WEBVTT 1 00:00:07.000 --> 00:00:10.560 >> NICOIS HARRIS: Good afternoon. 2 00:00:10.560 --> 00:00:14.252 I'm Nicois Harris with CBP Office of Trade 3 00:00:14.253 --> 00:00:16.251 relations. 4 00:00:16.251 --> 00:00:19.719 Today's webinar is on underwear of risky 5 00:00:19.719 --> 00:00:21.719 business. 6 00:00:21.719 --> 00:00:23.719 This is part of the NCSD's 2024 webinar 7 00:00:23.719 --> 00:00:25.719 series. 8 00:00:25.719 --> 00:00:27.719 Please be mindful that you will be on mute 9 00:00:27.719 --> 00:00:29.719 during the presentation, therefore, we ask 10 00:00:29.719 --> 00:00:31.719 that you please submit any questions you 11 00:00:31.719 --> 00:00:33.719 have in the chat feature. 12 00:00:33.719 --> 00:00:35.719 If you plan to request the optional CCS or 13 00:00:35.719 --> 00:00:37.719 CES credits through the NCBFHA institute, 14 00:00:37.719 --> 00:00:40.428 please check the chat box for the 15 00:00:40.714 --> 00:00:43.528 completion code. It will be provided 16 00:00:43.528 --> 00:00:45.865 several times throughout the webinar. 17 00:00:45.870 --> 00:00:50.926 Now, I'd like to pass it over to national 18 00:00:50.926 --> 00:00:52.926 import specialist Karen. 19 00:00:52.926 --> 00:00:54.961 >> Good afternoon, everyone. 20 00:00:54.961 --> 00:00:58.787 I'm national import specialist Karen. And 21 00:00:59.100 --> 00:01:04.294 today we're going to talk about underwear 22 00:01:04.295 --> 00:01:09.489 and what a risky business it is. 23 00:01:09.490 --> 00:01:11.698 Here's our CBP mission statement along 24 00:01:11.699 --> 00:01:14.275 with that of the Office of Trade. 25 00:01:14.276 --> 00:01:19.316 You can take a look at that for just a 26 00:01:19.316 --> 00:01:22.840 moment, if you haven't already seen it. 27 00:01:22.843 --> 00:01:25.597 And here's our division's disclaimer about 28 00:01:25.597 --> 00:01:28.344 our webinars and basically what we're 29 00:01:28.346 --> 00:01:31.556 saying here is that these webinars are 30 00:01:31.556 --> 00:01:34.309 being provided for your guidance and 31 00:01:34.310 --> 00:01:36.602 information to promote understanding and 32 00:01:36.602 --> 00:01:39.351 compliance, but you can't necessarily take 33 00:01:39.353 --> 00:01:42.563 what I'm saying today and interpret it 34 00:01:42.564 --> 00:01:44.854 exactly to a particular situation. 35 00:01:44.856 --> 00:01:51.792 Just be mindful that it's educational. 36 00:01:51.793 --> 00:01:54.271 Same goes for our audio/visual media, 37 00:01:54.272 --> 00:01:57.163 images, video, sound, et cetera that is 38 00:01:57.165 --> 00:01:59.165 contained in the presentation. 39 00:01:59.165 --> 00:02:01.743 It was all obtained either through public 40 00:02:01.743 --> 00:02:04.661 domain or properly, and it does not 41 00:02:04.664 --> 00:02:07.586 represent any kind of endorsement by CBP. 42 00:02:07.587 --> 00:02:12.183 I have a tendency to pop in a lot of pop 43 00:02:12.183 --> 00:02:15.937 culture type of things, and I hope that is 44 00:02:15.938 --> 00:02:18.446 enjoyable and not offensive to anybody. 45 00:02:18.446 --> 00:02:21.969 If you do have a specific question for the 46 00:02:21.970 --> 00:02:23.970 national import specialist division, you 47 00:02:23.970 --> 00:02:26.281 can ask for a binding ruling. 48 00:02:26.286 --> 00:02:28.286 There's the link right there. 49 00:02:28.286 --> 00:02:31.493 You just go right to our website, 50 00:02:31.493 --> 00:02:36.034 www.cbp.gov and you can type in the words 51 00:02:36.038 --> 00:02:38.881 advance ruling, electronic ruling, ruling 52 00:02:38.882 --> 00:02:42.865 request, and that link will come up. 53 00:02:42.866 --> 00:02:48.260 Just a reminder, we do handle other things 54 00:02:48.260 --> 00:02:51.631 other than classification, although that 55 00:02:51.636 --> 00:02:57.711 seems to be our primary duty, we also will 56 00:02:57.711 --> 00:03:02.436 do rulings on origin and free trade 57 00:03:02.436 --> 00:03:04.436 agreements. 58 00:03:04.436 --> 00:03:16.759 ♫♫ 59 00:03:16.759 --> 00:03:26.723 ♫♫ 60 00:03:26.723 --> 00:03:30.953 >> And so we begin. Tom Cruise made his 61 00:03:30.953 --> 00:03:34.237 movie break through by starring in the 62 00:03:34.240 --> 00:03:37.058 movie risky business in 1993. This 63 00:03:37.059 --> 00:03:40.349 garnered him the global award for best 64 00:03:40.349 --> 00:03:42.349 actor. 65 00:03:42.349 --> 00:03:45.293 It's the movie that made him a star. 66 00:03:45.293 --> 00:03:47.293 I showed a snippet of the infamous dance 67 00:03:47.293 --> 00:03:49.379 scene from this movie where Tom made up 68 00:03:49.380 --> 00:03:51.380 the moves as went along. 69 00:03:51.380 --> 00:03:55.031 Although a bit risky, at the time, it 70 00:03:55.034 --> 00:03:59.417 seems tame to what we see in underwear or 71 00:03:59.421 --> 00:04:01.856 other images in our media. 72 00:04:01.858 --> 00:04:03.858 Welcome, welcome. 73 00:04:03.858 --> 00:04:05.858 Welcome to my nightmare. 74 00:04:05.858 --> 00:04:07.858 Oops, I mean my webinar. 75 00:04:07.858 --> 00:04:10.146 It just takes so long to prepare for these 76 00:04:10.146 --> 00:04:13.724 things because we know we have a large 77 00:04:13.729 --> 00:04:17.316 audience and we want to make it useful. 78 00:04:17.319 --> 00:04:19.319 It's hard to decide what to cover. 79 00:04:19.319 --> 00:04:21.442 But today we're going to delve into some 80 00:04:21.442 --> 00:04:23.649 of the more perilous aspects of the 81 00:04:23.650 --> 00:04:25.859 underwear business. We should be done in 82 00:04:25.860 --> 00:04:28.388 about 40 minutes or less, then we'll have 83 00:04:28.388 --> 00:04:31.222 20 minutes reserved at the end where I can 84 00:04:31.225 --> 00:04:33.225 take any questions. 85 00:04:33.226 --> 00:04:36.053 So like our host said, make a note of any 86 00:04:36.054 --> 00:04:38.054 questions, and please hold them until the 87 00:04:38.054 --> 00:04:40.054 end. 88 00:04:40.054 --> 00:04:42.394 We will cover a few items in each of the 89 00:04:42.395 --> 00:04:46.489 areas listed on this slide today, and that 90 00:04:46.493 --> 00:04:49.569 is classification, green trade, and forced 91 00:04:49.570 --> 00:04:51.568 labor. 92 00:04:51.568 --> 00:04:53.995 First we'll do classification. Tom Cruise 93 00:04:53.996 --> 00:04:55.995 wasn't the only one breaking barriers in 94 00:04:55.996 --> 00:04:58.337 the world of me's underwear. We go now to 95 00:04:58.988 --> 00:05:02.227 times square in New York City which was 96 00:05:02.228 --> 00:05:04.655 the scene of the beginning of 97 00:05:04.655 --> 00:05:06.676 advertisements for Calvin Klein underwear 98 00:05:06.679 --> 00:05:09.917 that were considered at the time to be 99 00:05:09.917 --> 00:05:11.917 quite scandalous. 100 00:05:11.918 --> 00:05:14.401 The Calvin Klein billboard ads for this 101 00:05:14.401 --> 00:05:17.549 underwear made history in times square. 102 00:05:17.550 --> 00:05:26.514 In 1982 they had a towering add with an 103 00:05:26.514 --> 00:05:31.480 Olympic athlete prominently displayed on 104 00:05:31.487 --> 00:05:33.487 the square. 105 00:05:33.487 --> 00:05:35.487 According to the "New York Times" article, 106 00:05:35.487 --> 00:05:37.487 the billboard stops traffic. 107 00:05:37.487 --> 00:05:40.207 And there was a good reason for that. 108 00:05:40.207 --> 00:05:44.611 We must first travel to the Greek island 109 00:05:45.868 --> 00:05:47.868 Santorini. 110 00:05:47.868 --> 00:05:50.857 When this particular ad went up, it 111 00:05:50.857 --> 00:05:52.857 showcased the muscular body of a 112 00:05:52.857 --> 00:05:54.857 world-class pole vaulter wearing white 113 00:05:54.857 --> 00:05:56.988 briefs with the perspective focused on 114 00:05:56.991 --> 00:06:00.407 certain male body parts. It caused a lot 115 00:06:00.411 --> 00:06:02.411 of controversy. 116 00:06:02.411 --> 00:06:04.411 American photographer magazine named this 117 00:06:04.411 --> 00:06:06.603 shot one of the ten pictures that changed 118 00:06:06.603 --> 00:06:08.603 America. 119 00:06:08.603 --> 00:06:10.603 The ad campaign also led to the acceptance 120 00:06:10.603 --> 00:06:12.603 of the male body in American advertising 121 00:06:12.603 --> 00:06:14.762 and brought forth kind of an era of 122 00:06:15.490 --> 00:06:17.490 objectifying men. 123 00:06:17.490 --> 00:06:22.229 Perhaps a nice change from objectifying 124 00:06:22.233 --> 00:06:24.233 women? 125 00:06:24.234 --> 00:06:27.063 Who's to say. The photographerly took the 126 00:06:27.063 --> 00:06:31.470 sheet in Santor rineny and it was quite 127 00:06:31.471 --> 00:06:34.225 the departure from previously unsexy 128 00:06:34.225 --> 00:06:36.225 underwear ads. 129 00:06:36.225 --> 00:06:39.415 On the family friendly inset photo, the 130 00:06:39.416 --> 00:06:43.504 Tom's daughter is Tom's daughter Tomi who 131 00:06:43.504 --> 00:06:46.424 became a pole vaulter herself. 