINO. 01:21:14.161 --> 01:21:21.999 POLLICHINO, STEVEN That's POLLICHINO at cbp.dhs.gov. 01:21:22.000 --> 01:21:23.660 I'll do my best to answer you. 01:21:23.660 --> 01:21:25.910 You may have to email me twice. 01:21:25.910 --> 01:21:27.020 We're very busy here. 01:21:27.707 --> 01:21:28.677 POLLICHINO, STEVEN Umm. 01:21:29.200 --> 01:21:30.420 POLLICHINO, STEVEN Betted Ultra joking aside, 01:21:30.420 --> 01:21:31.620 I hope this helped you out a little bit. 01:21:32.987 --> 01:21:33.707 POLLICHINO, STEVEN Umm. 01:21:34.400 --> 01:21:35.760 POLLICHINO, STEVEN Just keep in mind, stay 01:21:35.760 --> 01:21:39.560 at the level only compare like levels and then when you get to another. 01:21:41.133 --> 01:21:43.770 POLLICHINO, STEVEN That can only be what's not included above. 01:21:44.967 --> 01:21:46.166 POLLICHINO, STEVEN Don't bounce around 01:21:46.167 --> 01:21:49.520 between different levels and others and different headings. 01:21:49.520 --> 01:21:50.550 It gets confusing. 01:21:54.493 --> 01:21:55.410 POLLICHINO, STEVEN I think that's it. 01:21:55.410 --> 01:21:58.460 POLLICHINO, STEVEN Please email any questions UM. 01:21:59.767 --> 01:22:02.640 POLLICHINO, STEVEN I've gone over my hour because I Babble a lot. 01:22:04.367 --> 01:22:07.450 POLLICHINO, STEVEN I hope my Babble was a little bit entertaining. 01:22:08.633 --> 01:22:11.660 POLLICHINO, STEVEN If not, let me know so I could brush up for next year. 01:22:15.500 --> 01:22:17.410 POLLICHINO, STEVEN I think that's all like I'm trying to think. 01:22:17.410 --> 01:22:20.930 Keep an eye out on cross what you're querying across what you search, 01:22:20.930 --> 01:22:22.520 search and cross. 01:22:22.520 --> 01:22:24.300 Take it with a grain of salt. 01:22:24.300 --> 01:22:26.970 At the time it was probably correct. 01:22:26.970 --> 01:22:29.200 Times change, tariff changes. 01:22:30.500 --> 01:22:32.170 POLLICHINO, STEVEN A change in a tariff will throw 01:22:32.170 --> 01:22:36.090 all the tariff numbers off possibly, and all the notes off the numbers. 01:22:36.090 --> 01:22:39.350 So when you're reading, especially if you know and you have a headquarters or 01:22:39.350 --> 01:22:44.740 and IS Nashmi specialty, his ruling and it says as per Note 3 this chapter 40 01:22:44.740 --> 01:22:49.000 and you go there Note 3 has nothing to do with what you're just talked about. 01:22:49.000 --> 01:22:51.690 You know why when that crazy things change? 01:22:52.767 --> 01:22:54.780 POLLICHINO, STEVEN Alright, I wanna thank everybody for tuning in. 01:22:55.833 --> 01:22:57.580 POLLICHINO, STEVEN I hope somehow this helps. 01:23:01.167 --> 01:23:03.420 POLLICHINO, STEVEN You making that stuff up about the antennas atop. 01:23:03.420 --> 01:23:03.640 Yeah. 01:23:03.640 --> 01:23:07.640 No, believe it or not, used to have antennas on top of our house. 01:23:07.640 --> 01:23:13.280 And then in a bad storm, they would blow off and you would have no TV reception. 01:23:13.280 --> 01:23:14.690 POLLICHINO, STEVEN And you could have banged 01:23:14.690 --> 01:23:16.570 that tube TV device all you want. 01:23:16.570 --> 01:23:18.400 You weren't getting nothing. 01:23:19.300 --> 01:23:20.999 POLLICHINO, STEVEN That's fine, very good. 01:23:22.433 --> 01:23:22.800 POLLICHINO, STEVEN Alright. 01:23:22.800 --> 01:23:23.550 Thanks everybody. 01:23:23.550 --> 01:23:24.240 I'm gonna go now. 01:23:24.240 --> 01:23:25.440 It's been way too long. 01:23:25.440 --> 01:23:28.690 I can't believe you stuck with me because I'm listening to my own voice 01:23:28.691 --> 01:23:30.616 and he's headphones and I hate it.