132 00:06:46.425 --> 00:06:51.447 While it was known as the first model in 133 00:06:51.447 --> 00:06:54.786 the Calvin Klein underwear campaign, he 134 00:06:54.790 --> 00:06:57.019 was not the last. 135 00:06:57.021 --> 00:06:59.303 Calvin designed boxer briefs while he was 136 00:06:59.303 --> 00:07:02.226 at the brand in the early '90s, then he 137 00:07:02.229 --> 00:07:04.506 introduced them to the world on Markey 138 00:07:04.508 --> 00:07:06.508 Mark pictured on your left. 139 00:07:06.508 --> 00:07:08.805 Mark Wahlberg was his real name and he 140 00:07:08.805 --> 00:07:12.138 went on to -- he began as a rapper and a 141 00:07:12.141 --> 00:07:14.810 model and went on to become a famous 142 00:07:14.812 --> 00:07:16.809 actor. 143 00:07:16.809 --> 00:07:18.809 Underwear sales actually helped Calvin 144 00:07:18.809 --> 00:07:21.949 Klein stay afloat in the '90s when the 145 00:07:21.949 --> 00:07:23.949 company faced financial trouble. The brand 146 00:07:23.949 --> 00:07:25.949 reinforced its relevance by positioning 147 00:07:25.949 --> 00:07:27.949 itself at the forefront of pop culture 148 00:07:27.949 --> 00:07:29.949 with ads that had shock value. 149 00:07:29.949 --> 00:07:32.329 The underwear that Calvin began with was 150 00:07:32.516 --> 00:07:35.273 similar to what had been manufactured for 151 00:07:35.274 --> 00:07:37.637 jockey, kind of your standard underwear 152 00:07:37.637 --> 00:07:40.000 briefs, but what distinguished them was 153 00:07:40.000 --> 00:07:42.363 the waistband with the Calvin Klein 154 00:07:42.363 --> 00:07:44.363 lettering repeated throughout. 155 00:07:44.363 --> 00:07:47.988 But it was really the advertisements that 156 00:07:47.989 --> 00:07:51.164 made the products stand out. 157 00:07:51.164 --> 00:07:55.556 I'm going to try to use a pointer here. 158 00:07:55.556 --> 00:07:58.664 The first item is your traditional men's 159 00:07:58.667 --> 00:08:00.667 brief. 160 00:08:00.667 --> 00:08:03.570 The second is a men's woven boxer. 161 00:08:03.576 --> 00:08:07.576 And the third as modeled by singer Justin 162 00:08:07.576 --> 00:08:11.076 Bieber are knit boxer briefs, the marriage 163 00:08:11.076 --> 00:08:13.076 of the two. 164 00:08:13.076 --> 00:08:15.355 Boxer briefs combine the snugger fit of 165 00:08:15.357 --> 00:08:18.136 briefs and the longer length of boxers. 166 00:08:18.137 --> 00:08:21.809 Justin is wearing a more body-hugging 167 00:08:21.811 --> 00:08:26.707 version of the boxer briefs, but they also 168 00:08:26.709 --> 00:08:29.769 exist in a looser fit. 169 00:08:29.770 --> 00:08:31.770 Crazy mouse. 170 00:08:31.770 --> 00:08:33.807 There we go. 171 00:08:33.807 --> 00:08:36.481 Garments such as the one pictured here may 172 00:08:36.769 --> 00:08:40.431 walk the line in terms of whether they are 173 00:08:40.432 --> 00:08:42.872 men's underwear boxer briefs and having 174 00:08:42.873 --> 00:08:44.906 6107, or body supporting compression 175 00:08:44.907 --> 00:08:47.754 garments in heading 6212. Depends on the 176 00:08:47.754 --> 00:08:50.194 fiber content, the construction of the 177 00:08:50.195 --> 00:08:52.636 fabric, whether it's tight fitting and 178 00:08:52.637 --> 00:08:55.076 supportive throughout, and often how it's 179 00:08:55.076 --> 00:08:57.111 designed, marketed, and sold and 180 00:08:57.111 --> 00:08:59.111 principally used. 181 00:08:59.111 --> 00:09:01.641 Most of these that we see customs for 182 00:09:01.646 --> 00:09:04.436 classification purposes have turned out to 183 00:09:04.439 --> 00:09:06.764 be underwear for classification purposes. 184 00:09:06.766 --> 00:09:10.108 It's difficult for men's garments to 185 00:09:10.108 --> 00:09:13.450 qualify -- for these types of men's 186 00:09:13.450 --> 00:09:16.789 garments to qualify for heading 6212. 187 00:09:16.866 --> 00:09:19.282 For 6212, the paramount use of the garment 188 00:09:19.282 --> 00:09:21.282 must be body support. 189 00:09:21.282 --> 00:09:23.758 The compression would have to be so 190 00:09:23.758 --> 00:09:25.758 significant it would dominate over all the 191 00:09:25.758 --> 00:09:27.998 other features and uses and be the reason 192 00:09:28.299 --> 00:09:30.299 for the wearer to purchase. 193 00:09:30.299 --> 00:09:35.994 The ruling listed is just an example, and 194 00:09:35.994 --> 00:09:41.164 you can peruse it at your leisure. 195 00:09:41.170 --> 00:09:43.170 N282337, the item was described by the 196 00:09:43.170 --> 00:09:45.170 trade as a hyper formed compression short. 197 00:09:45.170 --> 00:09:47.266 But customs said that it was best 198 00:09:47.268 --> 00:09:49.268 described as an underwear boxer brief. 199 00:09:49.268 --> 00:09:56.641 It had 84% polyester, 16% spanex, exposed 200 00:09:56.645 --> 00:10:03.095 elastic waistband, hemmed bottoms, and an 201 00:10:03.098 --> 00:10:10.623 inside front pocket to fit a cup. 202 00:10:10.626 --> 00:10:16.071 The image is not for the ruling and is 203 00:10:16.071 --> 00:10:19.088 only representative of the topic. 204 00:10:19.093 --> 00:10:22.917 Here was another ruling request that we go 205 00:10:22.919 --> 00:10:26.743 that ended up getting issued, and this was 206 00:10:26.746 --> 00:10:28.746 N336534. 207 00:10:28.746 --> 00:10:31.427 And this ruling request the item was 208 00:10:31.427 --> 00:10:33.427 referred to as men's underwear with 209 00:10:33.427 --> 00:10:35.427 compression. 210 00:10:35.427 --> 00:10:38.513 Let's review some of the marketing that 211 00:10:39.738 --> 00:10:41.780 was supplied. 212 00:10:41.781 --> 00:10:46.247 So first we'll take a look at -- 213 00:10:46.383 --> 00:10:49.239 can you see the light compression mesh 214 00:10:49.239 --> 00:10:52.500 that I'm focusing on here? I better just 215 00:10:52.501 --> 00:10:54.501 do it over here. 216 00:10:54.501 --> 00:10:58.100 So this particular ad talks about how this 217 00:10:58.102 --> 00:11:00.582 garment has micro mesh, breathability, 218 00:11:00.582 --> 00:11:04.054 firm support and stretch to keep you -- 219 00:11:04.054 --> 00:11:07.526 but keep you completely free to move. 220 00:11:07.813 --> 00:11:10.723 It's moisture wicking, it's supposedly a 221 00:11:10.724 --> 00:11:12.724 performance stretch. 222 00:11:12.724 --> 00:11:15.561 Also they're calling it here advanced 223 00:11:15.561 --> 00:11:17.561 performance underwear equipped with a 224 00:11:17.561 --> 00:11:19.737 special ballpark pouch which is trade 225 00:11:19.738 --> 00:11:22.576 marked and actually offers a more 226 00:11:22.576 --> 00:11:24.941 supportive fit for high-impact sport 227 00:11:24.942 --> 00:11:26.942 activities. 228 00:11:26.942 --> 00:11:30.595 And giving you an elevated level of 229 00:11:30.595 --> 00:11:32.811 comfort and stability. 230 00:11:32.813 --> 00:11:36.635 And then also here again they mention 231 00:11:36.635 --> 00:11:39.911 moisture wicking micro mesh, keeping you 232 00:11:39.911 --> 00:11:41.911 sweat free. 233 00:11:41.911 --> 00:11:46.691 And a light comfretion fitcompression fit. 234 00:11:46.691 --> 00:11:49.829 And lastly they talk about this ballpark 235 00:11:49.832 --> 00:11:51.832 patch that's trade marked. 236 00:11:51.832 --> 00:11:53.992 Let me see if I can see it on the big 237 00:11:53.995 --> 00:11:55.995 screen here. 238 00:11:55.995 --> 00:11:58.548 Something about pocketing everything to 239 00:11:58.548 --> 00:12:00.548 keep it in place, et cetera. 240 00:12:00.548 --> 00:12:03.085 But what ended up happening was the 241 00:12:03.587 --> 00:12:07.134 importer had suggested heading 6212 and we 242 00:12:07.135 --> 00:12:11.694 ended up ruling this in heading 6107 as an 243 00:12:11.694 --> 00:12:14.734 underpant. You can see the difference 244 00:12:14.735 --> 00:12:18.789 there between the duty rates, which is why 245 00:12:18.790 --> 00:12:21.826 heading 6212 is always so desirable. 246 00:12:21.827 --> 00:12:23.827 And some of these garments you can't 247 00:12:23.827 --> 00:12:25.827 really tell are they underwear, are they 248 00:12:25.827 --> 00:12:27.827 body supporting? 249 00:12:27.827 --> 00:12:30.137 Is it a combination of the two? 250 00:12:30.137 --> 00:12:34.861 But this one was something that I think we 251 00:12:36.818 --> 00:12:42.577 thought could be 6212 and a 252 00:12:42.578 --> 00:12:45.457 body-supporting compression garment. 253 00:12:45.458 --> 00:12:48.475 And you look particularly at the features 254 00:12:48.476 --> 00:12:52.355 of the garment, and what this one had, it 255 00:12:52.356 --> 00:12:55.373 had a V-shaped portion that consisted of 256 00:12:55.374 --> 00:12:58.822 two of separate narrow panels of soft mesh 257 00:12:58.823 --> 00:13:01.840 fabric on either side that allowed the 258 00:13:01.841 --> 00:13:04.858 testicles to be separately like a pocket. 259 00:13:04.859 --> 00:13:06.859 I told you this was going to be risky. 260 00:13:06.859 --> 00:13:08.878 This is the kind of thing we have to talk 261 00:13:08.878 --> 00:13:10.878 about in underwear. 262 00:13:10.878 --> 00:13:13.595 The pockets are tucked away so nothing 263 00:13:13.595 --> 00:13:15.595 touches the inner thigh. 264 00:13:15.595 --> 00:13:17.595 It provides comfort, support, and freedom 265 00:13:17.595 --> 00:13:19.595 of movement. 266 00:13:19.595 --> 00:13:21.595 But we found and we stated actually, 267 00:13:21.595 --> 00:13:23.595 customs stated that garments of 6212 must 268 00:13:23.595 --> 00:13:25.595 have body support as their primary 269 00:13:25.595 --> 00:13:27.603 function. And this particular item had 270 00:13:27.604 --> 00:13:30.520 light support in the genital region, and 271 00:13:30.522 --> 00:13:33.857 that feature was found to be a secondary 272 00:13:33.857 --> 00:13:36.774 function to the garment as a whole. 273 00:13:36.775 --> 00:13:39.526 We viewed the primary purpose of the 274 00:13:39.526 --> 00:13:42.274 garment of that as being an undergarment 275 00:13:42.276 --> 00:13:45.419 and that's how tended up in heading 6107 276 00:13:45.419 --> 00:13:48.170 as men's underpants, not as a body 277 00:13:48.170 --> 00:13:50.170 supporting garment. 278 00:13:50.170 --> 00:13:56.083 So before we leave the world of men, let 279 00:13:56.083 --> 00:14:02.418 me mention one more iconic moment in the 280 00:14:02.418 --> 00:14:04.793 history of underwear. 281 00:14:04.794 --> 00:14:08.497 That is the practice of wearing jeans 282 00:14:08.497 --> 00:14:12.191 below your boxer shorts which was first 283 00:14:12.196 --> 00:14:15.894 popularized by hip hop and skate culture. 284 00:14:15.895 --> 00:14:19.483 Here's Tupac supporting the look. They 285 00:14:19.485 --> 00:14:23.073 issued rules and regulations against it. 286 00:14:23.075 --> 00:14:25.203 According to Bing, which is the AI friend 287 00:14:25.205 --> 00:14:27.333 I never wanted, it is generally legal to 288 00:14:27.335 --> 00:14:29.729 wear boxers in public as long as you don't 289 00:14:29.731 --> 00:14:31.731 leave your private area exposed to the 290 00:14:31.731 --> 00:14:33.731 view of others. 291 00:14:33.731 --> 00:14:37.212 However, exposing your boxers in public 292 00:14:37.214 --> 00:14:40.426 may be considered indecent. 293 00:14:40.428 --> 00:14:43.067 Despite the fact that Tupac's boxers are 294 00:14:43.067 --> 00:14:46.083 meant to be seen on stage, they remain 295 00:14:46.084 --> 00:14:48.084 underwear. 296 00:14:48.084 --> 00:14:51.421 This is about as risky as men's underwear 297 00:14:51.425 --> 00:14:53.425 gets. 298 00:14:53.425 --> 00:14:56.540 Speaking of risks, the pantless trend is 299 00:14:56.540 --> 00:14:58.540 the thing. 300 00:14:58.540 --> 00:15:00.540 On your left, Haley Bieber opted for 301 00:15:00.540 --> 00:15:02.850 briefs as her evening out in Paris. Vogue 302 00:15:02.851 --> 00:15:06.475 described this as a brief which we would 303 00:15:06.476 --> 00:15:08.741 take to mean as underwear. 304 00:15:08.742 --> 00:15:11.612 When I researched the item, it was 305 00:15:11.615 --> 00:15:14.895 described by the seller as rayon silk show 306 00:15:14.898 --> 00:15:18.178 girl briefs and as hot pants. Is this 307 00:15:18.181 --> 00:15:21.051 underwear? It's really hard to say without 308 00:15:21.054 --> 00:15:23.924 a sample, further details and a discussion 309 00:15:23.926 --> 00:15:26.386 with other national import specialist, say 310 00:15:26.389 --> 00:15:29.669 the one that handles shorts in 6104 or 311 00:15:29.672 --> 00:15:32.542 even the one that handles the basket 312 00:15:32.545 --> 00:15:35.825 provision in 6114. As the seller does not 313 00:15:35.828 --> 00:15:38.698 even list underwear as one of their 314 00:15:38.701 --> 00:15:40.701 products. 315 00:15:40.701 --> 00:15:43.477 But this brings home the point that there 316 00:15:43.477 --> 00:15:45.477 are differences in how the trade terms 317 00:15:45.477 --> 00:15:47.477 items and how we must classify them 318 00:15:47.477 --> 00:15:49.477 according to the tariff. 319 00:15:49.477 --> 00:15:51.477 Bella Hadid on your right, another super 320 00:15:51.477 --> 00:15:53.976 model is wearing, from what I can tell, to 321 00:15:53.976 --> 00:15:55.976 be true traditional underwear briefs. 322 00:15:55.976 --> 00:15:58.019 Although they are on display again and 323 00:15:58.019 --> 00:16:00.554 Bella wants them to be seen, to me, 324 00:16:00.555 --> 00:16:02.555 there's no mistaking them as underwear. 325 00:16:02.555 --> 00:16:07.181 And I would probably classify them as 326 00:16:07.184 --> 00:16:09.184 such. 327 00:16:09.184 --> 00:16:11.576 Let's move on to the topic of green trade. 328 00:16:11.577 --> 00:16:14.862 And we'll try to frame it in terms of 329 00:16:14.863 --> 00:16:16.863 underwear and clothing. 330 00:16:16.863 --> 00:16:19.342 So it seems when, you know, we talk about 331 00:16:19.342 --> 00:16:22.726 green trade, this was come up in quite a 332 00:16:22.726 --> 00:16:26.110 few different ways in our world and in our 333 00:16:26.110 --> 00:16:28.366 customs priorities, when we talk about 334 00:16:28.366 --> 00:16:30.998 green, it seems to me we're always 335 00:16:30.998 --> 00:16:32.998 referring to environment, pollution, 336 00:16:32.998 --> 00:16:35.510 recycling, but aren't we as humans part of 337 00:16:35.510 --> 00:16:37.510 the environment as well? 338 00:16:37.510 --> 00:16:40.423 We absorb pollutants and toxins just like 339 00:16:40.423 --> 00:16:42.423 mother earth, don't we? 340 00:16:42.423 --> 00:16:44.487 So how are we greening for humans? 341 00:16:44.494 --> 00:16:46.494 Some materials such as heavy metals, 342 00:16:46.494 --> 00:16:48.494 plastics, and chemicals that advance 343 00:16:48.494 --> 00:16:50.494 industries and technology can be harmful 344 00:16:50.494 --> 00:16:52.520 not only to the environment, but to the 345 00:16:52.521 --> 00:16:54.521 human body as well. 346 00:16:54.521 --> 00:16:56.769 Health is determined by personal choices. 347 00:16:56.770 --> 00:16:59.290 And lifestyle choices can make a 348 00:16:59.293 --> 00:17:01.293 difference. 349 00:17:01.293 --> 00:17:03.657 Everyone has a different toxicity load. 350 00:17:03.657 --> 00:17:05.657 How can clothing, underwear, choices help 351 00:17:05.657 --> 00:17:08.548 protect our own health and that of our 352 00:17:09.111 --> 00:17:11.111 families? 353 00:17:11.112 --> 00:17:13.522 Polyester and other manmade fiber fabrics 354 00:17:13.522 --> 00:17:15.522 which are made using chemical processes 355 00:17:15.522 --> 00:17:17.659 and worn next to the skin can create 356 00:17:17.661 --> 00:17:20.073 health hazards in terms of underwear, 357 00:17:20.075 --> 00:17:23.291 sports bra, in particular as they are the 358 00:17:23.293 --> 00:17:25.293 first layer of clothing. 359 00:17:25.293 --> 00:17:27.820 So were you aware of recent media 360 00:17:27.820 --> 00:17:29.904 attention and lawsuits focusing on 361 00:17:29.904 --> 00:17:31.904 health-threatening chemicals in fabrics 362 00:17:31.904 --> 00:17:34.490 for garments worn against the skin, sports 363 00:17:34.490 --> 00:17:37.821 bra, underwear which is my purview as are 364 00:17:37.823 --> 00:17:39.820 socks. 365 00:17:39.821 --> 00:17:42.414 I've heard these things, but when I 366 00:17:42.415 --> 00:17:44.415 started to do a little bit of research, I 367 00:17:44.415 --> 00:17:46.415 was really kind of blown away. 368 00:17:46.415 --> 00:17:49.555 I found these two particular articles that 369 00:17:49.567 --> 00:17:52.279 discuss the harmful aspects of chemicals 370 00:17:52.279 --> 00:17:55.892 in clothing. And I've linked them here and 371 00:17:55.894 --> 00:17:59.057 I hope that articles like these are 372 00:17:59.058 --> 00:18:01.318 fostering greater awareness of the 373 00:18:01.318 --> 00:18:04.478 chemicals that we're using in the textile 374 00:18:04.480 --> 00:18:06.479 industry. 375 00:18:06.479 --> 00:18:08.537 I hope you read them or find some of your 376 00:18:08.537 --> 00:18:10.537 own. 377 00:18:10.537 --> 00:18:12.537 And I'm going to give you just a few of 378 00:18:12.537 --> 00:18:15.665 the excerpts to -- so you have an idea of 379 00:18:16.242 --> 00:18:19.572 the reality and the severity of the 380 00:18:19.573 --> 00:18:21.573 problem. 381 00:18:21.573 --> 00:18:24.297 They found high levels of the hormone BPA 382 00:18:24.586 --> 00:18:28.834 in sports socks being sold by dozens of 383 00:18:28.836 --> 00:18:30.836 large brands. 384 00:18:30.836 --> 00:18:33.683 I'm not going to name names, but it's 385 00:18:33.683 --> 00:18:35.683 everybody, you know, it's all the big 386 00:18:35.683 --> 00:18:38.077 brands that we all buy and are familiar 387 00:18:38.079 --> 00:18:40.569 with, including some of the most popular 388 00:18:40.569 --> 00:18:42.569 athletic and underwear brands. 389 00:18:42.569 --> 00:18:44.977 And what they found was that these 390 00:18:44.977 --> 00:18:48.819 products had BPA limits up to 19 times the 391 00:18:48.820 --> 00:18:50.820 California State safety limit. 392 00:18:50.820 --> 00:18:53.485 Another excerpt is when the Canadian 393 00:18:53.485 --> 00:18:56.442 broadcasting corporation had 38 pieces of 394 00:18:56.442 --> 00:18:59.399 children's clothing tested from the ultra 395 00:18:59.400 --> 00:19:02.851 fast fashion brands who won't be named, 396 00:19:02.851 --> 00:19:06.300 but these articles can be purchased easily 397 00:19:06.300 --> 00:19:09.256 online and shipped quickly, they actually 398 00:19:09.257 --> 00:19:13.693 found that 1 in 5 of these items of 399 00:19:13.694 --> 00:19:16.649 garments had elevated levels of toxic 400 00:19:16.650 --> 00:19:20.594 chemicals such as lead, PBAS and that was 401 00:19:20.594 --> 00:19:23.549 just in children's clothing and they're 402 00:19:23.550 --> 00:19:27.000 more sensitive to chemicals than we as 403 00:19:27.000 --> 00:19:29.000 adults are. 404 00:19:29.000 --> 00:19:32.031 This year, a brand settled a lawsuit 405 00:19:32.031 --> 00:19:36.647 stemming from a test by a Notre Dame 406 00:19:36.650 --> 00:19:40.115 professor showing high levels of fluorine 407 00:19:40.116 --> 00:19:44.160 indicating the presence of PFAS a highly 408 00:19:44.160 --> 00:19:47.038 toxic class of forever chemicals. 409 00:19:47.046 --> 00:19:51.950 And period panties are a thing at the 410 00:19:51.950 --> 00:19:56.844 moment and it's like a type of underwear 411 00:19:56.848 --> 00:19:59.296 that contains menstrual flow. 412 00:19:59.298 --> 00:20:02.406 Some of the chemicals that scientists have 413 00:20:02.406 --> 00:20:05.514 found in garments such as try brutal 414 00:20:05.514 --> 00:20:08.622 phosphate, die meth that will fumer rate 415 00:20:08.622 --> 00:20:12.174 and dyes can be acutely toxic or hazardous 416 00:20:12.174 --> 00:20:14.394 causing skin reactions or asthma. 417 00:20:14.394 --> 00:20:17.802 Others have been proven to have links to 418 00:20:17.804 --> 00:20:19.804 cancer, reproductive toxicity and 419 00:20:19.804 --> 00:20:21.804 allergies. 420 00:20:21.804 --> 00:20:28.867 Don't dismiss all skin issues such as 421 00:20:28.870 --> 00:20:33.974 irritations, rashes, Psoriasis, and 422 00:20:33.975 --> 00:20:39.079 dryness of the skin. 423 00:20:39.081 --> 00:20:41.145 The liver steps in to help detoxify the 424 00:20:41.147 --> 00:20:43.147 body. 425 00:20:43.147 --> 00:20:46.783 I did want to point out my little kitten 426 00:20:46.783 --> 00:20:48.783 here where he says you're not feline well, 427 00:20:48.783 --> 00:20:50.783 do you need a pur-medic. 428 00:20:50.783 --> 00:20:54.251 I did read or hear that the vibrational 429 00:20:54.735 --> 00:20:58.063 frequencies that animals emit when they're 430 00:20:58.064 --> 00:21:01.947 purring or, you know, you're petting them 431 00:21:01.947 --> 00:21:05.829 can help calm the human nervous system. 432 00:21:05.830 --> 00:21:11.130 So my silly pointer here I want to get rid 433 00:21:11.132 --> 00:21:14.842 of because it doesn't move very well. 434 00:21:14.843 --> 00:21:18.035 Speaking of vibrational frequencies, 435 00:21:18.035 --> 00:21:22.819 Albert Einstein said that everything in 436 00:21:22.820 --> 00:21:25.212 life is vibration. 437 00:21:25.213 --> 00:21:27.886 Nicola Tesla said if you want to find the 438 00:21:27.888 --> 00:21:30.264 secrets of the universe, think in terms of 439 00:21:30.265 --> 00:21:32.265 energy, frequency, and vibration. 440 00:21:32.265 --> 00:21:35.541 And while I can't even begin to understand 441 00:21:35.545 --> 00:21:38.100 exactly what these brilliant scientists 442 00:21:38.102 --> 00:21:40.146 mean, I am curious. 443 00:21:40.147 --> 00:21:43.918 And I did find that there are those that 444 00:21:43.920 --> 00:21:46.434 believe that fabrics can have vibrational 445 00:21:46.436 --> 00:21:48.950 frequencies that can influence health and 446 00:21:48.952 --> 00:21:50.952 well-being. 447 00:21:50.952 --> 00:21:53.424 The clothing fabrics we choose can 448 00:21:53.424 --> 00:21:55.424 potentially interact with our bodies on a 449 00:21:55.424 --> 00:21:57.424 vibrational level. 450 00:21:57.424 --> 00:21:59.424 The idea that different materials vibrate 451 00:21:59.424 --> 00:22:01.424 at distinct frequencies suggest that these 452 00:22:01.424 --> 00:22:03.424 vibrations can interact with the body's 453 00:22:03.424 --> 00:22:05.424 natural state. 454 00:22:05.424 --> 00:22:07.789 We've all heard the phrase that the body 455 00:22:07.791 --> 00:22:11.305 is electric or the body is electricity. 456 00:22:11.307 --> 00:22:14.562 A healthy human body vibrates at 100 457 00:22:14.562 --> 00:22:17.352 megahertz, whereas, a disease body rolls 458 00:22:17.352 --> 00:22:19.674 in at around 1,500 megahertz. 459 00:22:19.676 --> 00:22:23.701 And megahertz is just a measurement for 460 00:22:23.701 --> 00:22:25.701 vibration. 461 00:22:25.701 --> 00:22:28.824 There is a vibration spectrum for fabrics, 462 00:22:28.824 --> 00:22:31.881 and I bring this up in the context of not 463 00:22:31.881 --> 00:22:35.460 only green trade and human health, but CBP 464 00:22:35.463 --> 00:22:39.043 also has an interest in health and safety 465 00:22:39.043 --> 00:22:42.177 because we're a border agency, so you 466 00:22:42.178 --> 00:22:45.748 know, we stop things for any agency like 467 00:22:45.753 --> 00:22:48.439 consumer products, FDA, whomever, EPA, we 468 00:22:48.440 --> 00:22:52.468 get involved in all of that because we are 469 00:22:52.468 --> 00:22:54.468 a border authority. 470 00:22:54.468 --> 00:22:57.686 So when we talk about fabrics and 471 00:22:57.687 --> 00:22:59.901 underwear, there -- they've identified 472 00:22:59.903 --> 00:23:02.115 some low-frequency fabrics and 473 00:23:02.117 --> 00:23:04.117 high-frequency fabrics. 474 00:23:04.117 --> 00:23:09.833 The low frequency ones are the manmade 475 00:23:09.958 --> 00:23:15.619 ones and they include polyester, spandex, 476 00:23:15.621 --> 00:23:18.450 lycra and rayon. 477 00:23:18.452 --> 00:23:22.004 It said they can affect the body's balance 478 00:23:22.004 --> 00:23:24.662 and constant exposure may affect the 479 00:23:24.665 --> 00:23:27.327 body's immune system and overall health 480 00:23:27.328 --> 00:23:29.548 potentially leading to physical and 481 00:23:29.548 --> 00:23:32.211 emotional challenges which can, of course, 482 00:23:32.211 --> 00:23:34.211 affect your physical health. 483 00:23:34.211 --> 00:23:36.211 Higher-frequency fabrics include organic 484 00:23:36.211 --> 00:23:39.766 cotton which is generally at 70 to 110 485 00:23:39.768 --> 00:23:42.659 megahertz range, but some studies suggest 486 00:23:42.660 --> 00:23:46.033 even frequencies as high as 400 megahertz, 487 00:23:46.034 --> 00:23:49.406 which is huge, cotton, regular cotton, can 488 00:23:49.407 --> 00:23:53.263 have a megahertz of between 40 and 70. 489 00:23:53.263 --> 00:23:56.614 And linen, which is made from flax, I 490 00:23:56.616 --> 00:23:59.967 guess it's those same flax seeds we're all 491 00:23:59.971 --> 00:24:02.485 eating, linen actually has a vibration 492 00:24:02.487 --> 00:24:04.487 frequency of 5,000 megahertz. 493 00:24:04.487 --> 00:24:06.487 Wool is the same as 5,000. 494 00:24:06.487 --> 00:24:08.487 So that's a significant difference. 495 00:24:08.487 --> 00:24:11.196 Although they say it's not advisable to 496 00:24:11.196 --> 00:24:13.527 wear linen and wool together due to their 497 00:24:13.528 --> 00:24:15.847 opposing energy flows, which can negate 498 00:24:15.848 --> 00:24:17.848 their beneficial effects. 499 00:24:17.848 --> 00:24:20.799 For us to just consider the concept of 500 00:24:20.801 --> 00:24:24.593 fabric frequencies, it can help us as we 501 00:24:24.596 --> 00:24:27.440 raise awareness about the materials we 502 00:24:27.442 --> 00:24:29.442 use. 503 00:24:29.442 --> 00:24:31.442 Considering environmental impact and 504 00:24:31.442 --> 00:24:34.417 vibrational properties can help us as we 505 00:24:34.417 --> 00:24:36.417 make better choices for our health and the 506 00:24:36.417 --> 00:24:38.417 planet. 507 00:24:38.417 --> 00:24:40.417 On another note, we were talking about 508 00:24:40.417 --> 00:24:45.449 cotton, so let's segue into the top of the 509 00:24:45.484 --> 00:24:49.450 add missability, which we in customs get 510 00:24:49.451 --> 00:24:53.420 very involved in with imports as import 511 00:24:53.421 --> 00:24:55.421 specialists. 512 00:24:55.421 --> 00:24:57.809 And as national import specialists, we 513 00:24:57.809 --> 00:24:59.809 don't spend a lot of time on enforcement 514 00:24:59.809 --> 00:25:02.491 because we're spending a lot of our time 515 00:25:02.742 --> 00:25:04.742 on classification and green trade 516 00:25:04.742 --> 00:25:06.742 agreements and origin, et cetera. 517 00:25:06.742 --> 00:25:11.651 But I wanted to spotlight this because CBP 518 00:25:11.651 --> 00:25:16.576 has a current spot lite open the Uyghur 519 00:25:16.577 --> 00:25:19.040 forced labor prevention act. 520 00:25:19.041 --> 00:25:21.641 One of the reasons for my inclusion here 521 00:25:21.643 --> 00:25:23.918 in this PowerPoint is that it impacts 522 00:25:23.920 --> 00:25:25.920 cotton garments. 523 00:25:25.920 --> 00:25:28.836 I pulled up some photos to share with you, 524 00:25:28.840 --> 00:25:33.580 and when I did so I found the ladies on 525 00:25:33.582 --> 00:25:37.374 the left who were protesting and they had 526 00:25:37.377 --> 00:25:41.169 stated that China had moved an estimated 1 527 00:25:41.171 --> 00:25:43.171 million Muslims into factories. 528 00:25:43.171 --> 00:25:45.171 This was in 2020. 529 00:25:45.171 --> 00:25:47.737 It's alleged that they're being forced to 530 00:25:47.738 --> 00:25:50.042 pick cotton that supplies the global 531 00:25:50.043 --> 00:25:53.115 market. And since China is one of the 532 00:25:53.116 --> 00:25:55.804 largest producers of cotton in the world, 533 00:25:55.804 --> 00:25:57.804 this impacts all of us. 534 00:25:57.804 --> 00:26:00.504 But this was back in 2020 that I picked up 535 00:26:00.508 --> 00:26:02.732 this, you know, photo, this image and this 536 00:26:02.735 --> 00:26:04.735 story and I thought, you know, what's 537 00:26:04.735 --> 00:26:06.735 going on today? 538 00:26:06.735 --> 00:26:10.768 I know it's still a focus, but I happen to 539 00:26:10.771 --> 00:26:14.446 note that just U.S. Secretary of State 540 00:26:14.447 --> 00:26:18.122 Anthony blanken just noted last week after 541 00:26:18.124 --> 00:26:20.749 the State department's annual health 542 00:26:20.751 --> 00:26:24.426 rights report that the region in the 543 00:26:24.427 --> 00:26:27.577 people's republic of China where these 544 00:26:27.579 --> 00:26:31.254 people are being held continues to carry 545 00:26:31.256 --> 00:26:34.931 out genocide, crimes against hue mapt and 546 00:26:34.933 --> 00:26:38.083 other human rights against Muslims and 547 00:26:38.084 --> 00:26:41.234 others of ethnic and religious minority 548 00:26:41.236 --> 00:26:43.236 groups. 549 00:26:43.236 --> 00:26:45.450 The detention camps and prison labor camps 550 00:26:45.451 --> 00:26:48.613 where reeducation is conducted is still 551 00:26:48.614 --> 00:26:53.357 ongoing and may be part of what many see 552 00:26:53.358 --> 00:26:57.047 as a mission to assimilate these people. 553 00:26:57.048 --> 00:27:01.269 But the abuses at the camps and the prison 554 00:27:01.269 --> 00:27:03.601 factories have included workers being 555 00:27:03.607 --> 00:27:05.949 taken interest their ancestral homes, 556 00:27:05.951 --> 00:27:08.296 relocated, held against their will, 557 00:27:08.297 --> 00:27:10.638 forbidden to practice their religion, 558 00:27:10.638 --> 00:27:12.974 separation from their families, constant 559 00:27:12.979 --> 00:27:14.979 monitoring, indoctrination or reeducation, 560 00:27:14.979 --> 00:27:18.135 which the Chinese government says is in 561 00:27:18.136 --> 00:27:20.946 the name of vocational training centers 562 00:27:20.946 --> 00:27:24.222 which are set up to curb terrorism, 563 00:27:24.225 --> 00:27:26.225 separatism, and religious radicalism. 564 00:27:26.225 --> 00:27:28.225 Like that excuses it. 565 00:27:28.225 --> 00:27:33.789 But you know, I just wanted you to -- make 566 00:27:33.790 --> 00:27:39.013 you aware of this if you weren't already, 567 00:27:39.016 --> 00:27:44.240 because it is a huge problem in the 568 00:27:44.241 --> 00:27:46.241 textile world. 569 00:27:46.241 --> 00:27:48.241 So most indentured work has reportedly 570 00:27:48.269 --> 00:27:51.356 been found in Asia, Africa, and Latin 571 00:27:51.357 --> 00:27:54.885 America, but we know that it happens in 572 00:27:54.886 --> 00:27:56.886 the USA too. 573 00:27:56.886 --> 00:27:58.897 There's at least 75 countries that have 574 00:27:58.897 --> 00:28:01.201 been identified as nations where forced 575 00:28:01.201 --> 00:28:03.201 labor exists. 576 00:28:03.201 --> 00:28:05.201 Customs actually has a forced labor 577 00:28:05.201 --> 00:28:07.745 division now and there's lots of info on 578 00:28:07.745 --> 00:28:09.745 our web page. 579 00:28:09.745 --> 00:28:11.745 My attention here is just to mention this 580 00:28:11.745 --> 00:28:13.745 topic as I am not an expert. 581 00:28:13.745 --> 00:28:15.745 But forced labor is being broad into the 582 00:28:15.745 --> 00:28:18.072 light on the global stage in terms of 583 00:28:18.072 --> 00:28:20.920 apparel imports, and that's the only way 584 00:28:20.920 --> 00:28:23.769 abuses can be eliminated is if someone 585 00:28:23.770 --> 00:28:26.210 takes the risk to expose them. 586 00:28:26.210 --> 00:28:29.834 The policy of don't ask don't tell in 587 00:28:29.837 --> 00:28:32.555 apparel imports just doesn't cut it 588 00:28:32.558 --> 00:28:34.558 anymore. 589 00:28:34.558 --> 00:28:36.558 Importers don't honestly evaluate the 590 00:28:36.558 --> 00:28:39.336 potential for human rights abuses at the 591 00:28:39.336 --> 00:28:41.336 factories that they're working with from 592 00:28:41.336 --> 00:28:43.336 the beginning, they expose their imports 593 00:28:43.336 --> 00:28:45.336 to detentions, lengthy origin 594 00:28:45.336 --> 00:28:47.336 verifications, and the possibility of 595 00:28:47.336 --> 00:28:49.336 exclusion of their goods from the commerce 596 00:28:49.336 --> 00:28:51.666 of the U.S. and penalties and more. 597 00:28:51.666 --> 00:28:54.798 Not to mention that it is just not right 598 00:28:54.802 --> 00:28:57.586 or ethical to profit off of someone else's 599 00:28:57.590 --> 00:28:59.590 misery. 600 00:28:59.590 --> 00:29:02.515 And then my thought, it pays to send your 601 00:29:02.515 --> 00:29:04.515 own people to visit the factory. There's 602 00:29:04.515 --> 00:29:06.515 all kinds of layers and industries that 603 00:29:06.515 --> 00:29:08.515 have cropped up, you know, to kind of look 604 00:29:08.515 --> 00:29:10.773 at the supply chain and forced labor and 605 00:29:10.946 --> 00:29:12.946 et cetera. 606 00:29:12.946 --> 00:29:14.946 But it all begins on -- 607 00:29:14.946 --> 00:29:17.016 it begins in the factory. 608 00:29:17.016 --> 00:29:19.524 So some thoughts that I had, just, you 609 00:29:19.528 --> 00:29:22.719 know, my experience through the years, was 610 00:29:22.724 --> 00:29:26.828 some risks or red flags that I thought of 611 00:29:26.832 --> 00:29:30.480 were that -- and the picture that I have 612 00:29:30.483 --> 00:29:35.043 here is of -- I assume it is of Uygers in 613 00:29:35.048 --> 00:29:38.696 the cotton industry there in the shin Jong 614 00:29:38.699 --> 00:29:40.699 province. 615 00:29:40.699 --> 00:29:42.763 And we know that there are prisons there 616 00:29:43.072 --> 00:29:45.072 where they have workers. 617 00:29:45.072 --> 00:29:47.660 And the point is, you know, prison labor 618 00:29:47.664 --> 00:29:50.100 doesn't necessarily have to be a bad 619 00:29:50.103 --> 00:29:53.235 thing, we use it here in the U.S. People 620 00:29:53.239 --> 00:29:56.023 have jobs in prison and they get paid. 621 00:29:56.026 --> 00:29:58.987 But you have to remember with prison 622 00:29:58.990 --> 00:30:01.528 labor, people can be falsely imprisoned. 623 00:30:01.531 --> 00:30:04.915 They can be thrown in jail because of 624 00:30:04.918 --> 00:30:07.879 their political ideas. They can be thrown 625 00:30:07.882 --> 00:30:10.420 in jail because a reporter's reporting 626 00:30:10.423 --> 00:30:13.384 things that are sensitive. They can be 627 00:30:13.387 --> 00:30:16.348 thrown in jail because of their religious 628 00:30:16.351 --> 00:30:18.351 views. 629 00:30:18.351 --> 00:30:20.899 Just remember that it can be false -- 630 00:30:20.899 --> 00:30:22.899 people can be falsely imprisoned. 631 00:30:22.899 --> 00:30:24.899 And also that, you know, there's a 632 00:30:24.899 --> 00:30:26.899 spotlight on this one region of China 633 00:30:26.899 --> 00:30:28.899 right now where we know these abuses 634 00:30:28.899 --> 00:30:30.899 happen, people have escaped from these 635 00:30:30.899 --> 00:30:32.899 factories and they've told their stories. 636 00:30:32.899 --> 00:30:34.899 But you know, workers can be moved from 637 00:30:34.899 --> 00:30:36.899 known hotspots to other regions of the 638 00:30:36.899 --> 00:30:39.045 country to finish the jobs, you know. 639 00:30:39.220 --> 00:30:42.613 It doesn't mean that just one area is a 640 00:30:42.618 --> 00:30:44.618 problem. 641 00:30:44.618 --> 00:30:46.618 That those people can be moved. 642 00:30:46.618 --> 00:30:50.004 Couple other things that I think are 643 00:30:50.004 --> 00:30:52.254 really important to be aware of in your 644 00:30:52.259 --> 00:30:54.679 reasonable care when you're selecting 645 00:30:54.681 --> 00:30:58.069 factories and, you know, getting ready to 646 00:30:58.072 --> 00:31:01.944 import is that, you know, when you've got 647 00:31:01.947 --> 00:31:04.367 a manufacturer and they're using 648 00:31:04.370 --> 00:31:06.370 subcontractors, that's always risky 649 00:31:06.370 --> 00:31:09.694 because you have to verify that those 650 00:31:09.698 --> 00:31:12.118 subcontractors are actually doing the 651 00:31:12.121 --> 00:31:14.541 production processes that they've been 652 00:31:14.543 --> 00:31:16.543 paid to do. 653 00:31:16.543 --> 00:31:18.950 And are they doing in an environment that 654 00:31:18.950 --> 00:31:20.950 you're condoning and a manner that you 655 00:31:20.950 --> 00:31:22.950 condone. 656 00:31:22.950 --> 00:31:25.108 The other thing is sometimes companies use 657 00:31:25.108 --> 00:31:27.108 other companies to import on their behalf 658 00:31:27.108 --> 00:31:29.108 and think that they can absolve themselves 659 00:31:29.108 --> 00:31:31.541 of the questions or the concerns that you 660 00:31:31.542 --> 00:31:33.759 might have when you're purchasing things 661 00:31:33.759 --> 00:31:35.759 overseas. 662 00:31:35.759 --> 00:31:39.042 But you know, everything is traceable, you 663 00:31:39.042 --> 00:31:41.154 know, between a fiber content label and RN 664 00:31:41.154 --> 00:31:43.965 number, video cameras, cell phones, et 665 00:31:43.967 --> 00:31:46.778 cetera, nobody can hide anymore for -- 666 00:31:46.779 --> 00:31:48.779 for -- or plain ignorance. 667 00:31:52.343 --> 00:31:55.581 The other factor that I think is a real 668 00:31:55.713 --> 00:31:58.705 risk is that a factory has a high 669 00:31:58.709 --> 00:32:00.953 incidents of migrant workers or temporary 670 00:32:00.956 --> 00:32:03.200 workers, because those people can be 671 00:32:03.203 --> 00:32:05.821 easily exploited because some of them are 672 00:32:05.824 --> 00:32:08.442 there because they are not -- they've had 673 00:32:08.445 --> 00:32:10.689 to leave their countries because of 674 00:32:10.692 --> 00:32:12.692 natural disasters and/or political 675 00:32:12.692 --> 00:32:14.806 persecution and they end up in refugee 676 00:32:14.811 --> 00:32:17.803 camps and they have to do whatever they 677 00:32:17.807 --> 00:32:19.807 have to do to survive. 678 00:32:19.997 --> 00:32:22.405 So I'll get off my soapbox here for a 679 00:32:22.531 --> 00:32:24.531 moment. 680 00:32:24.531 --> 00:32:27.929 It's not really a soapbox, it's a priority 681 00:32:27.929 --> 00:32:29.929 for customs, honestly. 682 00:32:29.929 --> 00:32:31.929 CBP has identified either forced labor or 683 00:32:31.929 --> 00:32:33.929 child labor in the above products and 684 00:32:33.929 --> 00:32:35.929 countries, and this is not a very fancy 685 00:32:35.929 --> 00:32:38.388 slide, but I just wanted to point out that 686 00:32:38.390 --> 00:32:41.198 on our website there are links to other 687 00:32:41.200 --> 00:32:44.008 materials and one of the things was, you 688 00:32:44.010 --> 00:32:46.818 know, the Department of Labor has some of 689 00:32:46.820 --> 00:32:48.820 this information as well. 690 00:32:48.820 --> 00:32:53.885 So you need to do your due diligence if 691 00:32:53.888 --> 00:32:57.662 importing, you know, cotton or importing 692 00:32:57.663 --> 00:33:01.437 garments or underwear made either cotton 693 00:33:01.438 --> 00:33:07.099 or from any of the countries where we know 694 00:33:07.101 --> 00:33:09.617 garments are being made. 695 00:33:09.618 --> 00:33:13.371 And one last thing, I just wanted to bring 696 00:33:13.372 --> 00:33:16.291 up some other things that are possible 697 00:33:16.292 --> 00:33:19.211 indicators that forced labor could be a 698 00:33:19.212 --> 00:33:21.212 factor in the factory. 699 00:33:21.212 --> 00:33:23.616 And that is if you're dealing with people 700 00:33:23.616 --> 00:33:26.343 that are deceptive in one way or another, 701 00:33:26.346 --> 00:33:28.346 that's a red flag. 702 00:33:28.346 --> 00:33:31.607 If you hear rumors of workers having their 703 00:33:31.612 --> 00:33:34.047 movement restricted or they're being 704 00:33:34.049 --> 00:33:36.971 isolated or there's chatter about physical 705 00:33:36.973 --> 00:33:40.382 or sexual violence, most of the factory 706 00:33:40.385 --> 00:33:43.794 workers in the world that are making 707 00:33:43.797 --> 00:33:46.719 garments in sewing factories are women. 708 00:33:46.721 --> 00:33:49.689 Some of them there are because they don't 709 00:33:49.689 --> 00:33:52.280 have a choice but to be there. 710 00:33:52.284 --> 00:33:55.320 And they can be subjected to intimidation 711 00:33:55.323 --> 00:33:58.795 and threats in some of the cultures where, 712 00:33:58.800 --> 00:34:01.404 you know, it's maybe a male-dominated 713 00:34:01.407 --> 00:34:03.407 society. 714 00:34:03.407 --> 00:34:06.487 If there's talk of retention of identity 715 00:34:06.487 --> 00:34:08.487 documents for workers, that's a red flag. 716 00:34:08.487 --> 00:34:10.717 Any withholding of wages, debt bondage, 717 00:34:11.208 --> 00:34:14.953 people being in the factories having to 718 00:34:14.953 --> 00:34:18.163 pay bosses back for various things. 719 00:34:18.164 --> 00:34:20.374 Abusive working and living conditions. 720 00:34:20.374 --> 00:34:22.374 Excessive overtime. 721 00:34:22.374 --> 00:34:25.132 On the topic of abusive working and living 722 00:34:25.136 --> 00:34:27.964 conditions, you know, I saw a documentary 723 00:34:27.966 --> 00:34:31.602 ten years ago and it was about workers in 724 00:34:31.605 --> 00:34:34.837 China who were migrating to the cities to 725 00:34:34.839 --> 00:34:37.667 work in the apparel factories because, you 726 00:34:37.669 --> 00:34:40.497 know, they could make more money doing 727 00:34:40.500 --> 00:34:42.500 that. 728 00:34:42.500 --> 00:34:44.940 And they would have to leave behind their 729 00:34:44.940 --> 00:34:46.940 children and their parents and the rest of 730 00:34:46.940 --> 00:34:48.940 their family to go off and work in these 731 00:34:48.940 --> 00:34:50.940 factories. 732 00:34:50.940 --> 00:34:52.950 And they would live in the factories as 733 00:34:52.950 --> 00:34:54.950 well. 734 00:34:54.950 --> 00:34:56.950 And of course they're living conditions 735 00:34:56.950 --> 00:34:58.950 weren't ideal. 736 00:34:58.950 --> 00:35:00.950 There were little cots with, you know, a 737 00:35:00.950 --> 00:35:02.950 bucket to wash your clothes and, you know, 738 00:35:02.950 --> 00:35:04.950 12-hour workdays, whatever they were doing 739 00:35:04.950 --> 00:35:06.950 to survive. 740 00:35:06.950 --> 00:35:08.950 And these people would come home at 741 00:35:08.950 --> 00:35:10.950 Chinese new year for a couple weeks to 742 00:35:10.950 --> 00:35:12.950 visit their families and the documentary 743 00:35:12.950 --> 00:35:14.950 was fascinating. 744 00:35:14.950 --> 00:35:16.950 And I went to go find a picture of people 745 00:35:16.950 --> 00:35:18.950 living in apparel factories, and I 746 00:35:18.950 --> 00:35:20.950 couldn't -- I scoured the Internet and 747 00:35:20.950 --> 00:35:22.950 couldn't find one. 748 00:35:22.950 --> 00:35:24.950 But I'm telling you that doesn't mean it 749 00:35:24.950 --> 00:35:26.950 doesn't exist because you can't see a 750 00:35:26.950 --> 00:35:28.950 picture of it on the Internet. 751 00:35:28.950 --> 00:35:30.950 It absolutely does, and I'm sure it does 752 00:35:30.950 --> 00:35:32.950 to this day. 753 00:35:32.950 --> 00:35:34.950 And one last thing that I wanted to bring 754 00:35:34.950 --> 00:35:38.951 up about force forced labor, this is the 755 00:35:39.286 --> 00:35:43.367 aftermath of deadly fires that happened in 756 00:35:43.367 --> 00:35:45.699 Bangladesh garment factories which 757 00:35:45.699 --> 00:35:48.031 happened back in 2012. 758 00:35:48.031 --> 00:35:50.783 There were two fires in three days that 759 00:35:50.783 --> 00:35:52.783 killed over a hundred people. 760 00:35:52.783 --> 00:35:56.843 And they say this spotlights poor working 761 00:35:56.843 --> 00:35:58.843 conditions. 762 00:35:58.843 --> 00:36:01.724 Well, I happened to visit Bangladesh and 763 00:36:01.724 --> 00:36:03.724 some garment factories there, frankly -- 764 00:36:03.724 --> 00:36:06.142 so I kind of followed the story. It was 765 00:36:06.145 --> 00:36:09.036 alleged that during both fires the main 766 00:36:09.039 --> 00:36:12.343 doors to the factories were reported to be 767 00:36:12.346 --> 00:36:14.346 padlocked blocking easy escape. 768 00:36:14.346 --> 00:36:16.894 Well this factory, and my thought is even 769 00:36:16.953 --> 00:36:19.122 worse than poor working conditions, it 770 00:36:19.123 --> 00:36:21.292 could have actually meant that workers 771 00:36:21.294 --> 00:36:23.466 were locked in and enslaved there. 772 00:36:23.466 --> 00:36:26.039 Now that's just total speculation on my 773 00:36:26.040 --> 00:36:28.615 part, but it's just something, you know, 774 00:36:28.618 --> 00:36:31.194 that you have to be aware of. 775 00:36:31.195 --> 00:36:35.662 This is reality. 776 00:36:35.662 --> 00:36:38.557 So, this concludes my webinar. 777 00:36:38.559 --> 00:36:41.940 I have tried to incorporate not only 778 00:36:41.940 --> 00:36:44.838 classification, but some health and safety 779 00:36:44.839 --> 00:36:47.737 and some admissibility concerns into this 780 00:36:47.737 --> 00:36:52.084 talk today and I hope, you know, it was 781 00:36:52.085 --> 00:36:54.085 enlightening for you. 782 00:36:54.085 --> 00:36:56.738 I'm going to leave this slide up for our 783 00:36:56.738 --> 00:36:59.220 contact info and the link for the 784 00:36:59.224 --> 00:37:01.712 educational credit for those of you that 785 00:37:01.713 --> 00:37:04.205 are using that. If there are any 786 00:37:04.205 --> 00:37:07.045 questions, we can take them in the chat 787 00:37:07.048 --> 00:37:09.536 box now until our hour is up. 788 00:37:09.538 --> 00:37:14.504 So I'm going to look for my colleagues to 789 00:37:14.504 --> 00:37:17.800 assist me with that chat box. 790 00:37:17.810 --> 00:37:20.996 >> We can read a few questions to you. 791 00:37:20.997 --> 00:37:24.341 >> Okay, let's see if I can make my box a 792 00:37:24.341 --> 00:37:26.760 little bigger so I can read along with 793 00:37:26.764 --> 00:37:28.763 you. 794 00:37:28.763 --> 00:37:31.201 >> Okay, so the first question [audio 795 00:37:31.201 --> 00:37:33.201 echoing] can you hear me okay? 796 00:37:33.201 --> 00:37:35.201 >> Yes, I can. 797 00:37:35.201 --> 00:37:38.496 >> Is there a certain [audio echoing]. 798 00:37:40.097 --> 00:37:42.969 >> That is a fabulous question, and I 799 00:37:42.971 --> 00:37:45.843 asked it when I first became a national 800 00:37:45.845 --> 00:37:47.999 import specialist, because I kind of 801 00:37:48.000 --> 00:37:50.154 always thought that spandex could mean 802 00:37:50.156 --> 00:37:52.310 that it could compress the body. 803 00:37:52.311 --> 00:37:56.476 But that isn't necessarily so. 804 00:37:56.476 --> 00:37:59.123 A lot of times how your fabric is 805 00:37:59.123 --> 00:38:01.123 constructed will make a big difference. 806 00:38:01.123 --> 00:38:04.300 And I think the one example that I talked 807 00:38:04.311 --> 00:38:07.514 about was it was a pair of men's knit 808 00:38:07.518 --> 00:38:10.366 boxer briefs and it had a fairly high 809 00:38:10.370 --> 00:38:12.862 spandex content which was about 15% or 810 00:38:12.864 --> 00:38:15.712 16%, which could mean it could be pretty 811 00:38:15.716 --> 00:38:17.716 tight. 812 00:38:17.716 --> 00:38:21.092 But it all depends on the actual garment. 813 00:38:21.092 --> 00:38:23.092 So you have to examine the fabric, the 814 00:38:23.092 --> 00:38:25.092 fit, the construction. 815 00:38:25.092 --> 00:38:27.092 Because I have seen some that, you know, 816 00:38:27.092 --> 00:38:29.092 they have that kind of maybe 15% spandex 817 00:38:29.092 --> 00:38:31.098 and because of the way the fabric is 818 00:38:31.519 --> 00:38:33.655 constructed, it's not tight fitting at 819 00:38:33.655 --> 00:38:35.655 all. 820 00:38:35.655 --> 00:38:38.791 And that was the case for the one pair of 821 00:38:38.791 --> 00:38:42.603 briefs that we covered that ended up in 822 00:38:42.608 --> 00:38:45.472 6107. It was a soft mesh. 823 00:38:45.475 --> 00:38:47.845 It really wasn't tight. 824 00:38:47.846 --> 00:38:50.192 So what else do we have? 825 00:38:50.192 --> 00:38:53.465 >> And I asked the question, do you want 826 00:38:53.465 --> 00:38:56.368 to put yourself on mute for a second? 827 00:38:56.374 --> 00:38:58.374 >> Me? 828 00:38:58.374 --> 00:39:00.374 >> Yeah, I'm sorry. 829 00:39:00.374 --> 00:39:02.374 >> Oh, yeah, sorry. 830 00:39:02.374 --> 00:39:04.374 I can do that. 831 00:39:04.374 --> 00:39:06.552 >> Just for a second. You can put yourself 832 00:39:06.552 --> 00:39:08.552 on mute. 833 00:39:08.552 --> 00:39:10.552 >> Yeah, sure. 834 00:39:10.552 --> 00:39:12.552 >> Thank you, Karen. 835 00:39:12.552 --> 00:39:14.552 [Audio echoing] still sounding bad. 836 00:39:14.552 --> 00:39:16.552 Okay. 837 00:39:16.552 --> 00:39:18.552 I will read the next question. 838 00:39:18.552 --> 00:39:20.552 [Audio echoing]. 839 00:39:20.552 --> 00:39:24.205 >> I did not handle cotton fiber as a 840 00:39:24.246 --> 00:39:26.736 national import specialist, so I will 841 00:39:26.736 --> 00:39:29.226 defer that question to a colleague. 842 00:39:29.226 --> 00:39:35.508 I think that is my colleague and I ask 843 00:39:35.511 --> 00:39:37.511 Christine Dodge. 844 00:39:37.511 --> 00:39:41.947 But we can go through -- you can send me 845 00:39:41.951 --> 00:39:46.431 an email directly and I can send the 846 00:39:46.434 --> 00:39:48.434 question to her. 847 00:39:48.434 --> 00:39:50.674 Or we do look at the entire chat and we 848 00:39:50.687 --> 00:39:53.243 can get back to you if you like in that 849 00:39:53.244 --> 00:39:55.246 way. 850 00:39:55.246 --> 00:39:58.868 >> The next question in the chat as well. 851 00:39:58.869 --> 00:40:01.604 It -- is high vibration better? 852 00:40:03.501 --> 00:40:07.029 >> So they say. 853 00:40:07.030 --> 00:40:09.030 >> Okay. 854 00:40:09.030 --> 00:40:13.468 So when you were talking on Slide 20 about 855 00:40:13.468 --> 00:40:16.764 the environmental [audio echoing] in 856 00:40:16.766 --> 00:40:19.404 California, since the environmental 857 00:40:19.406 --> 00:40:23.366 health, the question was is consumer 858 00:40:23.366 --> 00:40:26.004 product safety [audio echoing]? 859 00:40:26.004 --> 00:40:28.340 >> I don't know the answer to that 860 00:40:28.340 --> 00:40:30.340 question, but that's a wonderful question 861 00:40:30.340 --> 00:40:32.716 as well. And that's one of the things I 862 00:40:32.718 --> 00:40:35.054 think I forgot to mention, it was probably 863 00:40:35.054 --> 00:40:37.679 on my slide that I kind of see this -- 864 00:40:37.680 --> 00:40:40.015 that there's going to be a trend, you 865 00:40:40.015 --> 00:40:42.351 know, as we continue to green our world 866 00:40:42.351 --> 00:40:44.351 that, you know, regulatory agencies going 867 00:40:44.351 --> 00:40:46.437 to have to get involved in these things. 868 00:40:46.846 --> 00:40:49.614 I was really quite shocked when I just 869 00:40:49.614 --> 00:40:51.614 stumbled upon those articles about 870 00:40:51.614 --> 00:40:54.098 chemicals in clothing. I knew about it and 871 00:40:54.104 --> 00:40:57.218 I kind of knew about manmade fiber, but I 872 00:40:57.219 --> 00:40:59.979 was really not aware that there had been 873 00:40:59.979 --> 00:41:02.739 lawsuits and that, you know, there was so 874 00:41:02.744 --> 00:41:04.744 much media attention on that. 875 00:41:04.744 --> 00:41:13.005 So I think that's next. 876 00:41:13.007 --> 00:41:28.536 >> I don't see any more questions. 877 00:41:28.538 --> 00:41:30.538 >> Karen. 878 00:41:30.538 --> 00:41:32.538 >> What was that, Sandra? 879 00:41:32.538 --> 00:41:34.538 >> There's one more in the chat right now. 880 00:41:34.538 --> 00:41:38.882 Can you read that out and then answer it? 881 00:41:38.886 --> 00:41:42.686 What are some differentiators between 882 00:41:42.686 --> 00:41:47.238 women's underwear garments in 6109 versus 883 00:41:47.241 --> 00:41:49.241 6212, 6108? 884 00:41:49.241 --> 00:41:51.489 >> I've done a couple different webinars 885 00:41:51.492 --> 00:41:54.222 on upper body garments, but quickly, you 886 00:41:54.223 --> 00:41:57.343 know, really the big thing you have to 887 00:41:57.345 --> 00:42:00.855 remember is that bras go in 6212 and we 888 00:42:00.856 --> 00:42:03.976 kind of think of them as underwear, but 889 00:42:03.977 --> 00:42:07.097 they belong in heading 6212 as a body 890 00:42:07.099 --> 00:42:09.099 supporting garment. 891 00:42:09.099 --> 00:42:11.569 But the only reason a garment is going to 892 00:42:11.569 --> 00:42:14.839 go into 6212 that's like an underwear type 893 00:42:14.843 --> 00:42:18.939 of thing would be is if the support is the 894 00:42:18.939 --> 00:42:21.808 primary feature of the gar garment. And 895 00:42:21.810 --> 00:42:25.084 that support has to be so significant that 896 00:42:25.084 --> 00:42:27.537 it can't compete with something else. 897 00:42:27.543 --> 00:42:30.250 Like we've had support camisoles which you 898 00:42:30.250 --> 00:42:33.731 can wear them out in public, they have a 899 00:42:33.732 --> 00:42:36.826 built-in bra and you wear them as an 900 00:42:36.827 --> 00:42:38.827 undergarment, an outerwear garment, you 901 00:42:38.827 --> 00:42:41.856 can kind of wear it as a bra. 902 00:42:41.857 --> 00:42:45.705 A lot of them don't end up in 6212, even 903 00:42:45.706 --> 00:42:48.016 though they call them support camisoles 904 00:42:48.017 --> 00:42:50.327 because they have other competing uses 905 00:42:50.327 --> 00:42:53.022 like outerwear is just as significant as 906 00:42:53.023 --> 00:42:55.023 this little bra that's inside. 907 00:42:55.023 --> 00:43:01.508 So that's kind of like the general rule. 908 00:43:01.511 --> 00:43:16.911 >> Okay. [Audio echoing]. 909 00:43:16.911 --> 00:43:22.317 Just one more question. 910 00:43:22.317 --> 00:43:24.317 >> One more question? 911 00:43:24.317 --> 00:43:26.317 The one about -- 912 00:43:26.317 --> 00:43:29.065 >> No, Slide 27. 913 00:43:29.065 --> 00:43:31.065 >> What? 914 00:43:31.065 --> 00:43:33.065 Someone just wanted to see it? 915 00:43:33.065 --> 00:43:35.065 >> Yes. 916 00:43:35.065 --> 00:43:37.946 >> Okay. 917 00:43:37.947 --> 00:43:39.947 >> I think you need to go one more slide. 918 00:43:39.947 --> 00:43:41.947 This is 28. 919 00:43:41.947 --> 00:43:57.196 >> Oh, I'm sorry. 920 00:43:57.198 --> 00:44:00.123 >> Okay, if you can see the chat box, 921 00:44:00.123 --> 00:44:02.386 Karen, there's a question in there that 922 00:44:02.393 --> 00:44:05.635 just came in. If you want to read it out. 923 00:44:05.637 --> 00:44:07.637 >> Okay, sure. 924 00:44:07.637 --> 00:44:10.122 I do see one, I'm not sure where it just 925 00:44:10.123 --> 00:44:13.210 came in. I do see one that I didn't 926 00:44:13.211 --> 00:44:15.955 answer. And that is, what is CBP doing 927 00:44:15.955 --> 00:44:18.013 about forced labor other than educating 928 00:44:18.013 --> 00:44:20.013 importers? 929 00:44:20.013 --> 00:44:22.593 Are there any investigations and monetary 930 00:44:22.593 --> 00:44:24.593 punishments if found? 931 00:44:24.593 --> 00:44:26.593 Absolutely, I am not a forced labor 932 00:44:26.593 --> 00:44:28.593 expert, I've just had a little exposure to 933 00:44:28.593 --> 00:44:30.946 it and absolutely, we've set up an entire 934 00:44:30.949 --> 00:44:32.949 division to focus on it. 935 00:44:32.949 --> 00:44:38.388 And of course the criminal investigators 936 00:44:38.388 --> 00:44:44.855 that work for the Department of Homeland 937 00:44:44.855 --> 00:44:48.550 Security, the immigration, customs 938 00:44:48.550 --> 00:44:53.170 enforcement agents are actively involved 939 00:44:53.170 --> 00:44:57.788 in cases regarding forced labor. 940 00:44:57.789 --> 00:45:00.519 >> If you see that one in the chat, you 941 00:45:00.519 --> 00:45:02.700 can read that one and then answer [audio 942 00:45:02.702 --> 00:45:04.701 echoing]. 943 00:45:04.701 --> 00:45:07.670 >> Sure, let me know if I start to get too 944 00:45:07.670 --> 00:45:09.670 close to time. 945 00:45:09.670 --> 00:45:11.670 I see one here, it says what about spandex 946 00:45:11.670 --> 00:45:13.670 shape wear dresses? If the fabric fit and 947 00:45:13.670 --> 00:45:15.977 construction is for shaping would it be 948 00:45:15.979 --> 00:45:19.058 classified as a dress or 6212? It's hard 949 00:45:19.060 --> 00:45:22.517 to say, but I talked about that in some 950 00:45:22.517 --> 00:45:24.818 other presentations, and again, you have 951 00:45:24.824 --> 00:45:27.516 that spandex, we don't know exactly how 952 00:45:27.516 --> 00:45:29.516 much spandex there is. 953 00:45:29.516 --> 00:45:31.516 We don't know how tight it is. 954 00:45:31.516 --> 00:45:34.134 We don't know how supportive the garment 955 00:45:34.134 --> 00:45:36.134 is throughout. 956 00:45:36.134 --> 00:45:38.134 When you talk about, you know, a woman's 957 00:45:38.134 --> 00:45:40.385 girdle that is extremely tight, it's 958 00:45:40.386 --> 00:45:42.386 extremely supportive throughout, it's 959 00:45:42.386 --> 00:45:44.436 meant -- you know, for shaping. 960 00:45:45.697 --> 00:45:48.553 Whereas, a dress is something you're going 961 00:45:48.556 --> 00:45:51.412 to wear out in public, it's conventional 962 00:45:51.415 --> 00:45:53.863 attire, obviously the dress function is 963 00:45:53.866 --> 00:45:56.722 going to compete with the shaping function 964 00:45:56.724 --> 00:45:59.988 and it's more than likely that it would 965 00:45:59.992 --> 00:46:02.032 remain a dress, I think. 966 00:46:02.034 --> 00:46:05.498 But of course, you know, you can always 967 00:46:05.498 --> 00:46:09.384 ask for a ruling and supply all of your 968 00:46:09.388 --> 00:46:12.416 information and we can give you an 969 00:46:12.417 --> 00:46:14.417 opinion. 970 00:46:14.417 --> 00:46:16.424 I've asked a question twice now that's not 971 00:46:16.427 --> 00:46:18.427 been answered. 972 00:46:18.427 --> 00:46:20.427 Please advise if forced labor protection 973 00:46:20.427 --> 00:46:22.427 act primarily concerned with garments or 974 00:46:22.427 --> 00:46:24.744 is there a planned expansion to cover 975 00:46:24.744 --> 00:46:26.744 other commodities that use forced labor? 976 00:46:26.744 --> 00:46:28.744 It's all kinds of commodities. 977 00:46:28.744 --> 00:46:30.744 If you take a look at our website, 978 00:46:30.744 --> 00:46:32.990 www.cbp.gov, there's an entire section on 979 00:46:33.080 --> 00:46:35.080 forced labor. 980 00:46:35.080 --> 00:46:37.640 And I was very impressed with the 981 00:46:37.643 --> 00:46:40.859 information that is there, the information 982 00:46:40.861 --> 00:46:45.685 that I brought up about how you can figure 983 00:46:45.689 --> 00:46:49.441 out, you know, what countries and what 984 00:46:49.444 --> 00:46:52.660 products are, you know, currently under 985 00:46:52.663 --> 00:46:54.663 threat. 986 00:46:54.663 --> 00:46:56.699 You know, one of the things that I had a 987 00:46:56.701 --> 00:46:59.501 slide picture in my beginning was of a 988 00:46:59.503 --> 00:47:01.503 child -- 989 00:47:01.503 --> 00:47:03.884 child labor in the brick industry. 990 00:47:03.884 --> 00:47:06.483 Which I guess that's a big deal. There's a 991 00:47:06.483 --> 00:47:10.042 lot of child labor brick making, and there 992 00:47:10.042 --> 00:47:12.042 are concerns about that. 993 00:47:12.042 --> 00:47:14.042 Let's see. 994 00:47:14.042 --> 00:47:16.756 Okay, here's another one. 995 00:47:16.756 --> 00:47:18.992 With those supportive tanks go to 6114 as 996 00:47:20.515 --> 00:47:23.815 in the Victoria Secret case? 997 00:47:23.815 --> 00:47:26.223 That is something that we deal with all 998 00:47:26.226 --> 00:47:28.226 the time. 999 00:47:28.226 --> 00:47:30.625 You have to look at the actual garment. 1000 00:47:30.625 --> 00:47:32.625 You have to look at, you know, its 1001 00:47:32.625 --> 00:47:34.625 features, you have to look at its 1002 00:47:34.625 --> 00:47:36.625 construction, its fit. 1003 00:47:36.625 --> 00:47:38.966 You really can't tell -- I can't give you 1004 00:47:39.707 --> 00:47:44.587 like a general answer, it just depends on 1005 00:47:44.590 --> 00:47:48.250 the individual garment and how it's 1006 00:47:48.252 --> 00:47:50.692 marketed, designed, sold, warn,warn, -- 1007 00:47:50.693 --> 00:47:52.693 worn, et cetera. 1008 00:47:53.130 --> 00:47:55.130 Oh, I see someone said I had an echo. 1009 00:47:55.263 --> 00:48:10.549 I'm not sure -- let's see. 1010 00:48:12.885 --> 00:48:17.694 Okay, I don't see any other questions, 1011 00:48:17.697 --> 00:48:22.506 unless somebody wants to bring up a 1012 00:48:22.509 --> 00:48:24.509 pressing issue. 1013 00:48:24.509 --> 00:48:27.327 I think that that's probably it. 1014 00:48:27.330 --> 00:48:31.530 So I will end my recording and I will turn 1015 00:48:31.530 --> 00:48:35.310 this back over to the host and like I 1016 00:48:35.310 --> 00:48:38.667 said, feel free to contact me or my 1017 00:48:38.669 --> 00:48:41.188 associate Lisa Anschlowar, which I forgot 1018 00:48:41.188 --> 00:48:43.188 to mention earlier. 1019 00:48:43.188 --> 00:48:45.278 You can send an email to both of us, that 1020 00:48:45.278 --> 00:48:47.824 way if I'm out Lisa can get involved as 1021 00:48:47.824 --> 00:48:49.823 well. 1022 00:48:49.823 --> 00:48:55.774 So thank you for your time and have a good 1023 00:48:55.774 --> 00:48:57.774 afternoon. 1024 00:48:57.774 --> 00:48:59.774 Thank you. 1025 00:48:59.774 --> 00:49:02.682 >> This concludes our webinar for this 1026 00:49:02.682 --> 00:49:04.682 afternoon. 1027 00:49:04.682 --> 00:49:06.682 This is a reminder that this webinar will 1028 00:49:06.682 --> 00:49:08.682 be posted on the CBP website. 1029 00:49:08.682 --> 00:49:10.682 Thank you for joining us and enjoy the 1030 00:49:10.682 --> 00:49:12.682 rest of your day.